Quinn Insurance in Administration

[five points]

-She has had it substantiated that the son of the paymaster recently admonished McGuinness in a pub that he wasn't doing enough "what are we paying you for?"

Does anyone else think that the secretive paymaster had his son walk into a pub and "admonish" this dangerous thug in public. I dont know, this sounds like more crap to me.

The story as written is a lot different than that. It alleges that the son of the paymaster was drunk and got abusive towards McGuinness.

The character whom this is commonly believed to be has previous form in the drunk and disorderly department.

[GetOverTheBar]

Nicola Tallant of the Sunday World was on Dunphy's podcast (she's often on talking about the Kinahans and is a great listen).

Some of the main points she made on the podcast were:

-It's been long known that Cyril McGuinness / Dublin Jimmy was the orchestrator of the attacks on "Quinn" businesses
-He was in jail in Siberia for a time and claims he had to eat rats to survive. He lost most of his teeth during his incarceration!
-He was the person called "Boss" when the Lunney attackers made a phonecall during the attack
-There are rumours that he was tout for either the gardai or psni (as a possible explanation as to why it took so long for him to be lifted). She said she knows for a fact he wasn't a tout for the gardai and she said it would be highly highly unlikely he worked for the psni. He was provo/dissident to the core and wouldn't have jeopardised that.
-She has had it substantiated that the son of the paymaster recently admonished McGuinness in a pub that he wasn't doing enough "what are we paying you for?"
-The police have CCTV of a suspect in the Lunney attack buying bleach.
-A big part of the reason for the multiple raids, including the Derby raid, was to collect phones so they can triangulate movements
-She doubts there's much on any laptop recovered in Derby     

When I watched spotlight show the first thought in my head was some junior officer is going to be going through hours of footage. Can't believe someone would be so stupid as to do this though - Lunny is a very smart man, if he's even said they were gone for an hour that instantly narrows down the amount of places it could be either side of the border. I refuse to believe someone doing a crime like this could be so stupid?

[LeoMc]

Nicola Tallant of the Sunday World was on Dunphy's podcast (she's often on talking about the Kinahans and is a great listen).

Some of the main points she made on the podcast were:

-It's been long known that Cyril McGuinness / Dublin Jimmy was the orchestrator of the attacks on "Quinn" businesses
-He was in jail in Siberia for a time and claims he had to eat rats to survive. He lost most of his teeth during his incarceration!
-He was the person called "Boss" when the Lunney attackers made a phonecall during the attack
-There are rumours that he was tout for either the gardai or psni (as a possible explanation as to why it took so long for him to be lifted). She said she knows for a fact he wasn't a tout for the gardai and she said it would be highly highly unlikely he worked for the psni. He was provo/dissident to the core and wouldn't have jeopardised that.
-She has had it substantiated that the son of the paymaster recently admonished McGuinness in a pub that he wasn't doing enough "what are we paying you for?"
-The police have CCTV of a suspect in the Lunney attack buying bleach.
-A big part of the reason for the multiple raids, including the Derby raid, was to collect phones so they can triangulate movements
-She doubts there's much on any laptop recovered in Derby     

When I watched spotlight show the first thought in my head was some junior officer is going to be going through hours of footage. Can't believe someone would be so stupid as to do this though - Lunny is a very smart man, if he's even said they were gone for an hour that instantly narrows down the amount of places it could be either side of the border. I refuse to believe someone doing a crime like this could be so stupid?

Stupid enough to not bring the bleach in the first place?

[LeoMc]

The bottom line is I personally wouldn't believe a single word that comes out of a Sunday World journalists mouth. There is a truth out there and there are no doubt bits of the truth in what we are hearing but these "journalists" have to make it sound like they have some inside track and know the whole truth and although they'd love to tell us all they simply cant for legal reasons.

Just to pick out a couple of your points without making the thread excessively long.

Its long known yet the attacks have been going on for 5/6 years and no one has been arrested and the man that it is well known to be orchestrating is living his normal life south of the border in Cavan.

Knowing something and then printing it is different from having sufficient evidence to prosecute.


I was wondering how long it would take the media to come out with this one, he worked for the Gardai but not the PSNI as the CIRA wouldnt like that but they'd be ok with the Gardai. Such a load of bollix. Did she really say something that stupid.

She actually said the opposite. She was refuting the rumour he was working for the Gardai.

Yes, thats been known for weeks in Cavan anyway. Bought in Mullahoran I believe. Yet I dont think bleach buying is a crime yet.
No-one is saying it is a crime but if the Gardai know one of the thugs bought bleach within a certain area and time-frame and they have vidoe of a known accomplice of Cyril doing just that then it is circumstantial eviddence to point them in the correct direction.


How would she know either way
Perhaps an educated guess. Based on the fact the Gardai have been unable to charge him for lack of evidence it would suggest he doesnt leave much incriminating information written down anywhere

[GetOverTheBar]

Nicola Tallant of the Sunday World was on Dunphy's podcast (she's often on talking about the Kinahans and is a great listen).

Some of the main points she made on the podcast were:

-It's been long known that Cyril McGuinness / Dublin Jimmy was the orchestrator of the attacks on "Quinn" businesses
-He was in jail in Siberia for a time and claims he had to eat rats to survive. He lost most of his teeth during his incarceration!
-He was the person called "Boss" when the Lunney attackers made a phonecall during the attack
-There are rumours that he was tout for either the gardai or psni (as a possible explanation as to why it took so long for him to be lifted). She said she knows for a fact he wasn't a tout for the gardai and she said it would be highly highly unlikely he worked for the psni. He was provo/dissident to the core and wouldn't have jeopardised that.
-She has had it substantiated that the son of the paymaster recently admonished McGuinness in a pub that he wasn't doing enough "what are we paying you for?"
-The police have CCTV of a suspect in the Lunney attack buying bleach.
-A big part of the reason for the multiple raids, including the Derby raid, was to collect phones so they can triangulate movements
-She doubts there's much on any laptop recovered in Derby     

When I watched spotlight show the first thought in my head was some junior officer is going to be going through hours of footage. Can't believe someone would be so stupid as to do this though - Lunny is a very smart man, if he's even said they were gone for an hour that instantly narrows down the amount of places it could be either side of the border. I refuse to believe someone doing a crime like this could be so stupid?

Stupid enough to not bring the bleach in the first place?

It appears you may have won this duel 

[mouview]

This paymaster thing is getting out of hand now....Lets just call him Zean Kuinn.

Seyser Koze?

[Keyser soze]

This paymaster thing is getting out of hand now....Lets just call him Zean Kuinn.

Seyser Koze?

You looking a hidin son??

[Armamike]

This paymaster thing is getting out of hand now....Lets just call him Zean Kuinn.

Or Keyzer Soze.

[GetOverTheBar]

This paymaster thing is getting out of hand now....Lets just call him Zean Kuinn.

Seyser Koze?

You looking a hidin son??

 

[Shamrock Shore]

If there was a march tomorrow for Aul Quinn would you see the likes of Mickey Harte, Fr. Brian Trendy, Colm O'Rourke et al attend?

Lots of rumour and nudge nudge wink wink going on but they are pointing in the one direction - if not the tree itself then certainly the fruit.

[Itchy]

The bottom line is I personally wouldn't believe a single word that comes out of a Sunday World journalists mouth. There is a truth out there and there are no doubt bits of the truth in what we are hearing but these "journalists" have to make it sound like they have some inside track and know the whole truth and although they'd love to tell us all they simply cant for legal reasons.

Just to pick out a couple of your points without making the thread excessively long.

Its long known yet the attacks have been going on for 5/6 years and no one has been arrested and the man that it is well known to be orchestrating is living his normal life south of the border in Cavan.

Knowing something and then printing it is different from having sufficient evidence to prosecute.


I was wondering how long it would take the media to come out with this one, he worked for the Gardai but not the PSNI as the CIRA wouldnt like that but they'd be ok with the Gardai. Such a load of bollix. Did she really say something that stupid.

She actually said the opposite. She was refuting the rumour he was working for the Gardai.

Yes, thats been known for weeks in Cavan anyway. Bought in Mullahoran I believe. Yet I dont think bleach buying is a crime yet.
No-one is saying it is a crime but if the Gardai know one of the thugs bought bleach within a certain area and time-frame and they have vidoe of a known accomplice of Cyril doing just that then it is circumstantial eviddence to point them in the correct direction.


How would she know either way
Perhaps an educated guess. Based on the fact the Gardai have been unable to charge him for lack of evidence it would suggest he doesnt leave much incriminating information written down anywhere

An educated guess I am ok with, as long as it is called out as being an educated guess and not being called out as being fact creating the illusion that this journalist has been going around the Cavan/Fermanagh border undercover for 6 years. All any of us can do is an educated guess.

[five points]

If there was a march tomorrow for Aul Quinn would you see the likes of Mickey Harte, Fr. Brian Trendy, Colm O'Rourke et al attend?

No. John Bosco O'Hagan's story suggests why.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/10/28/news/john-bosco-o-hagan-i-wish-i-had-never-tried-to-help-sean-quinn-1748052/

[Hound]

The bottom line is I personally wouldn't believe a single word that comes out of a Sunday World journalists mouth. There is a truth out there and there are no doubt bits of the truth in what we are hearing but these "journalists" have to make it sound like they have some inside track and know the whole truth and although they'd love to tell us all they simply cant for legal reasons.

Just to pick out a couple of your points without making the thread excessively long.

Its long known yet the attacks have been going on for 5/6 years and no one has been arrested and the man that it is well known to be orchestrating is living his normal life south of the border in Cavan.

Knowing something and then printing it is different from having sufficient evidence to prosecute.


I was wondering how long it would take the media to come out with this one, he worked for the Gardai but not the PSNI as the CIRA wouldnt like that but they'd be ok with the Gardai. Such a load of bollix. Did she really say something that stupid.

She actually said the opposite. She was refuting the rumour he was working for the Gardai.

Yes, thats been known for weeks in Cavan anyway. Bought in Mullahoran I believe. Yet I dont think bleach buying is a crime yet.
No-one is saying it is a crime but if the Gardai know one of the thugs bought bleach within a certain area and time-frame and they have vidoe of a known accomplice of Cyril doing just that then it is circumstantial eviddence to point them in the correct direction.


How would she know either way
Perhaps an educated guess. Based on the fact the Gardai have been unable to charge him for lack of evidence it would suggest he doesnt leave much incriminating information written down anywhere

Cheers Leo. The last one she didn’t claim to know. It was her guess because she doesn’t think McGuinness was much of a man for laptops!

A lot of her information comes from the Gardai I believe.

Interesting that itchy thinks that someone with dissident links seen on cctv buying bleach around the time and place of the Lunney torture isn’t anything to worry about! Buying bleach may not be a crime, but it depends what you do with it!!

[Itchy]

The bottom line is I personally wouldn't believe a single word that comes out of a Sunday World journalists mouth. There is a truth out there and there are no doubt bits of the truth in what we are hearing but these "journalists" have to make it sound like they have some inside track and know the whole truth and although they'd love to tell us all they simply cant for legal reasons.

Just to pick out a couple of your points without making the thread excessively long.

Its long known yet the attacks have been going on for 5/6 years and no one has been arrested and the man that it is well known to be orchestrating is living his normal life south of the border in Cavan.

Knowing something and then printing it is different from having sufficient evidence to prosecute.


I was wondering how long it would take the media to come out with this one, he worked for the Gardai but not the PSNI as the CIRA wouldnt like that but they'd be ok with the Gardai. Such a load of bollix. Did she really say something that stupid.

She actually said the opposite. She was refuting the rumour he was working for the Gardai.

Yes, thats been known for weeks in Cavan anyway. Bought in Mullahoran I believe. Yet I dont think bleach buying is a crime yet.
No-one is saying it is a crime but if the Gardai know one of the thugs bought bleach within a certain area and time-frame and they have vidoe of a known accomplice of Cyril doing just that then it is circumstantial eviddence to point them in the correct direction.


How would she know either way
Perhaps an educated guess. Based on the fact the Gardai have been unable to charge him for lack of evidence it would suggest he doesnt leave much incriminating information written down anywhere

Cheers Leo. The last one she didn’t claim to know. It was her guess because she doesn’t think McGuinness was much of a man for laptops!

A lot of her information comes from the Gardai I believe.

Interesting that itchy thinks that someone with dissident links seen on cctv buying bleach around the time and place of the Lunney torture isn’t anything to worry about! Buying bleach may not be a crime, but it depends what you do with it!!

Another bluffer talking shite . Just point out where I said that.

[Shamrock Shore]

Two men and a woman arrested.

Fill yer boots with speculation..........