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« Reply #2790 on: September 21, 2019, 09:43:49 AM »
This isn't reflecting on the Quinns well at all. The people who carried out this and other attacks are doing it for money. Either they're not being paid off or they are being paid to carry them out. There can be no doubt that paramilitaries are involved.
Who's paying these pipers?

Well they're either being paid or not being paid depending on which side they're on. Typical IRA modus operandi extort and victimise the very community they purport to protect.

Is that you Jamie Bryson?

What he means is all paramilitaries extort and victimise the communities that they purport to protect and the IRA in whatever its current guise is no different. Ever wonder why majority SF represented areas rarely prosper when they were in power for over 10 years with full control of several ministries including the top posts?  Keep your people down, don’t let them get comfortable, blame everyone else and then get their vote to keep it going. SF not alone in this strategy, the Labour Party in UK doing the same at moment to use Brexit to break the Tories.

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« Reply #2791 on: September 21, 2019, 09:45:07 AM »
Hopefully the awful extreme brutality of this event will bring about an end to the disgusting campaign of intimidation.

Like that has worked in this country in the past.

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« Reply #2792 on: September 21, 2019, 09:47:27 AM »
Just reading the details of the attack in the paper. Absolutely barbaric, fingernails torn off, stabbed, bleach poured over him. I'm maybe a bit naive to this but are these attacks being carried out by so called Sean Quinn supporters? What is the reasoning behind it all? Surely these new owners have safe guarded jobs and bringing prosperity to the area when it otherwise could be a wasteland.
Have the Quinn family spoken out against these attacks previously? The seriousness of the attacks would also lead you to think there is a degree of organisation behind them. It's not carried out by young lads if you know what I mean. Is paramilitary involvement suspected?

The Quinns spoke out about the attacks previously and I believe has done so again regarding this. And was quite clear that he was disgusted at it. While Kevin Lunney and Sean haven't seen eye to eye in recent years, he worked closely with him for 20 odd years prior and would have been very close with Kevin and the family. If it was done with some misguided attempt at vengeance for Sean, it was very wide of the mark and will have done more harm. Disgusting act that would make you wonder what people are capable of.

You have to say impartially that it takes a lot for people not to believe that deep in him somewhere, he's happy enough the people that he said stabbed him in the back and treated him like crap (to paraphrase) are getting tortured....now literally. He's made no secret he wants the business back.
People will obviously make their own decisions. But I think it's madness to think that he would get pleasure out of someone he's know for a lifetime getting treated like that. I think most people would be appalled by it. With regards to wanting the business back, that's true and I'm sure he's been working along quietly regarding that. He's smart enough to know this will have a negative effect on that process.

If the Quinn’s have nothing to do with the campaign, they may know who is behind it but will know why it is happening.

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« Reply #2793 on: September 21, 2019, 10:03:07 AM »
Owen's obsession with Sinn Fein continues (yawn)  ::)

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« Reply #2795 on: September 23, 2019, 10:57:41 PM »
I think it's well accepted that it's ex provos involved in criminality and dissidents who are perpetrating these acts but they are just basically the thugs for hire.

What really interests me is the motives for it? Obviously they get paid for it and will get looked after for this campaign but who is behind it, who is really pulling the strings. For me, there is only one group of people with the motive for it but they would hardly be that stupid and desparate to undertake this barbaric course of action? I know the media have been pointing the finger at a well known criminal as the main man but I find it hard to see what he gains from it other than he is the hired muscle for someone higher up.

I'm utterly perplexed by it all.

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« Reply #2796 on: September 24, 2019, 01:49:43 AM »
Could it be that the new regime has not the ability to come up with protection money. I imagine Seán could have access to whatever was needed but that now there is no place on the balance sheet for this transaction

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« Reply #2797 on: September 24, 2019, 08:14:26 AM »
This is a long thread and there are many informed posters about this whole accounting and business scam which the ordinary punter has had to bear the costs of to the tune of a levy of €70m p/a, until eternity.
Is there any compelling argument not to consider the most obvious suspects here, as being the nr 1 (by a distance) who are behind the hiring of these vicious thugs?

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« Reply #2798 on: September 24, 2019, 11:19:13 AM »
I think it's well accepted that it's ex provos involved in criminality and dissidents who are perpetrating these acts but they are just basically the thugs for hire.

What really interests me is the motives for it? Obviously they get paid for it and will get looked after for this campaign but who is behind it, who is really pulling the strings. For me, there is only one group of people with the motive for it but they would hardly be that stupid and desparate to undertake this barbaric course of action? I know the media have been pointing the finger at a well known criminal as the main man but I find it hard to see what he gains from it other than he is the hired muscle for someone higher up.

I'm utterly perplexed by it all.

Would be absolutely and completed flabbergasted if it wasn't the Quinns to be perfectly honest. Want the business back, what better way than to make it completely odious and impossible to run? I wonder which hero might step up and offer to help clear the toxic spill?

Who indeed.

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« Reply #2799 on: September 24, 2019, 11:44:34 AM »
Could it be that the new regime has not the ability to come up with protection money. I imagine Seán could have access to whatever was needed but that now there is no place on the balance sheet for this transaction

No other business in the region has reported being bothered for protection money.

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« Reply #2800 on: September 24, 2019, 12:04:19 PM »
I think it's well accepted that it's ex provos involved in criminality and dissidents who are perpetrating these acts but they are just basically the thugs for hire.

What really interests me is the motives for it? Obviously they get paid for it and will get looked after for this campaign but who is behind it, who is really pulling the strings. For me, there is only one group of people with the motive for it but they would hardly be that stupid and desparate to undertake this barbaric course of action? I know the media have been pointing the finger at a well known criminal as the main man but I find it hard to see what he gains from it other than he is the hired muscle for someone higher up.

I'm utterly perplexed by it all.

Would be absolutely and completed flabbergasted if it wasn't the Quinns to be perfectly honest. Want the business back, what better way than to make it completely odious and impossible to run? I wonder which hero might step up and offer to help clear the toxic spill?

Who indeed.

I personally doubt that it was the Quinns given the long relationship they have with Kevin Lunney. One of the daughters in particular is still close.
There's another line being looked into regarding another family feud that has been on-going with the Lunney's and another local family. The history of which Kevin was attached earlier this year and had his nose broken as a result. I believe there's on-going legal action regarding it currently.
Can never be sure obviously, but I would be surprised (and disgusted) if it traced back to the Quinns.

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« Reply #2801 on: September 24, 2019, 12:45:15 PM »
The only real plausible motive I can come up with is that these attacks are being orchestrated by the Quinns or someone close to them in order to wrestle control back over their former business empire.

Otherwise why would these attacks be happening? Why did they cease when Quinn had a role back in the business? It all looks very, very shady for the Quinns.

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« Reply #2802 on: September 24, 2019, 12:51:28 PM »
I think it's well accepted that it's ex provos involved in criminality and dissidents who are perpetrating these acts but they are just basically the thugs for hire.

What really interests me is the motives for it? Obviously they get paid for it and will get looked after for this campaign but who is behind it, who is really pulling the strings. For me, there is only one group of people with the motive for it but they would hardly be that stupid and desparate to undertake this barbaric course of action? I know the media have been pointing the finger at a well known criminal as the main man but I find it hard to see what he gains from it other than he is the hired muscle for someone higher up.

I'm utterly perplexed by it all.

Would be absolutely and completed flabbergasted if it wasn't the Quinns to be perfectly honest. Want the business back, what better way than to make it completely odious and impossible to run? I wonder which hero might step up and offer to help clear the toxic spill?

Who indeed.

I personally doubt that it was the Quinns given the long relationship they have with Kevin Lunney. One of the daughters in particular is still close.
There's another line being looked into regarding another family feud that has been on-going with the Lunney's and another local family. The history of which Kevin was attached earlier this year and had his nose broken as a result. I believe there's on-going legal action regarding it currently.
Can never be sure obviously, but I would be surprised (and disgusted) if it traced back to the Quinns.

I don't see why the fact that they were once close would do anything to discount Quinn's involvement. It might in fact do more to explain it. Quinn feels betrayed that someone close to him has now usurped the business empire he built.

By some bizarre stretch the Quinns somehow believe they are victims here. They believe they have a divine right and entitlement to all the wealthy and power they once despite the fact they lost it all through greed and reckless gambling.

The Quinns got an awful amount of local support during their initial fall. I presume the nature of these attacks and their unwillingness to take their medicine would have lost that groundswell of support?

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« Reply #2803 on: September 24, 2019, 01:03:17 PM »
I think it's well accepted that it's ex provos involved in criminality and dissidents who are perpetrating these acts but they are just basically the thugs for hire.

What really interests me is the motives for it? Obviously they get paid for it and will get looked after for this campaign but who is behind it, who is really pulling the strings. For me, there is only one group of people with the motive for it but they would hardly be that stupid and desparate to undertake this barbaric course of action? I know the media have been pointing the finger at a well known criminal as the main man but I find it hard to see what he gains from it other than he is the hired muscle for someone higher up.

I'm utterly perplexed by it all.

Would be absolutely and completed flabbergasted if it wasn't the Quinns to be perfectly honest. Want the business back, what better way than to make it completely odious and impossible to run? I wonder which hero might step up and offer to help clear the toxic spill?

Who indeed.

I personally doubt that it was the Quinns given the long relationship they have with Kevin Lunney. One of the daughters in particular is still close.
There's another line being looked into regarding another family feud that has been on-going with the Lunney's and another local family. The history of which Kevin was attached earlier this year and had his nose broken as a result. I believe there's on-going legal action regarding it currently.
Can never be sure obviously, but I would be surprised (and disgusted) if it traced back to the Quinns.
Are you serious? This is a 'bit' more than a local spat against an individual who just happens to be chief operating officer of Quinn Industrial Holdings. Or perhaps the particularily barbaric attack on Lunney, threats made against the company directors and the number of attacks against the company are merely part of an elaborate smokescreen carried out by the dumbest local spat thugs in Irish history, who now find themselves public enemy  nr.1 n the middle of a PSNI/Garda hunt.

As regards the alleged long relationship Quinns have with Kevin Lunney, Sean Quinn was quoted in the Indo
Asked  if he has contacted Mr Lunney or had a message for his family, Sean Quinn said: "No. I have not been speaking to Kevin Lunney or any of the Lunneys now in five years."
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« Reply #2804 on: September 24, 2019, 01:59:57 PM »
I think it's well accepted that it's ex provos involved in criminality and dissidents who are perpetrating these acts but they are just basically the thugs for hire.

What really interests me is the motives for it? Obviously they get paid for it and will get looked after for this campaign but who is behind it, who is really pulling the strings. For me, there is only one group of people with the motive for it but they would hardly be that stupid and desparate to undertake this barbaric course of action? I know the media have been pointing the finger at a well known criminal as the main man but I find it hard to see what he gains from it other than he is the hired muscle for someone higher up.

I'm utterly perplexed by it all.

Would be absolutely and completed flabbergasted if it wasn't the Quinns to be perfectly honest. Want the business back, what better way than to make it completely odious and impossible to run? I wonder which hero might step up and offer to help clear the toxic spill?

Who indeed.

I personally doubt that it was the Quinns given the long relationship they have with Kevin Lunney. One of the daughters in particular is still close.
There's another line being looked into regarding another family feud that has been on-going with the Lunney's and another local family. The history of which Kevin was attached earlier this year and had his nose broken as a result. I believe there's on-going legal action regarding it currently.
Can never be sure obviously, but I would be surprised (and disgusted) if it traced back to the Quinns.

I don't see why the fact that they were once close would do anything to discount Quinn's involvement. It might in fact do more to explain it. Quinn feels betrayed that someone close to him has now usurped the business empire he built.

By some bizarre stretch the Quinns somehow believe they are victims here. They believe they have a divine right and entitlement to all the wealthy and power they once despite the fact they lost it all through greed and reckless gambling.

The Quinns got an awful amount of local support during their initial fall. I presume the nature of these attacks and their unwillingness to take their medicine would have lost that groundswell of support?

I don't think the Quinns see themselves as victims here at all. Do you honestly think that SQ believes that this sort of an attack is going to make him look like a suitable target for investment. It has damaged any opportunity he would have to try and get investment to buy the business back as it's been linked to him.
The Quinns have no divine right to wealth any more than anyone else. But they have tried to start again and have managed to build up a fairly successful betting business although at a different level to the Quinn group at it's peak.
With regards to the local support, there would have been a fair bit of hostility to Kevin Lunney in the local community. I think the hostility to KL and the other Directors has mellowed as a result of this attack. There still seems to be support for the Quinns but I'm sure you won't be the only one linking the attacks to them so I'm sure that will have some effect.