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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #15000 on: September 28, 2019, 04:37:10 AM »
Wisconsin Michigan and Pennsylvania could easily slip back democratic if they motivate the base to get out and vote.
Arizona could easily go Democrat this election also. Texas has the potential too tho prob not 2020. Thing is if they mentioned guns less they could prob take Texas, and Arizona at a canter.
I was impressed with Warren when I seen her on the other night seems to have good energy for her age and a positive personality. Joe seems a little bit slow and always on the back foot, alot of baggage too, this latest crap ain't gonna help, you get his time may have passed. Camilla Harris is just Hillary Clinton mk2.

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« Reply #15001 on: September 28, 2019, 11:50:08 AM »
Have the potential impeachment hanging over trumps head as the next election comes along so he doesnít get re-elected thatís the Democrats playbook because they donít have a viable candidate who can beat him.

Its more than 13 months to the election.

If he is going to be impeached, it will be long before that.

And you're disregarding, whether intentionally or not, the unpredictability of the fallout. Pelosi has been as reluctant as hell partly because she fears damaging the Dems chances and boosting Trump. But he's basically forced her hand with this latest idiocy.
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« Reply #15002 on: September 30, 2019, 02:45:04 AM »
I canít see Warren beating Trump

He didn't bring back steam trains or all the coal jobs that he promised, and the lies of Fox News and AM radio are only going to go so far. He can go ahead and tell  lies that he's building his stupid wall, but that's only going to fool a small number of people.

 Warren is far more down-to-Earth than Hillary was, and I think the voters in the rust belt see far more in common with her than they do with Trump. There's a very real chance Warren will be the next President.

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Mueller report was a bust, so now theyíre pulling out all the stops to beat him on a point of law, rather than at the ballot box.
The law is not an inconvenient technicality. Trump has to obey it. He doesn't.

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Only thing that may save Trump is that if the investigation into the Dossier/FISA has major findings against the Democrats. Iíd say thatís 50/50 at this point
I wouldn't count on that.

Yeah....she has a good chance of beating him but its by no means a done deal.

Open borders and abolition of private healthcare will be highly problematic positions to defend a general election

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/27/elizabeth-warrens-shift-puts-health-insurers-in-2020-crossfire.html

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/07/are-democrats-now-the-party-of-open-borders/

ďBut I have to admit that itís hard to see much daylight between Warrenís plan and de facto open borders.Ē. AND THATS FROM MOTHER JONES

Au contraire:

70 percent of Americans support 'Medicare for all' proposal

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« Reply #15003 on: September 30, 2019, 10:06:39 AM »
I canít see Warren beating Trump

He didn't bring back steam trains or all the coal jobs that he promised, and the lies of Fox News and AM radio are only going to go so far. He can go ahead and tell  lies that he's building his stupid wall, but that's only going to fool a small number of people.

 Warren is far more down-to-Earth than Hillary was, and I think the voters in the rust belt see far more in common with her than they do with Trump. There's a very real chance Warren will be the next President.

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Mueller report was a bust, so now theyíre pulling out all the stops to beat him on a point of law, rather than at the ballot box.
The law is not an inconvenient technicality. Trump has to obey it. He doesn't.

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Only thing that may save Trump is that if the investigation into the Dossier/FISA has major findings against the Democrats. Iíd say thatís 50/50 at this point
I wouldn't count on that.

Yeah....she has a good chance of beating him but its by no means a done deal.

Open borders and abolition of private healthcare will be highly problematic positions to defend a general election

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/27/elizabeth-warrens-shift-puts-health-insurers-in-2020-crossfire.html

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/07/are-democrats-now-the-party-of-open-borders/

ďBut I have to admit that itís hard to see much daylight between Warrenís plan and de facto open borders.Ē. AND THATS FROM MOTHER JONES

Au contraire:

70 percent of Americans support 'Medicare for all' proposal

Yyyyaaaawwwwwnnnnnn

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/support-for-medicare-for-all-plummets-if-it-means-getting-rid-of-private-insurance-system-poll-finds/

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« Reply #15004 on: September 30, 2019, 01:19:38 PM »
Have the potential impeachment hanging over trumps head as the next election comes along so he doesnít get re-elected thatís the Democrats playbook because they donít have a viable candidate who can beat him.

Its more than 13 months to the election.

If he is going to be impeached, it will be long before that.

And you're disregarding, whether intentionally or not, the unpredictability of the fallout. Pelosi has been as reluctant as hell partly because she fears damaging the Dems chances and boosting Trump. But he's basically forced her hand with this latest idiocy.

Agree with that pure stupidity etc, but if the economy is in as good as shape a year from now as it is today, (and that is a bit questionable given the potential impact of the tariff on business confidence=consumer confidence), then Trump will get reelected, do you think folks in some of the aforementioned states give a shite about Ukraine if the are earning a lot more than they were 4,8,10 years ago.
The only Democrat among this group, I would have voted for, Biden, is being thrown under the bus by his own party, who feel he is not left enough for the loudest of them.

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« Reply #15005 on: September 30, 2019, 04:25:59 PM »
Have the potential impeachment hanging over trumps head as the next election comes along so he doesnít get re-elected thatís the Democrats playbook because they donít have a viable candidate who can beat him.

Its more than 13 months to the election.

If he is going to be impeached, it will be long before that.

And you're disregarding, whether intentionally or not, the unpredictability of the fallout. Pelosi has been as reluctant as hell partly because she fears damaging the Dems chances and boosting Trump. But he's basically forced her hand with this latest idiocy.

Agree with that pure stupidity etc, but if the economy is in as good as shape a year from now as it is today, (and that is a bit questionable given the potential impact of the tariff on business confidence=consumer confidence), then Trump will get reelected, do you think folks in some of the aforementioned states give a shite about Ukraine if the are earning a lot more than they were 4,8,10 years ago.
The only Democrat among this group, I would have voted for, Biden, is being thrown under the bus by his own party, who feel he is not left enough for the loudest of them.

Unfortunately for Biden, he has nearly 50 years of service in politics, and has been very inarticulate and incoherent in addressing policy positions he once held. If he is getting rattled by Kamila Harris and the young liberal base of the party, how the hell is he going to stand up to the carnage, shamelessness and nihilism of Trump and the GOP and the right wing media in a general election campaign? They will chew him up, spit him out and rub what's left into the dirt. Had he effectively explained that society and people evolve and learn and change over time, that what is presumed to be correct or self-evident today may not be so in 30 years, he'd still be in good shape. But he couldn't even handle that relatively easy part of the process. Its unfortunate, as I myself would be someone to whom his moderate brand of liberalism would appeal. Maybe he'll still come through the primaries, but I have serious doubts that he would be able for what Trump brings (this is a man who, in his own primary, campaigned on Ted Cruz's father being part of the Kennedy assassination! There is no depth to which he will not descend).
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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #15006 on: October 01, 2019, 03:32:22 PM »
Have the potential impeachment hanging over trumps head as the next election comes along so he doesnít get re-elected thatís the Democrats playbook because they donít have a viable candidate who can beat him.

Its more than 13 months to the election.

If he is going to be impeached, it will be long before that.

And you're disregarding, whether intentionally or not, the unpredictability of the fallout. Pelosi has been as reluctant as hell partly because she fears damaging the Dems chances and boosting Trump. But he's basically forced her hand with this latest idiocy.
u think that it will stop if this one fails ? Well at least Nancy is praying for trump and is very prayerful right now .

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« Reply #15007 on: October 04, 2019, 08:15:06 PM »
Have the potential impeachment hanging over trumps head as the next election comes along so he doesnít get re-elected thatís the Democrats playbook because they donít have a viable candidate who can beat him.

Its more than 13 months to the election.

If he is going to be impeached, it will be long before that.

And you're disregarding, whether intentionally or not, the unpredictability of the fallout. Pelosi has been as reluctant as hell partly because she fears damaging the Dems chances and boosting Trump. But he's basically forced her hand with this latest idiocy.
u think that it will stop if this one fails ? Well at least Nancy is praying for trump and is very prayerful right now .

That Trump will stop?

No, of course not. The man can't help himself.

Kelly Anne Conway's husband puts that exact case together quite convincingly in The Atlantic this week (long, but well worth the read).

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/george-conway-trump-unfit-office/599128/
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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #15008 on: November 01, 2019, 10:35:44 PM »
Beto's out!

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« Reply #15009 on: November 15, 2019, 07:16:37 PM »
Jaysis I thought there would be more chat on here after a big day in the US.

Roger Stone guilty indeed all counts and the President being pegged for witness intimidation...

How will this play out over the next while??

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« Reply #15010 on: November 16, 2019, 12:10:10 PM »
Jaysis I thought there would be more chat on here after a big day in the US.

Roger Stone guilty indeed all counts and the President being pegged for witness intimidation...

How will this play out over the next while??

Stone will be pardoned.

Trump will come through unscathed no matter what is revealed.

Sin e.

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« Reply #15011 on: Today at 07:40:30 AM »
Jaysis I thought there would be more chat on here after a big day in the US.

Roger Stone guilty indeed all counts and the President being pegged for witness intimidation...

How will this play out over the next while??

This administration has been piling up so many criminal indictments, guilty verdicts and prison sentences that it's hard to keep up. Trump is a master of the art of piling so much awfulness on top of awfulness that you don't know where to look for awfulness. Watch this, tomorrow the administration will probably make another announcement that they're going to torch the place by scrapping voting rights, or deporting some minority, or opening up the Grand Canyon for oil exploration, or something. It's become an almost daily occurrence that people are just numb to it.