Counties Finishing on Equal Points in National League

drici · March 27, 2010, 12:26:32 AM

26 March 2010
Press Release

The GAA wishes to confirm that where Teams in the National Leagues finish on equal points the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:

(i) Where two Teams only are involved - the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the previous game in the Competition;

(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For);

(iii) Highest Total Score For;

(iv) A Play-Off.

Exceptions:
In relation to means (ii) and (iii) above, if the accumulated scores of a team, so involved, are affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walk over, the tie shall be decided by a Play-Off.

mayogodhelpus@gmail.com · March 27, 2010, 01:01:30 AM

Quote from: drici on March 27, 2010, 12:26:32 AM
26 March 2010
Press Release

The GAA wishes to confirm that where Teams in the National Leagues finish on equal points the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:

(i) Where two Teams only are involved - the outcome of the meeting of the two Teams in the previous game in the Competition;

(ii) Scoring Difference (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For);

(iii) Highest Total Score For;

(iv) A Play-Off.

Exceptions:
In relation to means (ii) and (iii) above, if the accumulated scores of a team, so involved, are affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walk over, the tie shall be decided by a Play-Off.

f**k, so if Mayo are on level points with Dublin we better hope its a 3 way draw with Cork and that we have scored more than both.

Cosmo Kramer · March 27, 2010, 09:52:58 AM

We could do with Derry doing us a favour now. If Cork win against Derry we will almost certainly have to win both of our last two games to make the final, unless Dublin collapse and lose both their games.

Rossfan · March 27, 2010, 10:14:09 PM

The bloody NFL started on the 6th Feb and we get this announcement on 26th March.
Not good enough Mr Duffy .

clarshack · March 27, 2010, 11:49:56 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2010, 10:14:09 PM
The bloody NFL started on the 6th Feb and we get this announcement on 26th March.
Not good enough Mr Duffy .

yeah - its a bit like FIFA and their world cup playoff policy.

trileacman · March 28, 2010, 12:07:19 AM

Any chance of some einstein explaining the possible scenario's of who can and cant be relegated? Who can still be in the league final too?

Cork      6    5    0    1    9-82 9-70 12   10
2    Mayo    5    4    0    1    7-58    5-52    12    8
3    Dublin    6    4    0    2    7-63    6-61    5    8
4    Galway    6    3    0    3    6-85    6-91    -6    6
5    Kerry    6    2    0    4    5-73    6-65    5    4
6    Monaghan    5    2    0    3    7-65    6-72    -4    4
7    Tyrone    6    2    0    4    6-73    5-85    -9    4
8    Derry    6    1    0    5    3-72    7-75    -15    2

With these remaining:
Mayo V Muineachán
Corcaigh V Maigh Eo
Ciarraí V Muineachán
Tír Eoghain V Áth Cliath
Gaillimh V Doire

Please explain: If two teams finish level on points then its head to head results but if its three on level points its score difference. Correct or not?

As I see it Derry cant survive without winning by 20+ and getting nice results. Also Galway cant be relegated at all. True?

If all teams bar derry finish on 6 points who is relegated? f**k this is screwing with my head.

Aaron Boone · March 28, 2010, 12:14:47 AM

If just Tyrone & Kerry finish on 4 then Kerry would be relegated.

If just Tyrone & Monaghan finish on 4, then Tyrone would be relegated

If any 3 of Derry, Tyrone, Monaghan & Kerry finish on 4, then it is points difference.

If any 3 (or all 4) of Tyrone, Kerry, Monaghan & Galway finish on 6, then it is points difference.

Hound · March 28, 2010, 09:02:58 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2010, 10:14:09 PM
The bloody NFL started on the 6th Feb and we get this announcement on 26th March.
Not good enough Mr Duffy .

The rule was in long before the start of the league.

This was just for the benefit of those who don't know the rules.

Cosmo Kramer · March 28, 2010, 10:10:10 AM

Quote from: trileacman on March 28, 2010, 12:07:19 AM
Any chance of some einstein explaining the possible scenario's of who can and cant be relegated? Who can still be in the league final too?

Cork      6    5    0    1    9-82 9-70 12   10
2    Mayo    5    4    0    1    7-58    5-52    12    8
3    Dublin    6    4    0    2    7-63    6-61    5    8
4    Galway    6    3    0    3    6-85    6-91    -6    6
5    Kerry    6    2    0    4    5-73    6-65    5    4
6    Monaghan    5    2    0    3    7-65    6-72    -4    4
7    Tyrone    6    2    0    4    6-73    5-85    -9    4
8    Derry    6    1    0    5    3-72    7-75    -15    2

With these remaining:
Mayo V Muineachán
Corcaigh V Maigh Eo
Ciarraí V Muineachán
Tír Eoghain V Áth Cliath
Gaillimh V Doire

Please explain: If two teams finish level on points then its head to head results but if its three on level points its score difference. Correct or not?

As I see it Derry cant survive without winning by 20+ and getting nice results. Also Galway cant be relegated at all. True?

If all teams bar derry finish on 6 points who is relegated? f**k this is screwing with my head.

Derry don't need to win by 20 points - they need to win by probably 5 or 6 and hope for the best elsewhere.

Galway could yet be relegated. However if Mayo beat Monaghan in Castlebar today then Galway are safe because with Kerry playing Monaghan in the last game and with them both on 4 points then they can't both get to 6.

Its do or die for Monaghan today, if they don't beat Mayo then they'll probably go down with Derry because you'd expect Kerry and Tyrone to win on the last day.

Hound · March 28, 2010, 11:42:44 AM

Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on March 28, 2010, 10:10:10 AM
Quote from: trileacman on March 28, 2010, 12:07:19 AM
Any chance of some einstein explaining the possible scenario's of who can and cant be relegated? Who can still be in the league final too?

Cork      6    5    0    1    9-82 9-70 12   10
2    Mayo    5    4    0    1    7-58    5-52    12    8
3    Dublin    6    4    0    2    7-63    6-61    5    8
4    Galway    6    3    0    3    6-85    6-91    -6    6
5    Kerry    6    2    0    4    5-73    6-65    5    4
6    Monaghan    5    2    0    3    7-65    6-72    -4    4
7    Tyrone    6    2    0    4    6-73    5-85    -9    4
8    Derry    6    1    0    5    3-72    7-75    -15    2

With these remaining:
Mayo V Muineachán
Corcaigh V Maigh Eo
Ciarraí V Muineachán
Tír Eoghain V Áth Cliath
Gaillimh V Doire

Please explain: If two teams finish level on points then its head to head results but if its three on level points its score difference. Correct or not?

As I see it Derry cant survive without winning by 20+ and getting nice results. Also Galway cant be relegated at all. True?

If all teams bar derry finish on 6 points who is relegated? f**k this is screwing with my head.

Derry don't need to win by 20 points - they need to win by probably 5 or 6 and hope for the best elsewhere.

Galway could yet be relegated. However if Mayo beat Monaghan in Castlebar today then Galway are safe because with Kerry playing Monaghan in the last game and with them both on 4 points then they can't both get to 6.

Its do or die for Monaghan today, if they don't beat Mayo then they'll probably go down with Derry because you'd expect Kerry and Tyrone to win on the last day.

But in the unlikely event of Monaghan beating Mayo today it could really open up the league final places. You could end up with Cork topping by a distance and each of Mayo, Dublin, Monaghan and Galway in jnt 2nd!

Cosmo Kramer · March 28, 2010, 12:31:57 PM

Quote from: Hound on March 28, 2010, 11:42:44 AM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on March 28, 2010, 10:10:10 AM
Quote from: trileacman on March 28, 2010, 12:07:19 AM
Any chance of some einstein explaining the possible scenario's of who can and cant be relegated? Who can still be in the league final too?

Cork      6    5    0    1    9-82 9-70 12   10
2    Mayo    5    4    0    1    7-58    5-52    12    8
3    Dublin    6    4    0    2    7-63    6-61    5    8
4    Galway    6    3    0    3    6-85    6-91    -6    6
5    Kerry    6    2    0    4    5-73    6-65    5    4
6    Monaghan    5    2    0    3    7-65    6-72    -4    4
7    Tyrone    6    2    0    4    6-73    5-85    -9    4
8    Derry    6    1    0    5    3-72    7-75    -15    2

With these remaining:
Mayo V Muineachán
Corcaigh V Maigh Eo
Ciarraí V Muineachán
Tír Eoghain V Áth Cliath
Gaillimh V Doire

Please explain: If two teams finish level on points then its head to head results but if its three on level points its score difference. Correct or not?

As I see it Derry cant survive without winning by 20+ and getting nice results. Also Galway cant be relegated at all. True?

If all teams bar derry finish on 6 points who is relegated? f**k this is screwing with my head.

Derry don't need to win by 20 points - they need to win by probably 5 or 6 and hope for the best elsewhere.

Galway could yet be relegated. However if Mayo beat Monaghan in Castlebar today then Galway are safe because with Kerry playing Monaghan in the last game and with them both on 4 points then they can't both get to 6.

Its do or die for Monaghan today, if they don't beat Mayo then they'll probably go down with Derry because you'd expect Kerry and Tyrone to win on the last day.
But in the unlikely event of Monaghan beating Mayo today it could really open up the league final places. You could end up with Cork topping by a distance and each of Mayo, Dublin, Monaghan and Galway in jnt 2nd!

Ya, you're right there.

And in that case, Mayo's points difference is such that they could lose by two or three today, lose by two or three down in Cork next week and they'd still make the final on points difference ahead of Dublin, Monaghan and Galway.

heffo · March 28, 2010, 04:06:55 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2010, 10:14:09 PM
The bloody NFL started on the 6th Feb and we get this announcement on 26th March.
Not good enough Mr Duffy .

This rule was amended in congress last year - common knowledge I would've thought...

Maguire01 · March 28, 2010, 04:09:41 PM

Even though it might suit Monaghan, should Tyrone and Monaghan both be beaten next week, I think it's pretty stupid. The teams are ranked on the basis of points difference in the table for the whole of the league, then at the end, the team in 6th place can be dragged down into 7th or 8th.

Cosmo Kramer · March 28, 2010, 04:19:15 PM

We're now in the ridiculous situation where the team in second place in the league are guaranteed a place in the league final but the team in first place are not.

Ball Hopper · March 28, 2010, 04:35:13 PM

Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on March 28, 2010, 04:19:15 PM
We're now in the ridiculous situation where the team in second place in the league are guaranteed a place in the league final but the team in first place are not.

Odd alright. For Dublin to get to the Final, Dublin must beat Tyrone and Cork must beat Mayo (this will give Dublin the first tie-break rule over Mayo, courtesy of their win in Castlebar). Any other combination of results sees a Cork/Mayo Final.

Still working the relegation scenarios.