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Re: Willie Frazer and FAIR
« Reply #945 on: June 29, 2019, 07:45:01 PM »
All the bitterness can't have been good for him.
Although he seems to be from a long line of bitterness so is likely to have had it instilled in him anyway but he did have a lot of reason to be bitter.
I’m not sure how well rounded I’d be having suffered the losses he did, without discussing the rights & wrongs of them.
It was probably what killed him as well. Trauma affects people differently. There is loads of trauma in the North.
58 or whatever is a very young age.  Dolours Price was also relatively young when she died.

Did Delours Price not die from a cocktail of  drink/prescription drugs?
Ibwould reckon her past had something to do with that cocktail of anti-depressants and sedatives.

Not too many active players from the troubles die peacefully in their beds having enjoyed old age I imagine?

Kevin McKenna and Billy McKee both died in the last few weeks

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« Reply #946 on: June 29, 2019, 07:52:26 PM »
All the bitterness can't have been good for him.
Although he seems to be from a long line of bitterness so is likely to have had it instilled in him anyway but he did have a lot of reason to be bitter.
I’m not sure how well rounded I’d be having suffered the losses he did, without discussing the rights & wrongs of them.
It was probably what killed him as well. Trauma affects people differently. There is loads of trauma in the North.
58 or whatever is a very young age.  Dolours Price was also relatively young when she died.

Did Delours Price not die from a cocktail of  drink/prescription drugs?
She did but had been alcoholic for a good while before.

She cared for her aunt who was blinded and lost both hands in an accident with a bomb. She wasn’t allowed out of Lincoln prison for the funeral of her mother. Etc etc

There is a song in Irish about the death of her mother.

https://youtu.be/eUjp5-TqaXc

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/film/filming-dolours-price-her-name-is-latin-for-sorrow-that-describes-her-life-1.3610215?mode=amp
She was threatening to go public with everything,” MoIoney says. “That would have caused enormous damage to herself, to her family, to all sorts of people.”
Dolours Price was a source for The Secret History of the IRA and Moloney had an extensive understanding of just how many windows were about to be rattled. She could talk to Gerry Adams’s early days. She could spill details on the abduction of Belfast woman Jean McConville in 1972.

She remembers caring for an aunt who was blinded and lost both hands following an accident with IRA explosives. Initially, unlike her father and that aunt, she believed in peaceful change, but her experiences at the Burntollet Bridge incident in 1969 – when security forces allowed loyalist protesters to brutally attack a civil rights march – altered her attitude forever.

After that, they felt Northern Ireland was beyond reform,” Moloney says. “After that she came to view her father’s view as correct. For many others the path was then a straightforward one into the arms of the IRA. Many more followed after internment came in.”

Whatever one’s feeling about the Troubles, hers remains a sad story. She was married to the actor Stephen Rea from 1983 until 2003, but died in 2013 after taking a toxic combination of sedatives and anti-depressant medications. She had been on hunger strike in prison and had subsequently dealt with anorexia nervosa.
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« Reply #948 on: June 30, 2019, 12:12:15 AM »
All the bitterness can't have been good for him.
Although he seems to be from a long line of bitterness so is likely to have had it instilled in him anyway but he did have a lot of reason to be bitter.
I’m not sure how well rounded I’d be having suffered the losses he did, without discussing the rights & wrongs of them.
It was probably what killed him as well. Trauma affects people differently. There is loads of trauma in the North.
58 or whatever is a very young age.  Dolours Price was also relatively young when she died.

Did Delours Price not die from a cocktail of  drink/prescription drugs?
She did but had been alcoholic for a good while before.

She cared for her aunt who was blinded and lost both hands in an accident with a bomb. She wasn’t allowed out of Lincoln prison for the funeral of her mother. Etc etc

There is a song in Irish about the death of her mother.

https://youtu.be/eUjp5-TqaXc

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/film/filming-dolours-price-her-name-is-latin-for-sorrow-that-describes-her-life-1.3610215?mode=amp
She was threatening to go public with everything,” MoIoney says. “That would have caused enormous damage to herself, to her family, to all sorts of people.”
Dolours Price was a source for The Secret History of the IRA and Moloney had an extensive understanding of just how many windows were about to be rattled. She could talk to Gerry Adams’s early days. She could spill details on the abduction of Belfast woman Jean McConville in 1972.

She remembers caring for an aunt who was blinded and lost both hands following an accident with IRA explosives. Initially, unlike her father and that aunt, she believed in peaceful change, but her experiences at the Burntollet Bridge incident in 1969 – when security forces allowed loyalist protesters to brutally attack a civil rights march – altered her attitude forever.

After that, they felt Northern Ireland was beyond reform,” Moloney says. “After that she came to view her father’s view as correct. For many others the path was then a straightforward one into the arms of the IRA. Many more followed after internment came in.”

Whatever one’s feeling about the Troubles, hers remains a sad story. She was married to the actor Stephen Rea from 1983 until 2003, but died in 2013 after taking a toxic combination of sedatives and anti-depressant medications. She had been on hunger strike in prison and had subsequently dealt with anorexia nervosa.

An incredibly sad upbringing and life all of which was a reaction to British injustice. No doubt her similar story has resonated throughout the 'empire' for generations.

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Re: Willie Frazer and FAIR
« Reply #949 on: June 30, 2019, 03:31:07 PM »
Have any of you read the book Say Nothing about the Troubles?

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« Reply #950 on: June 30, 2019, 04:45:05 PM »
Ludicrous. Some people actually listen to this sort of person too.
A lot of people do. For that reason, while I often found Willie Frazer to be comedy gold, he was a dangerous piece of work. He well knew it too.

Indeed.Not only brought up by a father and other relatives involved in the Glenanne Gang, who got their comeuppance, but heavily implicated in the brutal murders of innocent David McIlwaine and Billy Wright fanboy Andrew Robb in Tandragee. Ask David's dad what he thought of the odious p***k.

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« Reply #951 on: June 30, 2019, 06:55:47 PM »
Ludicrous. Some people actually listen to this sort of person too.
A lot of people do. For that reason, while I often found Willie Frazer to be comedy gold, he was a dangerous piece of work. He well knew it too.

Indeed.Not only brought up by a father and other relatives involved in the Glenanne Gang, who got their comeuppance, but heavily implicated in the brutal murders of innocent David McIlwaine and Billy Wright fanboy Andrew Robb in Tandragee. Ask David's dad what he thought of the odious p***k.


Was that his pub they were in that night?

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« Reply #952 on: June 30, 2019, 11:29:01 PM »
Ludicrous. Some people actually listen to this sort of person too.
A lot of people do. For that reason, while I often found Willie Frazer to be comedy gold, he was a dangerous piece of work. He well knew it too.

Indeed.Not only brought up by a father and other relatives involved in the Glenanne Gang, who got their comeuppance, but heavily implicated in the brutal murders of innocent David McIlwaine and Billy Wright fanboy Andrew Robb in Tandragee. Ask David's dad what he thought of the odious p***k.


Was that his pub they were in that night?

In Tandragee?  Yes it was. The reality is he was a bigoted man who have severe mental health issues and when you mix the two you end up with a dangerous person. The best way to remember him is to wipe him from history. Don’t give him the coverage in death that he craved in life. 

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« Reply #953 on: July 01, 2019, 10:42:51 AM »
Always remember at the moment that you might feel any sorrow for this man, two years ago he posted - Double Bed for Sale -Contact Mrs. Reavey.

This refers to the murder of three innocent Catholic brothers from the Reavey family outside Whitecross in their beds.

Mrs. Reavey was a woman of immense dignity and modesty and had to endure unjustified and untrue slurs about her sons from people like Frazer who made out that they were in the IRA, or were present at Kingsmills 

Utter nonsense.  They were a totally non-political family and always have been.  Just innocent Catholics butchered in their beds by Frazer's dad's gang. 

Hopefully this puts Frazer into perspective. 

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« Reply #954 on: July 01, 2019, 11:00:39 AM »
Well said Seany.
1 BIG CUP and 1 Cupeen so far....

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« Reply #955 on: July 01, 2019, 11:03:25 AM »
Always remember at the moment that you might feel any sorrow for this man, two years ago he posted - Double Bed for Sale -Contact Mrs. Reavey.

This refers to the murder of three innocent Catholic brothers from the Reavey family outside Whitecross in their beds.

Mrs. Reavey was a woman of immense dignity and modesty and had to endure unjustified and untrue slurs about her sons from people like Frazer who made out that they were in the IRA, or were present at Kingsmills 

Utter nonsense.  They were a totally non-political family and always have been.  Just innocent Catholics butchered in their beds by Frazer's dad's gang. 

Hopefully this puts Frazer into perspective.

Bang on. Ireland is a better place with him gone. After today there will be very little word about him and that is the way it should be.

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Re: Willie Frazer and FAIR
« Reply #956 on: July 01, 2019, 12:51:55 PM »
He was an utter cu*t. Now there's a few more I'd like to see join him.


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Re: Willie Frazer and FAIR
« Reply #958 on: August 09, 2019, 07:57:37 PM »
Bryson definitely taking over Willie's roll as the village idiot of Loyalism. Some craic on twitter today. He is in full meltdown mode after being caught out forging a signature.