Author Topic: The Official Tennis Thread  (Read 65324 times)

Estimator

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1329
  • St. Colm's Ballinascreen
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #900 on: February 23, 2021, 11:01:36 AM »
Head to heads,  is that your measure?  On those head to heads how many has Nadal won on clay? How many has he won on grass and hard court?
Nadal - Federer
A total of 14 matches have been in Grand Slams with Nadal leading 104. Nadal leads 60 at the French Open and 31 at the Australian Open, while Federer leads 31 at Wimbledon. The two have yet to meet in the US Open.

Nadal - Novak
The two have faced each other 56 times with Djokovic leading 2927. Djokovic leads 1512 in finals. Of these matches, 16 have been in Grand Slams with Nadal leading 106. Nadal leads 71 at the French Open and 21 at the US Open, while Djokovic leads 20 at the Australian Open and 21 at Wimbledon.

Nadal is clearly the GOAT.. on Clay!
Ulster League Champions 2009

Milltown Row2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24436
  • It was the Ref that did it!!
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #901 on: February 23, 2021, 11:05:46 AM »
Head to heads,  is that your measure?  On those head to heads how many has Nadal won on clay? How many has he won on grass and hard court?
Nadal - Federer
A total of 14 matches have been in Grand Slams with Nadal leading 104. Nadal leads 60 at the French Open and 31 at the Australian Open, while Federer leads 31 at Wimbledon. The two have yet to meet in the US Open.

Nadal - Novak
The two have faced each other 56 times with Djokovic leading 2927. Djokovic leads 1512 in finals. Of these matches, 16 have been in Grand Slams with Nadal leading 106. Nadal leads 71 at the French Open and 21 at the US Open, while Djokovic leads 20 at the Australian Open and 21 at Wimbledon.

Nadal is clearly the GOAT.. on Clay!

I wanted Angelo to get that info, I already have it in front of me. the timing suggest that he knows this!
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

Angelo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5373
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #902 on: February 23, 2021, 11:06:23 AM »
Head to heads,  is that your measure?  On those head to heads how many has Nadal won on clay? How many has he won on grass and hard court?
Nadal - Federer
A total of 14 matches have been in Grand Slams with Nadal leading 104. Nadal leads 60 at the French Open and 31 at the Australian Open, while Federer leads 31 at Wimbledon. The two have yet to meet in the US Open.

Nadal - Novak
The two have faced each other 56 times with Djokovic leading 2927. Djokovic leads 1512 in finals. Of these matches, 16 have been in Grand Slams with Nadal leading 106. Nadal leads 71 at the French Open and 21 at the US Open, while Djokovic leads 20 at the Australian Open and 21 at Wimbledon.

Nadal is clearly the GOAT.. on Clay!

It's funny though.

Djokovic is the greatest hard court player we have ever seen yet Nadal has more US Open titles than him and a better head to head record at the event too.
GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL

Milltown Row2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24436
  • It was the Ref that did it!!
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #903 on: February 23, 2021, 11:44:02 AM »
Head to heads,  is that your measure?  On those head to heads how many has Nadal won on clay? How many has he won on grass and hard court?
Nadal - Federer
A total of 14 matches have been in Grand Slams with Nadal leading 104. Nadal leads 60 at the French Open and 31 at the Australian Open, while Federer leads 31 at Wimbledon. The two have yet to meet in the US Open.

Nadal - Novak
The two have faced each other 56 times with Djokovic leading 2927. Djokovic leads 1512 in finals. Of these matches, 16 have been in Grand Slams with Nadal leading 106. Nadal leads 71 at the French Open and 21 at the US Open, while Djokovic leads 20 at the Australian Open and 21 at Wimbledon.

Nadal is clearly the GOAT.. on Clay!

It's funny though.

Djokovic is the greatest hard court player we have ever seen yet Nadal has more US Open titles than him and a better head to head record at the event too.

Who said he was the greatest? Is it his record on that surface? Or opinions?

What's Nadal's record v Novak at the Aussie Open?

Just accept that at the minute, while these lads are still playing and winning, that there won't be a GOAT until someone gets to the top of their tree and retires
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

Estimator

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1329
  • St. Colm's Ballinascreen
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #904 on: February 23, 2021, 12:14:30 PM »
Can the difference between Nadal's US Open and AUS Open victories be explained? Both hard court surfaces. Yet only one victory in Australia!
Ulster League Champions 2009

Angelo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5373
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #905 on: February 23, 2021, 12:31:38 PM »
Can the difference between Nadal's US Open and AUS Open victories be explained? Both hard court surfaces. Yet only one victory in Australia!

Bad luck?

Nadal has been in 5 Aus Open finals, lost 4 of them. He's been in 5 US Open finals, won 4 of them.

The Wawrinka loss will hurt most as he suffered a back injury in the first set and would most certainly have won it otherwise.
GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL

Angelo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5373
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #906 on: February 23, 2021, 01:15:38 PM »
In terms of slams final appearances

Federer 31 finals, 20 slams

Australia 7/6
France 5/1
Wimbledon 12/8
US 7/5

Nadal 28 finals, 20 slams
Australia 5/1
France 13/13
Wimbledon 5/2
US 5/4

Djokovic 28 finals, 18 slams
Australia 9/9
France 5/1
Wimbledon 6/5
US 8/3

The most interesting aspect of that is Federer, he's only been in 4 more hard court finals than Nadal. But has won 6 more hard court slams than Nadal - what you need to take into account here is when Federer won these and who he won these slams against.

Of his 11 slam wins on hard courts these were his final opponents:

Safin
Hewitt
Agassi (mid 30s)
Bagdathis
Roddick
Gonzalez
Murray x2
Nadal
Cilic
Djokovic (being 20)

Wimbledon is a similar enough tale:

Nadal x2 (Nadal being 20 and 21 for these two)
Murray
Philipoussis
Roddick x3
Cilic

In contrast to that Nadal would have won 3 of his 5 hard court slams v Federer and Djokovic in finals, 1 of his 2 grass court slams against Federer and 7 of his 13  clay court slams against Federer and Djokovic.






GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL

Milltown Row2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24436
  • It was the Ref that did it!!
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #907 on: February 23, 2021, 01:16:13 PM »
Can the difference between Nadal's US Open and AUS Open victories be explained? Both hard court surfaces. Yet only one victory in Australia!

With the Aussie open being down under its prevents left handed tennis players from winning
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

Milltown Row2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24436
  • It was the Ref that did it!!
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #908 on: February 23, 2021, 01:21:50 PM »
In terms of slams final appearances

Federer 31 finals, 20 slams

Australia 7/6
France 5/1
Wimbledon 12/8
US 7/5

Nadal 28 finals, 20 slams
Australia 5/1
France 13/13
Wimbledon 5/2
US 5/4

Djokovic 28 finals, 18 slams
Australia 9/9
France 5/1
Wimbledon 6/5
US 8/3

The most interesting aspect of that is Federer, he's only been in 4 more hard court finals than Nadal. But has won 6 more hard court slams than Nadal - what you need to take into account here is when Federer won these and who he won these slams against.

Of his 11 slam wins on hard courts these were his final opponents:

Safin
Hewitt
Agassi (mid 30s)
Bagdathis
Roddick
Gonzalez
Murray x2
Nadal
Cilic
Djokovic (being 20)

Wimbledon is a similar enough tale:

Nadal x2 (Nadal being 20 and 21 for these two)
Murray
Philipoussis
Roddick x3
Cilic

In contrast to that Nadal would have won 3 of his 5 hard court slams v Federer and Djokovic in finals, 1 of his 2 grass court slams against Federer and 7 of his 13  clay court slams against Federer and Djokovic.

It makes no difference to who he beat in the final or get to the final, same Nadal or Novak. And Nadal 'would have' WTF does that mean, christ the night.

If your granny had balls and all that. you'll find away to prop up your point good for you, it doesn't take away the 20 slams each by Roger and Nadal

As for the age, Roger is 39, he'll have played longer so he'll be in more slams than Nadal, (age 34) when Nadal is 39 he'll have played in more finals that Roger
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

Angelo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5373
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #909 on: February 23, 2021, 01:22:59 PM »
In terms of slams final appearances

Federer 31 finals, 20 slams

Australia 7/6
France 5/1
Wimbledon 12/8
US 7/5

Nadal 28 finals, 20 slams
Australia 5/1
France 13/13
Wimbledon 5/2
US 5/4

Djokovic 28 finals, 18 slams
Australia 9/9
France 5/1
Wimbledon 6/5
US 8/3

The most interesting aspect of that is Federer, he's only been in 4 more hard court finals than Nadal. But has won 6 more hard court slams than Nadal - what you need to take into account here is when Federer won these and who he won these slams against.

Of his 11 slam wins on hard courts these were his final opponents:

Safin
Hewitt
Agassi (mid 30s)
Bagdathis
Roddick
Gonzalez
Murray x2
Nadal
Cilic
Djokovic (being 20)

Wimbledon is a similar enough tale:

Nadal x2 (Nadal being 20 and 21 for these two)
Murray
Philipoussis
Roddick x3
Cilic

In contrast to that Nadal would have won 3 of his 5 hard court slams v Federer and Djokovic in finals, 1 of his 2 grass court slams against Federer and 7 of his 13  clay court slams against Federer and Djokovic.

It makes no difference to who he beat in the final or get to the final, same Nadal or Novak. And Nadal 'would have' WTF does that mean, christ the night.

If your granny had balls and all that. you'll find away to prop up your point good for you, it doesn't take away the 20 slams each by Roger and Nadal

As for the age, Roger is 39, he'll have played longer so he'll be in more slams than Nadal, (age 34) when Nadal is 39 he'll have played in more finals that Roger

Context makes a huge difference but of course you don't want to focus on the data.
GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL

Milltown Row2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24436
  • It was the Ref that did it!!
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #910 on: February 23, 2021, 01:31:56 PM »
What context? 'would have'?
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

Angelo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5373
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #911 on: February 23, 2021, 01:33:26 PM »
What context? 'would have'?

The context is that Federer made hay in a weak era and it's hard to make any reasoned argument that he would have 20 slams at this point of his career if he was born 4 or 5 years later.
GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL

Milltown Row2

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24436
  • It was the Ref that did it!!
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #912 on: February 23, 2021, 01:43:48 PM »
What context? 'would have'?

The context is that Federer made hay in a weak era and it's hard to make any reasoned argument that he would have 20 slams at this point of his career if he was born 4 or 5 years later.

Your opinion, that's fine. He wasn't born 4 or five years later, so that is another opinion. He'd have been younger and possibly fitter or as fit as Nadal and Novak.

With that reasoning he could have had more than 20
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

Angelo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5373
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #913 on: February 23, 2021, 01:50:10 PM »
What context? 'would have'?

The context is that Federer made hay in a weak era and it's hard to make any reasoned argument that he would have 20 slams at this point of his career if he was born 4 or 5 years later.

Your opinion, that's fine. He wasn't born 4 or five years later, so that is another opinion. He'd have been younger and possibly fitter or as fit as Nadal and Novak.

With that reasoning he could have had more than 20

Not an opinion, it's based on facts. Hewitt/Roddick/Nalbandian were top 4 players in the early stages of Federer's career. Hewitt and Roddick had slams won at the age of 20/21. Nalbandian and Roddick were younger than Federer, Hewitt about a year older. All these players were more or less washed up and has beens in the mid 20s when the likes of Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Tsonga, Berdych, Del Potro, Wawrinka etc entered the scene.

Federer himself struggled really badly from 2007 onwards.


GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL

Angelo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5373
    • View Profile
Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« Reply #914 on: February 23, 2021, 01:58:42 PM »
We'll take the 2006 Australian Open as an indication of what Federer was up against in his earlier years.

This was the field for what was his 7th slam at the time.




Not too many big names there. A grand total of 7 slams won by players seeded 2-32.

32nd seed Carlos Moya won a solitary French Open 8 years prior to that.
15th seed Juan Carlos Ferrero won a solitary French Open 3 years prior to that.
10th seed Thomas Johansson won a solitary Australian Open 4 years prior to that.
8th seed Gaston Gaudio won a solitary French Open 2 years prior to that.
3rd seed Lleyton Hewitt had tow slams, the last of which was won 4 years prior to that.
2nd seed Roddick had won a solitary US Open 3 years prior to that.


« Last Edit: February 23, 2021, 02:07:42 PM by Angelo »
GAA FUNDING CHEATS CHEAT US ALL