The Good American in Haiti

[muppet]

You mean like the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq? Israel has a massive nuclear arsenal thanks to the States. The chances of Iran attacking Israel are about the same as Ireland invading Germany.

I'm not aware of any reports that Israel has warned and is committed to blowing anyone off the map with said WMD's but hey, feel free to enlighten us here!

I think the world would be a far safer place if middle eastern countries were armed a bit more equally. Israel might refrain from bravely attacking stone age people with their F-16s and the US might avoid bravely attacking other bronze age societies.

That's the kind of dangerous passive thinking that will get us all killed.... how anyone could be seen to justify Ahmadinejad getting his hands on nuclear weapons defies logic...

But of course any opinion that doesn't want Iran & Iraq liberated razed to the ground must belong to a US hater.

No, of course not... Sure Iran's own citizens don't want there country razed to the ground either and are willing to die for the cause by being sentenced to Death by the democracy that is alive and well in Iran,
are they western propagandists also?

Where did I say to give Iran nuclear weapons. 'Evening things out' could also be achieved by stopping the disproportionate arming of Israel.

The death sentence is barbaric and centuries out of date, you'll get no argument there from me.
And as for Iran's version of democracy, it is pathetic, but for the US of all people to champion democracy and question elections.......staggering hypocrisy as usual.

The usual US policy of 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' has always been disastrous but knock yourself out. Remember Saddam & Osama were friends of the US but it's not as if you learn anything is it?   

[stew]

My quotation thingy is on the blink.

So you think that the world would be a safer place if all middle eastern countries had roughly the same amount of weapons capability, are you on f**king drugs or something.

Of course no middle eastern countries have ever went to war with Israel before.

I would think the world would be a safer place if one particularly aggressive regime, surrounded by backward countries, wasn't armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons and F-16s, yes.

I didn't say it would stop all wars but then this is more of the typical NeoCon style of argument. If I said that I thought Rooney was a good player the US response would accuse me of wanting to bomb Eastlands.

I wish Israel didnt have nuclear weapons but I am glad they have weapons to defend themselves, they have the right to defend themselves as much as anyone else. I am disgusted by their treatment of the Palestinians however I feel strongly that if they had the same technological capability as
their not so friendly neighbours they would cease to exists as a Country, I suspect you do also, which makes your desire to level the playing field so to speak interesting.

[Zapatista]

I wish Israel didnt have nuclear weapons but I am glad they have weapons to defend themselves, they have the right to defend themselves as much as anyone else. I am disgusted by their treatment of the Palestinians however I feel strongly that if they had the same technological capability as
their not so friendly neighbours they would cease to exists as a Country, I suspect you do also, which makes your desire to level the playing field so to speak interesting.

India and Packistan have a level playing field which seems to keep them from doing to eachother what Israel are doing to Palestine.

Russia and the USA are another example.

[muppet]

My quotation thingy is on the blink.

So you think that the world would be a safer place if all middle eastern countries had roughly the same amount of weapons capability, are you on f**king drugs or something.

Of course no middle eastern countries have ever went to war with Israel before.

I would think the world would be a safer place if one particularly aggressive regime, surrounded by backward countries, wasn't armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons and F-16s, yes.

I didn't say it would stop all wars but then this is more of the typical NeoCon style of argument. If I said that I thought Rooney was a good player the US response would accuse me of wanting to bomb Eastlands.

I wish Israel didnt have nuclear weapons but I am glad they have weapons to defend themselves, they have the right to defend themselves as much as anyone else. I am disgusted by their treatment of the Palestinians however I feel strongly that if they had the same technological capability as
their not so friendly neighbours they would cease to exists as a Country, I suspect you do also, which makes your desire to level the playing field so to speak interesting.

How dare you you f**king tosser. Every post I make here is in defence of lives whether it be American, Iraqi or death row inmates.

[stew]

My quotation thingy is on the blink.

So you think that the world would be a safer place if all middle eastern countries had roughly the same amount of weapons capability, are you on f**king drugs or something.

Of course no middle eastern countries have ever went to war with Israel before.

I would think the world would be a safer place if one particularly aggressive regime, surrounded by backward countries, wasn't armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons and F-16s, yes.

I didn't say it would stop all wars but then this is more of the typical NeoCon style of argument. If I said that I thought Rooney was a good player the US response would accuse me of wanting to bomb Eastlands.

I wish Israel didnt have nuclear weapons but I am glad they have weapons to defend themselves, they have the right to defend themselves as much as anyone else. I am disgusted by their treatment of the Palestinians however I feel strongly that if they had the same technological capability as
their not so friendly neighbours they would cease to exists as a Country, I suspect you do also, which makes your desire to level the playing field so to speak interesting.

How dare you you f**king t**ser. Every post I make here is in defence of lives whether it be American, Iraqi or death row inmates.

How dare I what? how dare I find it strange that if the scenario you suggested actually came to pass it would in all likelyhood mean the destruction of Israel?

Is it naive of me to think that you are not aware that there are those in the Arab world that want to kill each and every Israeli?
I dont think so

[Zapatista]

Is it naive of me to think that you are not aware that there are those in the Arab world that want to kill each and every Israeli?
I dont think so

The reverse is true aswell. Israel are actively killing off the Palestinians. Israel has friends in the Arab world too.

[Arthur_Friend]

My quotation thingy is on the blink.

So you think that the world would be a safer place if all middle eastern countries had roughly the same amount of weapons capability, are you on f**king drugs or something.

Of course no middle eastern countries have ever went to war with Israel before.

I would think the world would be a safer place if one particularly aggressive regime, surrounded by backward countries, wasn't armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons and F-16s, yes.

I didn't say it would stop all wars but then this is more of the typical NeoCon style of argument. If I said that I thought Rooney was a good player the US response would accuse me of wanting to bomb Eastlands.

I wish Israel didnt have nuclear weapons but I am glad they have weapons to defend themselves, they have the right to defend themselves as much as anyone else. I am disgusted by their treatment of the Palestinians however I feel strongly that if they had the same technological capability as
their not so friendly neighbours they would cease to exists as a Country, I suspect you do also, which makes your desire to level the playing field so to speak interesting.

How dare you you f**king t**ser. Every post I make here is in defence of lives whether it be American, Iraqi or death row inmates.

How dare I what? how dare I find it strange that if the scenario you suggested actually came to pass it would in all likelyhood mean the destruction of Israel?

Is it naive of me to think that you are not aware that there are those in the Arab world that want to kill each and every Israeli?
I dont think so

Stew, who exactly in the Arab world wants to kill each and every Israeli?

[stew]

Terrorist factions in the Arab world have made statements to that effect. Some fairly well known ones for that matter.

[Arthur_Friend]

Could you be more specific?

[muppet]

My quotation thingy is on the blink.

So you think that the world would be a safer place if all middle eastern countries had roughly the same amount of weapons capability, are you on f**king drugs or something.

Of course no middle eastern countries have ever went to war with Israel before.

I would think the world would be a safer place if one particularly aggressive regime, surrounded by backward countries, wasn't armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons and F-16s, yes.

I didn't say it would stop all wars but then this is more of the typical NeoCon style of argument. If I said that I thought Rooney was a good player the US response would accuse me of wanting to bomb Eastlands.

I wish Israel didnt have nuclear weapons but I am glad they have weapons to defend themselves, they have the right to defend themselves as much as anyone else. I am disgusted by their treatment of the Palestinians however I feel strongly that if they had the same technological capability as
their not so friendly neighbours they would cease to exists as a Country, I suspect you do also, which makes your desire to level the playing field so to speak interesting.

How dare you you f**king t**ser. Every post I make here is in defence of lives whether it be American, Iraqi or death row inmates.

How dare I what? how dare I find it strange that if the scenario you suggested actually came to pass it would in all likelyhood mean the destruction of Israel?

Is it naive of me to think that you are not aware that there are those in the Arab world that want to kill each and every Israeli?
I dont think so

You suggested that I want Israel destroyed you p***k. 

Every post I make here is as a pacifist. You are the Duyba supporting war mongerer. 

[Declan]

From Haiti to Palestine - amazing how any discussion on US foreign policy inevitably ends up here. Better men than me or you have tried to get to the bottom of it and after last week it's looking as bleak as ever.


"Palestine" is no more. Call it a "peace process" or a "road map"; blame it on Barack Obama's weakness, his pathetic, childish admission - like an optimistic doctor returning a sick child to its parents without hope of recovery - that a Middle East peace was "more difficult" to reach than he imagined.

But the dream of a "two-state" Israeli-Palestinian solution, a security-drenched but noble settlement to decades of warfare between Israelis and Palestinians is as good as dead.

Both the United States and Europe now stand idly by while the Israeli government effectively destroys any hope of a Palestinian state; even as you read these words, Israel's bulldozers and demolition orders are destroying the last chance of peace; not only in the symbolic centre of Jerusalem itself but - strategically, far more important - in 60 per cent of the vast, biblical lands of the occupied West Bank, in that largest sector in which Jews now outnumber Muslims two to one.

This majority of the West Bank - known under the defunct Oslo Agreement's sinister sobriquet as "Area C" - has already fallen under an Israeli rule which amounts to apartheid by paper: a set of Israeli laws which prohibit almost all Palestinian building or village improvements, which shamelessly smash down Palestinian homes for which permits are impossible to obtain, ordering the destruction of even restored Palestinian sewage systems. Israeli colonists have no such problems; which is why 300,000 Israelis now live - in 220 settlements which are all internationally illegal - in the richest and most fertile of the Palestinian occupied lands.

When Obama's elderly envoy George Mitchell headed home in humiliation this week, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu celebrated his departure by planting trees in two of the three largest Israeli colonies around Jerusalem. With these trees at Gush Etzion and Ma'aleh Adumim, he said, he was sending "a clear message that we are here. We will stay here. We are planning and we are building." These two huge settlements, along with that of Ariel to the north of Jerusalem, were an "indisputable part of Israel forever."

It was Netanyahu's victory celebration over the upstart American President who had dared to challenge Israel's power not only in the Middle East but in America itself.

[stew]

I dont see how I did that muppet, I said I found it interesting thats all.

I am not a war monger and I would have voted for W, the alternative was worse, when W ran for re-election I consider those candidates to be the two worst candidates to run at the same time in American history.

You need to mind that temper of yours muppet, it might get you into trouble someday.

[magickingdom]

i dont support the US policy towards israel and think it has been bad for america in a wider world context. israel needs to start respecting un resolutions, stand on its own 2 feet and live or die with the palestinians (dont worry they'll chose to live). i dont see any great love affair with israel in the american public and fail to understand the US gov position, even clinton bought into it more than most.

[muppet]

I dont see how I did that muppet, I said I found it interesting thats all.

I am not a war monger and I would have voted for W, the alternative was worse, when W ran for re-election I consider those candidates to be the two worst candidates to run at the same time in American history.

You need to mind that temper of yours muppet, it might get you into trouble someday.

How typical. A threat. 

But of course it arrives after I declare myself a pacifist. Now if I actaully had any weapons no doubt you would negotiate.

[muppet]

i dont support the US policy towards israel and think it has been bad for america in a wider world context. israel needs to start respecting un resolutions, stand on its own 2 feet and live or die with the palestinians (dont worry they'll chose to live). i dont see any great love affair with israel in the american public and fail to understand the US gov position, even clinton bought into it more than most.

Are you now a US hater?