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Angelo

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« Reply #7950 on: April 07, 2021, 01:06:59 PM »
What exactly is your point re this story, Louther? Legal settlements regularly include confidentiality clauses, so there's no issue with either party not talking about the details. So is your gripe with Donnchadh O Laoghaire for having challenged RT… in the first place? Are you advocating that a state media organisation should be permitted to make slanderous comments against people at will and should be free from the threat of being challenged on it?

That seems to be what he is arguing alright.
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« Reply #7951 on: April 07, 2021, 01:46:14 PM »
Iíll tell you what I think.

RTE or any media organisation should operate with the laws and be held accountable. Thatís a given. No excuse and in a lot of cases they get pulled and corrected.

In this case a sitting TD has pulled in a substantial payment. Obviously something was said. By who or what we donít know as it didnít cause a ripple at the time. It wasnít a reported story and caused any outrage. In July the story broke of the court proceedings and again, was little known of what was said. Now it has been settled and weeks later it has come out of the payment. As of yet, there hasnít been an official apology by RTE or Joe Duffy. It seems the TD was after the money and not interested in a public apology to clear his defamed name. Maybe that will come but itís fairly standard in such places.

I think the most important thing is to hold the state broadcaster to account and correct what they have said. From a TD this should be main driver of getting the record corrected. Not a six figure pay out for something that never caused a ripple.

Secondly, I expected the normal flood of usual suspects defending SF and them not having a clue whatís it about. They mad keen to hold RTE to account when it harms them, yet last week it was the devil for trying to protect itself from similar happening again when Joe Brolly wanted to talk without been checked.

Finally, back to the money. SF like to talk about state money, insurance reform and be seen handing back money in pay increases. But here we have a TD happy to pursue state money and take the money and run. Maybe itíll go to party funds or to charity but if this was settled a number of weeks back, why no formal apology and statement as to where the funds are going?

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« Reply #7952 on: April 07, 2021, 02:00:04 PM »

Secondly, I expected the normal flood of usual suspects defending SF and them not having a clue whatís it about. They mad keen to hold RTE to account when it harms them, yet last week it was the devil for trying to protect itself from similar happening again when Joe Brolly wanted to talk without been checked.


This is a bizarre point. The double standards is RTE are willing to facilitate and allow defamatory and unfounded allegations against SF without challenge yet when completely fair and correct points are made against the DUP by Joe Brolly, he is cut off. Can you explain why pointing out those double standards triggers you?


They allow Leo Varadkar talk unchecked, unchallenged about protestant members in SF and refer to them as a sectarian party - it was incorrect statement that was allowed go unchallenged yet they cut off Joe Brolly for fully verifiable comments on the DUP.

You're the one defending double standards here. RTE routinely allow unfounded allegations be made against SF but police and censor fair comments made against other political parties and representatives.

My issue is why is the person (Joe Duffy) not sanctioned for these comments. It's seems RTE are willing to facilitate a political agenda if they can get away with it and refuse to discipline their staff when they get found out on it. Where is the directive coming from?

Your post up there is just laughable hypocrisy.
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« Reply #7953 on: April 07, 2021, 02:04:22 PM »
SF are the party of double standards FFS, they couldnít even hold the same line on the abortion issue in the North and played the cowards card and sat out of the vote.

Constantly flipping on both sides of the border.

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« Reply #7954 on: April 07, 2021, 02:06:49 PM »
RTE or any media organisation should operate with the laws and be held accountable. Thatís a given. No excuse and in a lot of cases they get pulled and corrected.
Except that you go on to make a specific complaint about that very accountability process having been played out in the case of a SF member.

In this case a sitting TD has pulled in a substantial payment. Obviously something was said. By who or what we donít know as it didnít cause a ripple at the time. It wasnít a reported story and caused any outrage. In July the story broke of the court proceedings and again, was little known of what was said. Now it has been settled and weeks later it has come out of the payment. As of yet, there hasnít been an official apology by RTE or Joe Duffy. It seems the TD was after the money and not interested in a public apology to clear his defamed name. Maybe that will come but itís fairly standard in such places.

I think the most important thing is to hold the state broadcaster to account and correct what they have said. From a TD this should be main driver of getting the record corrected. Not a six figure pay out for something that never caused a ripple.
How do you know his motivation was financial? Perhaps a confidentiality agreement prohibits any apology giving specifics of the case, and perhaps a commitment from RT… that it cannot and will not say whatever it was that was said, ever again, and that this is the main motivator. Besides, even if his motives were financial (and you have no idea what he might intend to do with the money (it's not unusual for charities to benefit from such settlements for instance), it doesn't really matter, because if anyone, TD or otherwise, is slandered by the state broadcaster, they are perfectly entitled to challenge it, regardless of how important a potential payout is for them.

Secondly, I expected the normal flood of usual suspects defending SF and them not having a clue whatís it about. They mad keen to hold RTE to account when it harms them, yet last week it was the devil for trying to protect itself from similar happening again when Joe Brolly wanted to talk without been checked.
And how disappointing that there hasn't been any such "flood" of messages defending SF. Only two posters (myself included) have discussed it with you, and I for one am not discussing it in terms of SF. You're the only one who seems to be interested in the story due to the SF aspect. I'm discussing it in terms of the rights and wrongs of slanderous comments being made by a state broadcaster. I don't care what party you belong to or what your motivations are - if the state broadcaster slanders you, they ought to be taken to task. I find it revealing, that in this story, where a person was slandered by the RT…, your reaction is to fixate your criticise upon the victim of the slander.

Finally, back to the money. SF like to talk about state money, insurance reform and be seen handing back money in pay increases. But here we have a TD happy to pursue state money and take the money and run. Maybe itíll go to party funds or to charity but if this was settled a number of weeks back, why no formal apology and statement as to where the funds are going?
Possibly because it's is absolutely none of your business where the funds going. Nobody who settles a dispute out of court is under any obligation to tell you or me what they do with the money.

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« Reply #7955 on: April 07, 2021, 02:12:46 PM »
SF are the party of double standards FFS, they couldnít even hold the same line on the abortion issue in the North and played the cowards card and sat out of the vote.

Constantly flipping on both sides of the border.

You're the one here justifying double standards.

I take it you're too stupid to actually realise the web of contradictions you've spun for yourself.
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« Reply #7956 on: April 07, 2021, 02:15:20 PM »
SF are the party of double standards FFS, they couldnít even hold the same line on the abortion issue in the North and played the cowards card and sat out of the vote.

Constantly flipping on both sides of the border.

You're the one here justifying double standards.

I take it you're too stupid to actually realise the web of contradictions you've spun for yourself.

Deny. Deflect. Disappear.

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« Reply #7957 on: April 07, 2021, 02:25:54 PM »
Just an inane comment from you there.

You just had a post defending RTE for cutting off Joe Brolly as he made completely factual and verifiable comments on the DUP. He was censored for speaking the truth.

In contrast a week or so prior to that, RTE facilitated and enabled Leo Varadkar to make very serious charges that SF were a sectarian party because they had not Protestant representatives. Not only was he allowed make these charges unchallenged or unchecked, the accusations were completely and utterly false.

The fact that refuse to even accept and acknowledge the balatant double standards from the state broadcaster there just exemplifies the type of dinosaur you are.

It takes some brass neck from the likes of you to take the moral highground when you spend most of your time running around here justifying and excusing the indefensible.
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« Reply #7958 on: April 07, 2021, 02:53:24 PM »
Our resident Shinnerbots have made awful fools of themselves again here  ;D

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« Reply #7959 on: April 07, 2021, 02:55:20 PM »



Sidbots.
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« Reply #7960 on: April 07, 2021, 02:58:43 PM »
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« Reply #7961 on: April 07, 2021, 03:00:21 PM »
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« Reply #7962 on: April 07, 2021, 03:03:00 PM »
Poor Angelo is seething and can't debate  ;D

11/8 he ruins his keyboard with coffee this afternoon




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« Reply #7963 on: April 07, 2021, 03:06:18 PM »
Don't need to debate anything with a hypocrite like you, Sid.

You might only make up more false allegations like your last hysterical episode.

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« Reply #7964 on: April 07, 2021, 03:10:34 PM »
You never need to debate

You know everything

And you know absolutely nothing