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Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« Reply #5505 on: May 30, 2019, 05:07:47 PM »
Sinn Féin rapidly evaporating in the 26 after last week's elections.
Losing 2 of their 3 MEPs ( recount in South so small chance still) and around 70 Councillors.
Matt Carty calling for a root and branch review of where they went wrong.
Matt- start with ye're numpty of a "leader".

Just being against everything and complaining but offering nothing doesn't work.

Especially that there are less disgruntled people about with things improving. Coppinger and the likes gave that market cornered..

Also complaining about lack of housing while boasting about stopping housing developments
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« Reply #5506 on: May 30, 2019, 05:19:56 PM »
Sinn Féin rapidly evaporating in the 26 after last week's elections.
Losing 2 of their 3 MEPs ( recount in South so small chance still) and around 70 Councillors.
Matt Carty calling for a root and branch review of where they went wrong.
Matt- start with ye're numpty of a "leader".

Just being against everything and complaining but offering nothing doesn't work.

Especially that there are less disgruntled people about with things improving. Coppinger and the likes gave that market cornered..

Also complaining about lack of housing while boasting about stopping housing developments

In the North too they have paid the price for abstentionism in Stormont. They can't ride two horses. If they want to govern in ROI they need to show they're willing to do so in NI.
 

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Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« Reply #5507 on: May 30, 2019, 05:42:42 PM »
It’s good enough for them. Useless shower of pricks.

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« Reply #5508 on: May 30, 2019, 09:08:59 PM »
I can think of alot of things that have went wrong...

Last few years they have been too wrapped up in identity politics. That stuff plays well in the under 25s and on social media, but not in the real world.
Poor leadership from the top.
Preaching about Palestine all the live long day to people in Ireland. Reinforces the stereotype that they are a protest party.
I also know the abortion stance caused real resentment in the party outside of Belfast and Dublin.

It's a shame about the loss of MEPs, they had our back in EU, but let's be honest, Dublin and London will decide our fate.

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« Reply #5509 on: May 30, 2019, 09:25:06 PM »
Tales of bullying; Councillors leaving the Party;  Not allowing a Conscience vote on the Abortion legislation losing Ó Tóibín as a result and giving rise to Aontú........
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« Reply #5510 on: May 30, 2019, 10:00:11 PM »
I can think of alot of things that have went wrong...

Last few years they have been too wrapped up in identity politics. That stuff plays well in the under 25s and on social media, but not in the real world.
Poor leadership from the top.
Preaching about Palestine all the live long day to people in Ireland. Reinforces the stereotype that they are a protest party.
I also know the abortion stance caused real resentment in the party outside of Belfast and Dublin.

It's a shame about the loss of MEPs, they had our back in EU, but let's be honest, Dublin and London will decide our fate.

What was Aontú's share of vote in south?

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« Reply #5511 on: May 31, 2019, 03:40:04 PM »
Sinn Fein have a born leader in Pearse Doherty, but political correctness seems to have got in the way for now. Mary Lou, is a like able politician, but she just isn’t leadership material. Thone yoke from Tyrone, I wince every time she opens her beak. Every time that PWL appears on TV it must cost them 1000 votes.
The biggest issue and one no one seems to be looking at this in depth, is that nationalists in the north just aren’t bothering to vote. At a time when unionism is fracturing right in front of our eyes, the taigs have lost interest and can you really blame them?
You can't live off history and tradition forever

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« Reply #5512 on: June 07, 2019, 10:40:03 AM »
Whenever Colum Eastwood said this SF layed into him pretty thick even going to as far as to produce a wee video. Wonder will they do the same now Gerry has said the exact same?

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dont-rush-into-irish-unity-after-poll-without-a-plan-says-gerry-adams-38190115.html

Former Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams has suggested that a united Ireland should not happen immediately after a border poll in favour of it, as the lesson from Brexit was that a "referendum without a plan is stupid".

Eastwood if you remember said that there should be a special place in hell for those who call for border poll without a plan.
https://twitter.com/sinnfeinireland/status/1100826310899834885?lang=en

This is what hypocrisy looks like.


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« Reply #5513 on: June 07, 2019, 11:25:56 AM »
Good man Gerry...catching up with what I said here about 5 years ago.
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« Reply #5514 on: June 10, 2019, 10:00:17 AM »
SF and the SDLP need to start working together and stop the political point scoring and internecine feuding.

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« Reply #5515 on: June 26, 2019, 01:02:39 PM »
Sinn Fein registered 20 foreign trips after a Westminster watchdog began investigating visits to Venezuela by two of its MPs.

Some of the trips dated back to 2016, and included destinations such as China, Colombia and the United States.

All were registered on or after May 9 this year - in some cases more than three years after they took place. The details emerge in the latest Register of Members' Financial Interests published by Parliament.

Earlier this year Sinn Fein was criticised after it emerged that trips to Venezuela by Chris Hazzard and Mickey Brady, in 2018 and 2017 respectively, had not been registered. The MPs acted as international observers in elections which were marred by claims of vote-rigging.

Although their journeys were paid for at least in part with Venezuelan money, they were not logged with Westminster.

It led to DUP MP Gregory Campbell calling on the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner to investigate. Since then, a total of 20 trips by current Sinn Fein MPs have been registered. They include:

A visit to New York and New Bedford, Massachusetts, by Mr Brady, the Newry and Armagh MP. The visit, between March 10 and 18, 2016, was registered on May 9 this year.
A visit by Paul Maskey, the West Belfast MP, to Washington and New York from May 31 to June 4, 2016, also registered on May 9.
The visit to Venezuela, also by Mr Brady, between July 27 and 31, 2017, also registered on May 9.
A visit to New York by Elisha McCallion, the Foyle MP, between May 7 and 10, 2018, also registered on May 9.
A visit to Philadelphia by Orfhlaith Begley, the West Tyrone MP, between October 24 and 27, 2018, also registered on May 9.
In total, 17 trips were registered on May 9, and three more on May 22.

Mr Campbell, who is MP for East Londonderry, questioned why Sinn Fein had suddenly registered so many past trips.

He said: "Following the revelations that Mickey Brady and Chris Hazzard had failed to declare their role as observers at the (Venezuelan) elections, I lodged a complaint with the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards.

"The Commissioner responded by confirming that an investigation was under way.

"In light of that investigation it seems that in May, several months after the Commissioner confirmed her investigation, Sinn Fein MPs registered 21 separate trips on the Register of Interests at Westminster, stretching as far back as March 2016, when beforehand there had been very few registrations."

Mr Brady visited Venezuela for a congressional election in July 2017 and Mr Hazzard was there for a presidential election in May 2018. In both elections, there were allegations of vote-rigging.

The MPs travelled as members of delegations of international observers. The cost of their travel was met by CNE, the Venezuelan National Electoral Council, and they did not receive remuneration. It later emerged the trips were not registered with the House of Commons.

Sinn Fein had been heavily critical of DUP MP Ian Paisley's failure to register holidays to Sri Lanka, then lobbying on behalf of its regime.

Mr Campbell raised the Venezuela issue in the House of Commons in February.

At the time Sinn Fein deputy leader Michelle O'Neill told the media "there's no story here" and the Venezuela trip had been "absolutely declared".

A spokesperson for Sinn Fein commented: "Sinn Fein MPs often undertake international visits to promote the Irish peace process and to share the Irish experiences of conflict resolution and peace building.

"This is an important area of political work which, we hope, assists others in finding a negotiated avenue out of conflict.

"These visits are routinely publicised and never involve personal gain or advantage."

The spokesperson added: "We recently consulted with the Westminster Registrar and are happy to register all international travel."

A spokesperson for the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards said they do not comment on register entries by individual MPs.

Belfast Telegraph
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sinn-fein-suddenly-declares-20-overseas-trips-after-watchdog-probes-mps-visits-to-venezuela-38250111.html

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Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« Reply #5516 on: June 28, 2019, 10:48:16 AM »
Gregory would need to pay more attention to the holiday trips of his party colleagues.

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« Reply #5517 on: June 28, 2019, 12:15:15 PM »
Sinn Fein registered 20 foreign trips after a Westminster watchdog began investigating visits to Venezuela by two of its MPs.

Some of the trips dated back to 2016, and included destinations such as China, Colombia and the United States.

All were registered on or after May 9 this year - in some cases more than three years after they took place. The details emerge in the latest Register of Members' Financial Interests published by Parliament.

Earlier this year Sinn Fein was criticised after it emerged that trips to Venezuela by Chris Hazzard and Mickey Brady, in 2018 and 2017 respectively, had not been registered. The MPs acted as international observers in elections which were marred by claims of vote-rigging.

Although their journeys were paid for at least in part with Venezuelan money, they were not logged with Westminster.

It led to DUP MP Gregory Campbell calling on the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner to investigate. Since then, a total of 20 trips by current Sinn Fein MPs have been registered. They include:

A visit to New York and New Bedford, Massachusetts, by Mr Brady, the Newry and Armagh MP. The visit, between March 10 and 18, 2016, was registered on May 9 this year.
A visit by Paul Maskey, the West Belfast MP, to Washington and New York from May 31 to June 4, 2016, also registered on May 9.
The visit to Venezuela, also by Mr Brady, between July 27 and 31, 2017, also registered on May 9.
A visit to New York by Elisha McCallion, the Foyle MP, between May 7 and 10, 2018, also registered on May 9.
A visit to Philadelphia by Orfhlaith Begley, the West Tyrone MP, between October 24 and 27, 2018, also registered on May 9.
In total, 17 trips were registered on May 9, and three more on May 22.

Mr Campbell, who is MP for East Londonderry, questioned why Sinn Fein had suddenly registered so many past trips.

He said: "Following the revelations that Mickey Brady and Chris Hazzard had failed to declare their role as observers at the (Venezuelan) elections, I lodged a complaint with the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards.

"The Commissioner responded by confirming that an investigation was under way.

"In light of that investigation it seems that in May, several months after the Commissioner confirmed her investigation, Sinn Fein MPs registered 21 separate trips on the Register of Interests at Westminster, stretching as far back as March 2016, when beforehand there had been very few registrations."

Mr Brady visited Venezuela for a congressional election in July 2017 and Mr Hazzard was there for a presidential election in May 2018. In both elections, there were allegations of vote-rigging.

The MPs travelled as members of delegations of international observers. The cost of their travel was met by CNE, the Venezuelan National Electoral Council, and they did not receive remuneration. It later emerged the trips were not registered with the House of Commons.

Sinn Fein had been heavily critical of DUP MP Ian Paisley's failure to register holidays to Sri Lanka, then lobbying on behalf of its regime.

Mr Campbell raised the Venezuela issue in the House of Commons in February.

At the time Sinn Fein deputy leader Michelle O'Neill told the media "there's no story here" and the Venezuela trip had been "absolutely declared".

A spokesperson for Sinn Fein commented: "Sinn Fein MPs often undertake international visits to promote the Irish peace process and to share the Irish experiences of conflict resolution and peace building.

"This is an important area of political work which, we hope, assists others in finding a negotiated avenue out of conflict.

"These visits are routinely publicised and never involve personal gain or advantage."

The spokesperson added: "We recently consulted with the Westminster Registrar and are happy to register all international travel."

A spokesperson for the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards said they do not comment on register entries by individual MPs.

Belfast Telegraph
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sinn-fein-suddenly-declares-20-overseas-trips-after-watchdog-probes-mps-visits-to-venezuela-38250111.html

They will be gutted if it leads to a suspension from attending the HoC!
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Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« Reply #5518 on: August 05, 2019, 02:23:59 PM »
Cringe-worthy performance from Martina Anderson yesterday.

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« Reply #5519 on: August 05, 2019, 03:00:04 PM »
Sounded like it surely