Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[gallsman]

Arlene has written to O'Neill asking her to step aside while PSNI investigates.

Forget about the whataboutery and the DUP leveraging it for political gain. The undeniable truth here is that this is an issue SF have creted absolutely needlessly.

[armaghniac]

And you can have endless whataboutery, but SF did this knowing perfectly well what would happen afterwards, but undermining the public health was worth it to them.

[trailer]

See the SF twitterati have the whataboutery machine in full flow.

[yellowcard]

It was a bad misjudgement from SF and as expected their political opponents have revelled in it and sought to use it as an opportunity to gain some political capital. Stephen Nolan has since led the charge and set the news agenda again. I didn't think it would lead to calls for police investigations or resignations but it just goes to show how toxic politics are in this place. A complete shitshow has been unfurled again after a relatively harmonious period for the last 2 months. Some things never change.   

[imtommygunn]

Yeah I would agree with that HS. They needlessly walked into this one but there are people who no matter what they do will slate them for it. If they found a cure for corona virus there are two boys on this thread who would still slate them for it so it's hard to take anything they say on the subject seriously.

Likewise it's hard to take Arlene asking anyone to step aside seriously after the role in RHI.

Yep a shitshow is exactly what it is yc.

[illdecide]

Jumping into the middle of something here...SF are a bit thick at times and should have played this better but the irony of the DUP asking MON to resign is unbelievable. The sh1t the DUP have done and got away with over the years to call for MON's head is hypocritical at it's finest

[Angelo]

There's no arguing that it's a massive own goal from SF, really silly stuff that leaves themselves open to loads of criticism.

The thing that is very obvious once again, is that both north and south of the border they are held to much higher standards than their political opponents, across all divides. Two rotten state establishments trying to keep their status quo.

Generally the people who bemoan whataboutery are the ones who are walking, talking contradictions who only want to have one eyed commentary on matters, it's fairly easy to spot them here.

[armaghniac]

There is whataboutery everywhere on this. Indeed, much of the narrative against Michelle O'Neill is based on whataboutery - "What about people who didn't bury their loved ones the way they would have liked to...." So, not only is there selective outrage on the actual incidents, people are selective on the whataboutery too.

Though, I agree with gallsman, they needlessly walked themselves into this. Stupid decision.

Whatever about the language used, I don't think that it is whataboutery to point out that responsible  people did the right thing. Whataboutery  arises when other people's  acting the maggot is used  as a justification for you acting the maggot.

[JohnDenver]

You'd have to wonder if Nolan was around (and even twitter or social media) at the time of the Good Friday Agreement, would the people have voted it through?

He does nothing but stir up tensions and keep the sectarian flames burning.

[Angelo]

There is whataboutery everywhere on this. Indeed, much of the narrative against Michelle O'Neill is based on whataboutery - "What about people who didn't bury their loved ones the way they would have liked to...." So, not only is there selective outrage on the actual incidents, people are selective on the whataboutery too.

Though, I agree with gallsman, they needlessly walked themselves into this. Stupid decision.

Whatever about the language used, I don't think that it is whataboutery to point out that responsible  people did the right thing. Whataboutery  arises when other people's  acting the maggot is used  as a justification for you acting the maggot.

Who is justifying it?

I think people have admitted SF made a huge own goal here.

They are quite entitled to point out the differing reactions when others are guilty of the same transgressions though and screaming whataboutery at that point just show that the outrage is a little insincere.

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There is no accountability anymore. You could literally set kittens on fire and you'd be reelected and of course backed by your own party.

[Rossfan]

Time ye lads up North stopped listening to that Nolan yoke.
As for DUPUDA calling for O'Neill to resign....
Hypocrisy of the highest order and one certain way of making sure she doesn't resign.
She should never have been made SF 6Co leader in the first place but sin scéal eile.

[BennyCake]

There's no arguing that it's a massive own goal from SF, really silly stuff that leaves themselves open to loads of criticism.

The thing that is very obvious once again, is that both north and south of the border they are held to much higher standards than their political opponents, across all divides. Two rotten state establishments trying to keep their status quo.

Generally the people who bemoan whataboutery are the ones who are walking, talking contradictions who only want to have one eyed commentary on matters, it's fairly easy to spot them here.

That's exactly it. It all comes down to looking after themselves, their seats, their party and their big fat pay cheque.

[Taylor]

Time ye lads up North stopped listening to that Nolan yoke.
As for DUPUDA calling for O'Neill to resign....
Hypocrisy of the highest order and one certain way of making sure she doesn't resign.
She should never have been made SF 6Co leader in the first place but sin scéal eile.

Nolan is a blight on society in the North and it appeals to the lowest common denominator. Unfortunately this denominator has a vote and this is what keeps the two parties in power.

The only reason the DUP are now calling for resignation is to keep their voters onside - they know it will never happen but have to be seen to be calling themmuns out.

Works both ways mind you

[Mourne Red]

Time ye lads up North stopped listening to that Nolan yoke.
As for DUPUDA calling for O'Neill to resign....
Hypocrisy of the highest order and one certain way of making sure she doesn't resign.
She should never have been made SF 6Co leader in the first place but sin scéal eile.

Nolan is a blight on society in the North and it appeals to the lowest common denominator. Unfortunately this denominator has a vote and this is what keeps the two parties in power.

The only reason the DUP are now calling for resignation is to keep their voters onside - they know it will never happen but have to be seen to be calling themmuns out.

Works both ways mind you

Yup, they've had a bad couple of elections so need to grab the unionist vote back to them. Was ridiculously stupid from Sinn Fein though - Marching/12th season is upon us you would have though someone in the party would have said "You know what guys, maybe attending isn;t the smartest idea" It's a stick to beat them with if they complain about social distancing etc once the bands inevitability go out now.

They need to be whiter than white to stop opposition parties painting them with the provo stick.. The funeral was one, yes commemorate if they feel they need to but do it once social distancing/lockdown rules are over. And their Social Media posts need to stop using the word comrade it comes across very military.

The battlefield is no longer in the street it is in the offices of Stormont and Dail