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Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« Reply #6255 on: May 20, 2020, 10:30:23 AM »
11+ plus, supervised it many a time, didn't really agree with it in principal, as its alot of pressure on children at a young age, but u don't dispose of sthing until the new procedure is up and running. Now children do multi exams and not even in their own school environment. That lies solely at Sinn Feins door as they forced through doing away with the test and didn't give a shit if a new process was in place or not.




No, it doesn't. SF made a recommendation after the Burns report. The test was removed by the Labour education secretary Jane Kennedy at the time because she felt the same way.

You're wasting your time redhand, I've provided the links to all the information and it's still the Shinners fault.

The thing is you're right in saying Kennedy did remove the 11+ and then subsequently Ruane tried to introduce profiling but was gerrymandered in her attempts at Stormont.

The amount of ignorance about how the 11+ was abolished is unbelievable, even amongst educated people. We were under direct rule when the 11+ was abolished but somehow its the shinners fault.

But we’ve always been at war with Eurasia. That’s what this reads like.

Sinn Fein may have been denied the opportunity to kick the winning point, but they put together the team, led the training, drove the bus, briefed the media and even put up all the bunting.

Now 20 years on, they want no part in that victory.


Rewrite history all you want lads.
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« Reply #6256 on: May 20, 2020, 01:53:56 PM »
Jim Wells and Gavin Robinson trying to rewrite GFA at the minute, saying any Irish identity or citizenship someone born in the North has is merely in addition to their Britishness.
"Never mind your why. Why ain't in your repetoire no more n***a"

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« Reply #6257 on: May 20, 2020, 01:58:01 PM »
Jim Wells and Gavin Robinson trying to rewrite GFA at the minute, saying any Irish identity or citizenship someone born in the North has is merely in addition to their Britishness.

Whilst the DUP weren't ever there at it's inception.


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« Reply #6258 on: May 20, 2020, 06:42:00 PM »
SF leading from the front would say within 15 years border will be gone imo.Conor Murphy is a top class Finance Minster who is looking after the disadvantaged.Deirdre Hargey has been even more impressive with the speed she has managed to get on top of her brief.

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« Reply #6259 on: May 20, 2020, 07:58:59 PM »
SF leading from the front would say within 15 years border will be gone imo.Conor Murphy is a top class Finance Minster who is looking after the disadvantaged.Deirdre Hargey has been even more impressive with the speed she has managed to get on top of her brief.

JC goes to get popcorn....

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« Reply #6260 on: May 20, 2020, 08:52:28 PM »
SF leading from the front would say within 15 years border will be gone imo.Conor Murphy is a top class Finance Minster who is looking after the disadvantaged.Deirdre Hargey has been even more impressive with the speed she has managed to get on top of her brief.

Has to be a wind up

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« Reply #6261 on: May 21, 2020, 08:54:56 AM »
SF leading from the front would say within 15 years border will be gone imo.Conor Murphy is a top class Finance Minster who is looking after the disadvantaged.Deirdre Hargey has been even more impressive with the speed she has managed to get on top of her brief.

JC goes to get popcorn....

I would have done alright  ;D

Skeog must be a shinnerbot  8)  (Need to get a balaclava emoji)

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« Reply #6262 on: May 21, 2020, 09:47:43 AM »
https://twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/1263181863457357829?s=19
I know it's the Newsletter but you'd be concerned at some of the SF bluffing

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« Reply #6263 on: May 21, 2020, 12:04:44 PM »
 Just stating you need SF to stand up to the DUP who mightnt be as generous when it comes to helping people in need.

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« Reply #6264 on: May 21, 2020, 12:11:43 PM »
SF leading from the front would say within 15 years border will be gone imo.Conor Murphy is a top class Finance Minster who is looking after the disadvantaged.Deirdre Hargey has been even more impressive with the speed she has managed to get on top of her brief.

JC goes to get popcorn....

She is signing off on stuff her senior civil servants decide on, and I know people that have worked directly with her in Department For Communities would have the opposite opinion of you

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« Reply #6265 on: May 21, 2020, 12:15:24 PM »
Jim Wells and Gavin Robinson trying to rewrite GFA at the minute, saying any Irish identity or citizenship someone born in the North has is merely in addition to their Britishness.
Gavin Robinson is correct, this has been discussed other threads here.
It is the British Nationality Act 1981 which defines citizenship inside the UK. Afaiu,  that 1981 act would need to be updated to incorporate any GFA clause on nationality or identity or citizenship .

As it stands now, to take a simple example
A NI born footballer qualifies to play for the IFA team only due to their British nationality.
the same footballer qualifies to play for the FAI only  due to their Irish nationality.

The part in this dual nationality issue that puzzles me is that Emma DeSouza  was correctly  recognised as being a British national because she did not go through the process of giving up her British nationality,  however the Home Office did not recognise her as being a British citizen because she did not have a British passport.
They said she had to apply for a passport in order to be regarded as a British citizen.

But the the 1981  British Nationality Act clearly states "A person born in the United Kingdom or in a qualifying territory shall be a British citizen"
It says nothing about having to have a British passport in order to be recognised as a citizen by the Home Office..



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« Reply #6266 on: May 23, 2020, 11:32:15 PM »
Definitely had a soft spot for McGuinness but some of the stuff on Twitter etc making me a bit queasy, Martina Anderson and the likes saying  "our Chieftain" is cringy. The bots are in hypnotic trance tonight i can tell you that

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« Reply #6267 on: May 23, 2020, 11:56:17 PM »
Jim Wells and Gavin Robinson trying to rewrite GFA at the minute, saying any Irish identity or citizenship someone born in the North has is merely in addition to their Britishness.
Gavin Robinson is correct, this has been discussed other threads here.
It is the British Nationality Act 1981 which defines citizenship inside the UK. Afaiu,  that 1981 act would need to be updated to incorporate any GFA clause on nationality or identity or citizenship .

As it stands now, to take a simple example
A NI born footballer qualifies to play for the IFA team only due to their British nationality.
the same footballer qualifies to play for the FAI only  due to their Irish nationality.

The part in this dual nationality issue that puzzles me is that Emma DeSouza  was correctly  recognised as being a British national because she did not go through the process of giving up her British nationality,  however the Home Office did not recognise her as being a British citizen because she did not have a British passport.
They said she had to apply for a passport in order to be regarded as a British citizen.

But the the 1981  British Nationality Act clearly states "A person born in the United Kingdom or in a qualifying territory shall be a British citizen"
It says nothing about having to have a British passport in order to be recognised as a citizen by the Home Office..

So basically, the thing in the GFA about being in the north and being an Irish citizen, is absolutely meaningless?

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« Reply #6268 on: May 24, 2020, 01:20:01 PM »
Jim Wells and Gavin Robinson trying to rewrite GFA at the minute, saying any Irish identity or citizenship someone born in the North has is merely in addition to their Britishness.
Gavin Robinson is correct, this has been discussed other threads here.
It is the British Nationality Act 1981 which defines citizenship inside the UK. Afaiu,  that 1981 act would need to be updated to incorporate any GFA clause on nationality or identity or citizenship .

As it stands now, to take a simple example
A NI born footballer qualifies to play for the IFA team only due to their British nationality.
the same footballer qualifies to play for the FAI only  due to their Irish nationality.

The part in this dual nationality issue that puzzles me is that Emma DeSouza  was correctly  recognised as being a British national because she did not go through the process of giving up her British nationality,  however the Home Office did not recognise her as being a British citizen because she did not have a British passport.
They said she had to apply for a passport in order to be regarded as a British citizen.

But the the 1981  British Nationality Act clearly states "A person born in the United Kingdom or in a qualifying territory shall be a British citizen"
It says nothing about having to have a British passport in order to be recognised as a citizen by the Home Office..

So basically, the thing in the GFA about being in the north and being an Irish citizen, is absolutely meaningless?
Of course that part of the GFA has meaning, it is part of a international treaty, it's in the South's constitution, as good as law in Britian and is a foundation to move forward not backwards (the DUP's only gear).

However, the GFA did not give you that right to be an Irish national, you already had that automatic right at birth before the GFA.
And automaticaly being a British national at birth has not changed with the GFA. That's not a choice.
On behalf of her husband, Emma could only apply as a Brit national and present a brit passport to the Home Office. That's the bit that has the DUP jumping up and down about the superiority of the imposed british nationality over the Irish one and  are also saying they never recognised the GFA in the first place ;D
Apparantly, anything that assumes superiority for NI britishness, sends the DUP into a frenzy of good ol' fashioned Orange Order aparthiedism.
Another chapter is being written into the wierd and deranged world of the DUP.

But Emma could have applied as an Irish only national if she gave up her british nationality.
In my unofficial opinion, as it stands now should a Nordie give up their british nationality, their Irish only nationality would just be as equal as a british one.
I surmise that the GFA supports that.
As I have often expressed here, the Nordie who want to be identified as Irish only should give up their British nationality (and it should not cost anything).
Either that or have some change made to the Brit nationality act vis vis nordies who want the right to only use their irish nationality in all aspects of existance in the Empire.

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