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« Reply #5445 on: February 21, 2019, 01:02:20 PM »
I read somewhere earlier that only 8 of the 68 top PSNI officers are from a Catholic/Nationalist background?

The percentage of catholics in the PSNI is around 30% I think so no great surprise

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« Reply #5446 on: February 21, 2019, 01:14:49 PM »
I read somewhere earlier that only 8 of the 68 top PSNI officers are from a Catholic/Nationalist background?

The percentage of catholics in the PSNI is around 30% I think so no great surprise

Plus serious catholic recruitment only really happened from early/mid 2000s onwards so you would expect that percentage to be even lower as you go up the age profiles in the ranks. The early recruits are probably only now considered experienced enough to be viable options for the really senior roles.

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« Reply #5447 on: February 21, 2019, 06:39:48 PM »
Until SF allow recruits live in their own community the PSNI will continue to struggle to recruit Catholics.

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« Reply #5448 on: February 21, 2019, 08:25:07 PM »
Until SF allow recruits live in their own community the PSNI will continue to struggle to recruit Catholics.

When does SF ever stop them?

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« Reply #5449 on: February 21, 2019, 09:30:47 PM »
Until SF allow recruits live in their own community the PSNI will continue to struggle to recruit Catholics.

What does this mean? Clarify please.

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« Reply #5450 on: February 22, 2019, 09:03:20 AM »
There are a number of issues surrounding policing that the nationalist community need to address and it isn't good enough for SF reps to snipe from the side. The only way we will get Catholic recruitment in the police up to the requisite level is if as a community we fully embrace policing. That means accepting that there are people within it's ranks who's agenda, politics and outlook are at odds with ours, that means accepting that the RUC means something to the unionists and by extension some police officers. It means like Gerry and Martin with the 'RA change can only come within. It would be unthinkable if a Garda from Buncranna was forced to live in St Johnston and sneak home to visit family, so why is it acceptable for a police officer from Derry to have to move away and keep his occupation secret? Yes the hierarchy within the PSNI and the Federation need to become more inclusive but step by step. SF need to give leadership.

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« Reply #5451 on: February 22, 2019, 11:35:43 AM »
There are a number of issues surrounding policing that the nationalist community need to address and it isn't good enough for SF reps to snipe from the side. The only way we will get Catholic recruitment in the police up to the requisite level is if as a community we fully embrace policing. That means accepting that there are people within it's ranks who's agenda, politics and outlook are at odds with ours, that means accepting that the RUC means something to the unionists and by extension some police officers. It means like Gerry and Martin with the 'RA change can only come within. It would be unthinkable if a Garda from Buncranna was forced to live in St Johnston and sneak home to visit family, so why is it acceptable for a police officer from Derry to have to move away and keep his occupation secret? Yes the hierarchy within the PSNI and the Federation need to become more inclusive but step by step. SF need to give leadership.

Don't think Martin and Gerry and the 'Ra are the problem, moreso the dissidents prevalent in certain areas still.
Martin McGuinness in particular could not have been clearer on this around the time of the murder of Ronan Kerr IIRC.

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« Reply #5452 on: February 22, 2019, 12:10:08 PM »
There are a number of issues surrounding policing that the nationalist community need to address and it isn't good enough for SF reps to snipe from the side. The only way we will get Catholic recruitment in the police up to the requisite level is if as a community we fully embrace policing. That means accepting that there are people within it's ranks who's agenda, politics and outlook are at odds with ours, that means accepting that the RUC means something to the unionists and by extension some police officers. It means like Gerry and Martin with the 'RA change can only come within. It would be unthinkable if a Garda from Buncranna was forced to live in St Johnston and sneak home to visit family, so why is it acceptable for a police officer from Derry to have to move away and keep his occupation secret? Yes the hierarchy within the PSNI and the Federation need to become more inclusive but step by step. SF need to give leadership.

Don't think Martin and Gerry and the 'Ra are the problem, moreso the dissidents prevalent in certain areas still.
Martin McGuinness in particular could not have been clearer on this around the time of the murder of Ronan Kerr IIRC.
We could do more as a community to support catholic officers.

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« Reply #5453 on: February 22, 2019, 01:33:24 PM »
SF have supported policing and justice for over an decade now. They took the hard decision, even when a large section of the nationalist community was against it. But they dragged us along because it was the right thing to do.

They have condemned attacks on police officers unequivocally and without hesitation since then.

Of course, there are those who will exploit anything for political opportunism and will never be happy with anything SF do.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2019, 01:37:41 PM by RedHand88 »

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« Reply #5454 on: February 24, 2019, 10:30:55 AM »
If you want to imagine an Ireland with SF in power cast an eye towards Venezuela.

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« Reply #5455 on: February 24, 2019, 11:24:17 AM »
And they would claim to be the party that made everyone in the country a millionaire.

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« Reply #5456 on: February 25, 2019, 11:22:34 AM »
Liam Adams: Convicted sex offender who raped daughter dies

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47280312

Much like the Catholic Church - The IRA protected and covered up abuse to protect good republicans.


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« Reply #5457 on: February 28, 2019, 11:00:02 AM »
Very interesting


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/newton-emerson-stakeknife-case-will-cut-into-comforting-narratives-1.3737247
The Stakeknife story began opening people’s eyes to a more complicated vista, where the security forces had not so much infiltrated paramilitaries as managed them, cultivating and protecting leaderships they could do business with as everyone inched towards the peace process – a process far longer and bloodier than its visible culmination in the Belfast Agreement
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« Reply #5458 on: February 28, 2019, 11:52:02 AM »
Very interesting


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/newton-emerson-stakeknife-case-will-cut-into-comforting-narratives-1.3737247
The Stakeknife story began opening people’s eyes to a more complicated vista, where the security forces had not so much infiltrated paramilitaries as managed them, cultivating and protecting leaderships they could do business with as everyone inched towards the peace process – a process far longer and bloodier than its visible culmination in the Belfast Agreement

Been trying to make this point for a long time. The IRA were more or less in cohorts with British Army and British Government. Colluding with them. Giving up lower ranked members in order to keep cover on the very, very senior IRA members in public and not so public roles and also good decent republicans around border areas.
Remember the IRA tortured and intimidated their own so called communities far more than loyalists or the British.

Could be awkward for Sinn Fein and some senior members of the IRA.

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« Reply #5459 on: February 28, 2019, 01:17:06 PM »
Very interesting


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/newton-emerson-stakeknife-case-will-cut-into-comforting-narratives-1.3737247
The Stakeknife story began opening people’s eyes to a more complicated vista, where the security forces had not so much infiltrated paramilitaries as managed them, cultivating and protecting leaderships they could do business with as everyone inched towards the peace process – a process far longer and bloodier than its visible culmination in the Belfast Agreement

Been trying to make this point for a long time. The IRA were more or less in cohorts with British Army and British Government. Colluding with them. Giving up lower ranked members in order to keep cover on the very, very senior IRA members in public and not so public roles and also good decent republicans around border areas.
Remember the IRA tortured and intimidated their own so called communities far more than loyalists or the British.

Could be awkward for Sinn Fein and some senior members of the IRA.

Depends if you consider murder of civilians in those communities a form or torture and intimidation or not I suppose.