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Re: The Fine Gael thread
« Reply #2220 on: March 04, 2019, 10:32:25 PM »
I would imagine the chances of Fine Gael winning 2 seats is pretty slim.

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« Reply #2221 on: March 04, 2019, 10:38:07 PM »
The SDLP were supposed to be the sister party of the Labour Party, instead they formed an Alliance with FF and now their former leader is standing for FG. Itís hard to know what they stand for.

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Re: The Fine Gael thread
« Reply #2222 on: March 04, 2019, 11:57:07 PM »
The SDLP were supposed to be the sister party of the Labour Party, instead they formed an Alliance with FF and now their former leader is standing for FG. Itís hard to know what they stand for.
The SDLP nominally is linked to the British Labour party and their MPs in the past have informally taken the Labour whip, but the SDLP has for most of its history been a large tent party within the confines of Irish Nationalism in the North, ranging from Democratic Socialists on one side to Christian Democrats on the others with various levels in between. It's perhaps not surprising that since John Hume and Seamus Mallon left public office (and their relationship was often, in private, strained) that the party has lacked cohesion outside of simply being a nationalist centre to centre left political party. For that reason the decision to align themselves with Fianna FaŪl very recently was never going to be without issues. But it's not just a recent problem - I've lost count over the years of the amount of councillors that were elected on SDLP tickets that later on resigned whilst still holding office, and that's just within Omagh/Strabane/Fermanagh on their own.
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Re: The Fine Gael thread
« Reply #2223 on: March 05, 2019, 01:12:37 AM »
Austin Currie too joined Fine Gael. The Garrett Fitzgerald/social democratic wing of Fine Gael was always a natural fit for SDLP. Surprised they went with FF.

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Re: The Fine Gael thread
« Reply #2224 on: March 16, 2019, 01:31:49 PM »
Is this a Fine Gael thing with their party leaders? Enda Kenny felt compelled to make almost snide comments, preachy -  'we're better that you are, you slob' in a traditional White House  Patrick's day speech  with the US president next to him.
Now I see Varadkar was making comments on the front lawn of VP Pence and his missus, both known conservative outspoken opponents of civil rights for LGBTQ. Was it not enough for Varadkar just to bring his partner to their house and have a private chat inside but had to shout out loud on the lawn to the worlds press, while Pence and missus were within earshot with fixed grins? Could he not have had the respect to hold his tongue and make the comments some other place, rather than on the front lawn of his gracious host?

Next we'll see Varadkar at some function where he's in the presence of Tipperary's finest, Michael Lowry, wearing a tee-shirt emblazoned  with the slogan "Unlike Mike, I'm clean"

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« Reply #2225 on: March 16, 2019, 01:40:44 PM »
Is this a Fine Gael thing with their party leaders? Enda Kenny felt compelled to make almost snide comments, preachy -  'we're better that you are, you slob' in a traditional White House  Patrick's day speech  with the US president next to him.
Now I see Varadkar was making comments on the front lawn of VP Pence and his missus, both known conservative outspoken opponents of civil rights for LGBTQ. Was it not enough for Varadkar just to bring his partner to their house and have a private chat inside but had to shout out loud on the lawn to the worlds press, while Pence and missus were within earshot with fixed grins? Could he not have had the respect to hold his tongue and make the comments some other place, rather than on the front lawn of his gracious host?

Next we'll see Varadkar at some function where he's in the presence of Tipperary's finest, Michael Lowry, wearing a tee-shirt emblazoned  with the slogan "Unlike Mike, I'm clean"

Yeah, Leo the homo should just know his place....   ::)

Wise up for f**ks sake.

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« Reply #2226 on: March 17, 2019, 12:47:51 AM »
Is this a Fine Gael thing with their party leaders? Enda Kenny felt compelled to make almost snide comments, preachy -  'we're better that you are, you slob' in a traditional White House  Patrick's day speech  with the US president next to him.
Now I see Varadkar was making comments on the front lawn of VP Pence and his missus, both known conservative outspoken opponents of civil rights for LGBTQ. Was it not enough for Varadkar just to bring his partner to their house and have a private chat inside but had to shout out loud on the lawn to the worlds press, while Pence and missus were within earshot with fixed grins? Could he not have had the respect to hold his tongue and make the comments some other place, rather than on the front lawn of his gracious host?

Next we'll see Varadkar at some function where he's in the presence of Tipperary's finest, Michael Lowry, wearing a tee-shirt emblazoned  with the slogan "Unlike Mike, I'm clean"

I thought his comments were fair enough tbh

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« Reply #2227 on: March 17, 2019, 09:46:36 AM »
Is this a Fine Gael thing with their party leaders? Enda Kenny felt compelled to make almost snide comments, preachy -  'we're better that you are, you slob' in a traditional White House  Patrick's day speech  with the US president next to him.
Now I see Varadkar was making comments on the front lawn of VP Pence and his missus, both known conservative outspoken opponents of civil rights for LGBTQ. Was it not enough for Varadkar just to bring his partner to their house and have a private chat inside but had to shout out loud on the lawn to the worlds press, while Pence and missus were within earshot with fixed grins? Could he not have had the respect to hold his tongue and make the comments some other place, rather than on the front lawn of his gracious host?

Next we'll see Varadkar at some function where he's in the presence of Tipperary's finest, Michael Lowry, wearing a tee-shirt emblazoned  with the slogan "Unlike Mike, I'm clean"

I thought his comments were fair enough tbh
His comments were fair enough, just I'd question the location and the occasion that he chose to make them.

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« Reply #2228 on: March 17, 2019, 02:23:34 PM »
Is this a Fine Gael thing with their party leaders? Enda Kenny felt compelled to make almost snide comments, preachy -  'we're better that you are, you slob' in a traditional White House  Patrick's day speech  with the US president next to him.
Now I see Varadkar was making comments on the front lawn of VP Pence and his missus, both known conservative outspoken opponents of civil rights for LGBTQ. Was it not enough for Varadkar just to bring his partner to their house and have a private chat inside but had to shout out loud on the lawn to the worlds press, while Pence and missus were within earshot with fixed grins? Could he not have had the respect to hold his tongue and make the comments some other place, rather than on the front lawn of his gracious host?

Next we'll see Varadkar at some function where he's in the presence of Tipperary's finest, Michael Lowry, wearing a tee-shirt emblazoned  with the slogan "Unlike Mike, I'm clean"


You are entitled to your view but I think you called this one completely wrong for at least 2 reasons are very far removed from where the majority of Irish opinion is right now.

There is a whiff of the old angle that any visual or verbal confirmation of gayness is ramming it down your throat

Across the globe we see politicians glamourised by their hosts and kowtowed into not calling out their objectionable views/actions. Good to see someone step away from the usual crap

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Re: The Fine Gael thread
« Reply #2229 on: March 17, 2019, 05:14:22 PM »
Is this a Fine Gael thing with their party leaders? Enda Kenny felt compelled to make almost snide comments, preachy -  'we're better that you are, you slob' in a traditional White House  Patrick's day speech  with the US president next to him.
Now I see Varadkar was making comments on the front lawn of VP Pence and his missus, both known conservative outspoken opponents of civil rights for LGBTQ. Was it not enough for Varadkar just to bring his partner to their house and have a private chat inside but had to shout out loud on the lawn to the worlds press, while Pence and missus were within earshot with fixed grins? Could he not have had the respect to hold his tongue and make the comments some other place, rather than on the front lawn of his gracious host?

Next we'll see Varadkar at some function where he's in the presence of Tipperary's finest, Michael Lowry, wearing a tee-shirt emblazoned  with the slogan "Unlike Mike, I'm clean"



You are entitled to your view but I think you called this one completely wrong for at least 2 reasons are very far removed from where the majority of Irish opinion is right now.

There is a whiff of the old angle that any visual or verbal confirmation of gayness is ramming it down your throat

Across the globe we see politicians glamourised by their hosts and kowtowed into not calling out their objectionable views/actions. Good to see someone step away from the usual crap
Bull on the whiff of visual or verbal confirmation of gayness.
This is not unlike Varadkar's totally inappropriate smug intervention in the presidential election process, he can't resist the little dig about how stupid you are and he has to spell it out for you. It's the holier that thou attitude which he shares with Kenny, when Kenny visited the White House.
This is about bland elected leaders of the country acting as if they are in fact, Martin Luther King when invited to grand palaces abroad.

You've let recent changes in Ireland go to your head.
You'd think Ireland was some go ahead progressive country for decades, instead of a society which has dragged its feet on most every social discrimination issue. Still to this day a very sizeable section of society  (a majority?) openly  exhibits intolerance, hatred, racism, or rampant bigotry towards Travellers, the bottom section of society on the equality scale.
Divorce? partially allowed in the mid 1990s, just how socially primitive can you get?  the rot of clergy everywhere.
And if you take in Ireland as a 32 county entity, as Varadkar implied he was representing at the Chicago parade, just how much bigotry, sexism and ignorance can you measure in the north.
There are plenty of ignored/evident social issues of discrimination  closer to home which offer ample opportunity for Varadkar to give an enlightened input.
 

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Re: The Fine Gael thread
« Reply #2230 on: March 17, 2019, 07:45:19 PM »
Is this a Fine Gael thing with their party leaders? Enda Kenny felt compelled to make almost snide comments, preachy -  'we're better that you are, you slob' in a traditional White House  Patrick's day speech  with the US president next to him.
Now I see Varadkar was making comments on the front lawn of VP Pence and his missus, both known conservative outspoken opponents of civil rights for LGBTQ. Was it not enough for Varadkar just to bring his partner to their house and have a private chat inside but had to shout out loud on the lawn to the worlds press, while Pence and missus were within earshot with fixed grins? Could he not have had the respect to hold his tongue and make the comments some other place, rather than on the front lawn of his gracious host?

Next we'll see Varadkar at some function where he's in the presence of Tipperary's finest, Michael Lowry, wearing a tee-shirt emblazoned  with the slogan "Unlike Mike, I'm clean"



You are entitled to your view but I think you called this one completely wrong for at least 2 reasons are very far removed from where the majority of Irish opinion is right now.

There is a whiff of the old angle that any visual or verbal confirmation of gayness is ramming it down your throat

Across the globe we see politicians glamourised by their hosts and kowtowed into not calling out their objectionable views/actions. Good to see someone step away from the usual crap
Bull on the whiff of visual or verbal confirmation of gayness.
This is not unlike Varadkar's totally inappropriate smug intervention in the presidential election process, he can't resist the little dig about how stupid you are and he has to spell it out for you. It's the holier that thou attitude which he shares with Kenny, when Kenny visited the White House.
This is about bland elected leaders of the country acting as if they are in fact, Martin Luther King when invited to grand palaces abroad.

You've let recent changes in Ireland go to your head.
You'd think Ireland was some go ahead progressive country for decades, instead of a society which has dragged its feet on most every social discrimination issue. Still to this day a very sizeable section of society  (a majority?) openly  exhibits intolerance, hatred, racism, or rampant bigotry towards Travellers, the bottom section of society on the equality scale.
Divorce? partially allowed in the mid 1990s, just how socially primitive can you get?  the rot of clergy everywhere.
And if you take in Ireland as a 32 county entity, as Varadkar implied he was representing at the Chicago parade, just how much bigotry, sexism and ignorance can you measure in the north.
There are plenty of ignored/evident social issues of discrimination  closer to home which offer ample opportunity for Varadkar to give an enlightened input.

I agree with everything you say about Ireland. Be a bit kinder about Leo though