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« Reply #7260 on: November 21, 2018, 02:52:51 PM »
Given the job Michael O'Neill has done with Norn Iron coming from the LOI, it would be ridiculous to look past Kenny. He has a philosophy of playing which he implements wherever he goes, and tries to improve players to fit that style of play - rather than just shrugging his shoulders, saying we're crap and resorting to hoofing it - a la trap and the last days of Martin O'Neill.

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« Reply #7261 on: November 21, 2018, 03:16:17 PM »
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Id actually like to see Gordon Strachan in, done pretty well with a limited Scotland squad, failed to get them over the line then got hounded, 2 games after he was gone the Scotland fans were nearly falling over themselves admitting they made a mistake. Strachan is very good at getting results, i look at the celtic team he got to the last 16 of the champions league, good keeper strong but limited CB pairing and players with a lot of work rate. i think he'd do a good job

I hope to f**k this does not happen, an atrocious manager.  Just ask any Coventry, Middlesbrough or Scotland fan.

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Well thats it solved, get the managers out and then the results will change... So who will get the blame when the results stay the same? The FAI no doubt as they will have appointed said person, the problem is not the managers and their sidekicks, the problem is a shit squad of players..

Now there are managers who, with a limited squad did actually make teams perform above their station and believe it or not, MON was one of those managers.. Big Sam lined up 

Do you think the two boys should have carried on?

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« Reply #7262 on: November 21, 2018, 04:40:06 PM »
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Id actually like to see Gordon Strachan in, done pretty well with a limited Scotland squad, failed to get them over the line then got hounded, 2 games after he was gone the Scotland fans were nearly falling over themselves admitting they made a mistake. Strachan is very good at getting results, i look at the celtic team he got to the last 16 of the champions league, good keeper strong but limited CB pairing and players with a lot of work rate. i think he'd do a good job

I hope to f**k this does not happen, an atrocious manager.  Just ask any Coventry, Middlesbrough or Scotland fan.

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Well thats it solved, get the managers out and then the results will change... So who will get the blame when the results stay the same? The FAI no doubt as they will have appointed said person, the problem is not the managers and their sidekicks, the problem is a shit squad of players..

Now there are managers who, with a limited squad did actually make teams perform above their station and believe it or not, MON was one of those managers.. Big Sam lined up 

Do you think the two boys should have carried on?

Jobs for the old guard should be discarded as a way of thinking. No to McCarthy, Big Sam, Wee Gordon, Pardew, Bruce etc. 

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« Reply #7263 on: November 21, 2018, 04:54:20 PM »
No one on here believes Ireland have great players but do we have players good enough, for example, to threaten the defence of N Ireland. N Ireland should have scored 3 and their two forwards are playing in League 1. We have as poor a squad as we ever had but for god sake we still have player to be a relatively solid 3rd tier team at the moment.

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« Reply #7264 on: November 21, 2018, 05:02:43 PM »
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Id actually like to see Gordon Strachan in, done pretty well with a limited Scotland squad, failed to get them over the line then got hounded, 2 games after he was gone the Scotland fans were nearly falling over themselves admitting they made a mistake. Strachan is very good at getting results, i look at the celtic team he got to the last 16 of the champions league, good keeper strong but limited CB pairing and players with a lot of work rate. i think he'd do a good job

I hope to f**k this does not happen, an atrocious manager.  Just ask any Coventry, Middlesbrough or Scotland fan.

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Well thats it solved, get the managers out and then the results will change... So who will get the blame when the results stay the same? The FAI no doubt as they will have appointed said person, the problem is not the managers and their sidekicks, the problem is a shit squad of players..

Now there are managers who, with a limited squad did actually make teams perform above their station and believe it or not, MON was one of those managers.. Big Sam lined up 

Do you think the two boys should have carried on?

Jobs for the old guard should be discarded as a way of thinking. No to McCarthy, Big Sam, Wee Gordon, Pardew, Bruce etc.

Sometimes a bit of experience is hard to beat, especially given that our squad is/will be pretty inexperienced come the next round of qualifiers.

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« Reply #7265 on: November 21, 2018, 05:10:56 PM »
No one on here believes Ireland have great players but do we have players good enough, for example, to threaten the defence of N Ireland. N Ireland should have scored 3 and their two forwards are playing in League 1. We have as poor a squad as we ever had but for god sake we still have player to be a relatively solid 3rd tier team at the moment.

Who are these players? Granted this last while I've watched very little of the ROI but Shane Long, O'Dowda, O'Brien are not these players.
MON & Keane did a wonderful job. They constantly over achieved. They will be very hard acts to follow. FAI should consider a statue in honour.

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« Reply #7266 on: November 21, 2018, 05:17:05 PM »
Given the job Michael O'Neill has done with Norn Iron coming from the LOI, it would be ridiculous to look past Kenny. He has a philosophy of playing which he implements wherever he goes, and tries to improve players to fit that style of play - rather than just shrugging his shoulders, saying we're crap and resorting to hoofing it - a la trap and the last days of Martin O'Neill.

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« Reply #7267 on: November 21, 2018, 05:18:10 PM »
No one on here believes Ireland have great players but do we have players good enough, for example, to threaten the defence of N Ireland. N Ireland should have scored 3 and their two forwards are playing in League 1. We have as poor a squad as we ever had but for god sake we still have player to be a relatively solid 3rd tier team at the moment.

I do think O'Neil's time was up and he needed to go but think based on what we have there's no guarantee of qualifying for the Euro's even with 24 teams qualifying. I've just had a look at the Nations Cup tables and there's 20 better teams than Ireland; I'd put Ireland somewhere between 20-30 based on talent so qualifying for the Euro's is going to be a struggle.

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« Reply #7268 on: November 21, 2018, 05:20:32 PM »
Correct decision however the 2 men are getting alot of stick.  I for one will remember the great nights against Italy, Germany, Wales and Austria.  When our backs were against the wall having to win in Cardiff I was glad we had their experience on the bench.  I'm sure the players were helped when they looked over to the bench and seen Keane there.  Mr Trappatoni did not leave quite so many memorable nights!
Unfortunately problems arose against lesser or teams around our level.  I think more work could have been done at set pieces or on holding onto the ball more but what's done is done. 
I like the look of Kenny and hopefully it would work out better than the Brian Kerr era.  Chris Hughton is another however can't see him leaving Brighton.  We need a young manager with fresh ideas.  Get players to hold onto the ball more and allow them to make mistakes if it improves things in the long run.

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« Reply #7269 on: November 21, 2018, 05:24:46 PM »
O'Neill and Keane are gone  :-[

If the problem is the system it won't make any difference.
The FAI missed the boat on the development of young players and this is now a problem at senior level
It is not easy to fix. Mick O'Dowd said the Meath manager after the next one might start winning. Maybe it's like that. 

Losing attitudes are insidious. You have to drop people even if they have loads of experience when they have no belief. You have to build it in young players.
Ireland are disorganised and will be playing teams who aren't. It takes time for young lads to build experience. Kilkenny are learning that now.
Fan expectations are not realistic.

Look at how well the rugby team is doing but that took years to get right. 

If you look at Dunphy analysing the manager after the honeymoon period in videos going back to Staunton there is a constant theme.
I don't think it's been about the manager for the last 14 years.

I have an issue with the sentence in BOLD, it is simply not true.  Our underage teams are doing well, even more so since the implementation of the player development plan (PDP).  Last week, our u18s in an invitational tournament in Spain beat both Belgium and Holland, and lost unluckily to England after leading for most of the match.  The issue is that there's no connect (in the lifetime of O'Neill & Keane) between the underage structures and the senior 'structure', though I understand that there has been an appointment made in the last few weeks whose purpose is to introduce the appropriate players from the underage system into the senior system.  That has to be a positive development.

There's only so much you can do at international level in terms of development, are these youngsters playing at a good level for their clubs to warrant being called up?

I hear you - England have had probably the best underage setup in the last three years in Europe, and there seems to be a pattern emerging of their young 'stars' going to the European leagues to get first-team football.  Jaden Sancho is the one making a splash in Germany - got the Bundesliga player of the month last month and has made his England debut at 18, but can't get a sniff at a Premier League club.  Phil Foden is probably their midfielder of the future - gets an odd 10mins for Man City, if they are 6-0 ahead.  It's not just a problem for us - I actually think that youngsters are better off staying at home until they're 20-22 befoee heading for the championship, or better again to France, Belgium or Holland. 
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« Reply #7270 on: November 21, 2018, 05:32:05 PM »
BIG Sam  ;D

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« Reply #7271 on: November 21, 2018, 05:58:33 PM »
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Id actually like to see Gordon Strachan in, done pretty well with a limited Scotland squad, failed to get them over the line then got hounded, 2 games after he was gone the Scotland fans were nearly falling over themselves admitting they made a mistake. Strachan is very good at getting results, i look at the celtic team he got to the last 16 of the champions league, good keeper strong but limited CB pairing and players with a lot of work rate. i think he'd do a good job

I hope to f**k this does not happen, an atrocious manager.  Just ask any Coventry, Middlesbrough or Scotland fan.

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Well thats it solved, get the managers out and then the results will change... So who will get the blame when the results stay the same? The FAI no doubt as they will have appointed said person, the problem is not the managers and their sidekicks, the problem is a shit squad of players..

Now there are managers who, with a limited squad did actually make teams perform above their station and believe it or not, MON was one of those managers.. Big Sam lined up 

Do you think the two boys should have carried on?

I donít think they should have at all carried on into a new campaign if Iím honest.. they themselves should have stepped down, they obviously were not getting through to the limited bunch of players their tactics, rightly or wrong as those tactic are the players need to buy into them. It seems to me that wasnít the case now and based on the mediocre results that the dressing room was gone..

Another manager will come in and do the same, if the players buy into it theyíll get results, if not!  Ireland lacked passion in a lot of their games lately, be interesting to see who they get
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« Reply #7272 on: November 21, 2018, 06:39:35 PM »
Alot of managers use international football to build up their profile again, so they can get a club job again. International football is not what it was. Premier league and Champions Leahue is where they all want to be.

Sure look at Southgate, he was on the scrap heap. He only got another chance due to big Sam messing up. Heís done ok with Engerland, but if a top ten team comes in, heíll be away.

In reality, the Ireland job suits a semi retired older man. Someone who likes a bit of fishing in his spare time. Here, thereís a thought... :D

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« Reply #7273 on: November 21, 2018, 06:53:55 PM »
MON was the 4th highest paid manager in international football

Who is his agent? Must be a genius

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« Reply #7274 on: November 21, 2018, 09:17:20 PM »
No one on here believes Ireland have great players but do we have players good enough, for example, to threaten the defence of N Ireland. N Ireland should have scored 3 and their two forwards are playing in League 1. We have as poor a squad as we ever had but for god sake we still have player to be a relatively solid 3rd tier team at the moment.

Who are these players? Granted this last while I've watched very little of the ROI but Shane Long, O'Dowda, O'Brien are not these players.
MON & Keane did a wonderful job. They constantly over achieved. They will be very hard acts to follow. FAI should consider a statue in honour.

Here are some premier league players,  not saying they are top class but they are with premier league clubs none the less...

Coleman
Duffy
K Long
S Long
Hendrick
Arter
Obafemi
Christie
Brady
Ward
Cunningham
Clarke
Doherty

Mcclean, Randolph were recently also in premier league.

I also think o dowda and Stevens are capable of being premier league too. Now no doubt there are no world beaters there but is it unreasonable to expect us to be able to string a few passes together and make some chances? I don't think so.