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Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« Reply #6615 on: November 15, 2017, 12:25:25 AM »
Qualification hinged on late disallowed goal v Austria.

The loss of Seamus Coleman was also a key turning point in the campaign.

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« Reply #6616 on: November 15, 2017, 12:38:36 AM »
Qualification hinged on late disallowed goal v Austria.

Austria played ROI off the pitch that day .  The Walters goal could have been disallowed . ROI were very lucky over this campaign

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« Reply #6617 on: November 15, 2017, 12:42:06 AM »
In fairness we were awful against Austria and to win the match would have been robbery but its true that we were in a great position to top the group and then had 4 poor games getting only 3 points. For once can we qualify without going through the bloody playoffs

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« Reply #6618 on: November 15, 2017, 12:48:40 AM »
Ah well back to the 15000 a week job now for the players. Big one against Port Vale coming up.
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« Reply #6619 on: November 15, 2017, 12:58:53 AM »
Good point. We should pick our international team from 5 aside Footie players.

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« Reply #6620 on: November 15, 2017, 01:27:58 AM »
Good point. We should pick our international team from 5 aside Footie players.

Paul Geaney could hardly have a much worse strike rate than Murphy or Long if we tried him up front.

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« Reply #6621 on: November 15, 2017, 07:28:42 AM »
As long as the aspiration of Irish clubs is to flog players to the U.K. things won't change. Players brought up in the culture of Seville Ajax Feyenoord will always beat the players from Bristol Burnley etc
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« Reply #6622 on: November 15, 2017, 07:46:49 AM »
The bitching between players was unusual for an Irish team, collective spirit and organisation was always one of our strong points. The panic set in early.

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« Reply #6623 on: November 15, 2017, 08:07:46 AM »
As long as the aspiration of Irish clubs is to flog players to the U.K. things won't change. Players brought up in the culture of Saville Ajax Feyenoord will always beat the players from Bristol Burnley etc
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« Reply #6624 on: November 15, 2017, 08:22:41 AM »
Good point. We should pick our international team from 5 aside Footie players.

Paul Geaney could hardly have a much worse strike rate than Murphy or Long if we tried him up front.

Chris Barrett wouldíve take Erikson out of the game.
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« Reply #6625 on: November 15, 2017, 08:52:05 AM »
I think the RTE panel, overall, called it correctly.

Very poor individual performances, but at half time we're 1-2 down. We have 45 minutes to score two goals and concede none.

Would anybody on the board have put out a midfield of Brady & Hendrick sitting deep, McClean and Hoolahan occupying the same position centrally and McGeady on the wing? I'm genuinely wondering. Maybe I didn't see it properly and the positions were different, but they were the players playing across our midfield.

We might have lost by four goals regardless. But does anyone think that that was the way to go about winning the game?

Was it not working up until they scored 2 in 3 mins? Sloppy defending but of course that was MONís fault!

Seems most people would prefer a gun ho swashbuckling style of football!! Attack attack exciting! Well thatís what happens when a limited team tries to win games! They get dicked, Martin is working with limited players, itís simple make yourself difficult to beat and score from a set piece or catch a team on the break..
It's very difficult to discuss or debate with you. Who asked for anything swashbuckling? This thread is full of comments like this. Barcelona get mentioned. Who ever said we should play like Barcelona?

To answer your question, if it is a serious question, it was never working; we were opened up before the goal. What exactly "it" was is what I was querying. What system were they sent out to play in the second half? Was Brady playing a defensive midfield role? If so, do you, or anyone, think that was a good move? Where was McClean supposed to be playing?

The irony is that I think he was too swashbuckling, as you put it, so did Hamann, Brady and Dunphy. Changes were needed for sure. But to empty the position that the opposition's danger man occupies makes no sense to me.

So instead of typing a general reply such as the one you did, why don't you address the questions I've asked? Or maybe you actually do believe that it's a case of "make yourself difficult to beat and score from a set piece or catch a team on the break.."?

When they score 2 goals in 3 minutes in a playoff, meaning you have to score 2 minimum to win the game then you have to go all out, he'd no choice as his defenders couldn't defend, couldn't pick up loose players.

Yes and I believe it is a case when you have a very limited team to make yourself difficult to break be strong in the back and work very hard on counter attacking and set pieces...If you believe that Ireland have players in that whole squad that could compete on a one to one with most Euro teams then you are mistaken, they don't.. play to your strengths.. keep the system for all your games home away, never going to win the World cup but to get to the finals is the prize, the money can then be put into the development of the youth systems around the country, thats the real prize..

sorry if thats a general reply as yours wouldnt have made a difference whatever the set up would have been in the second half
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Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« Reply #6626 on: November 15, 2017, 08:57:19 AM »
Good point. We should pick our international team from 5 aside Footie players.

Paul Geaney could hardly have a much worse strike rate than Murphy or Long if we tried him up front.

Better off with Naomi Long

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« Reply #6627 on: November 15, 2017, 09:14:57 AM »
I think the difference in Iceland is the coaching - you are not allowed coach U10s in Iceland unless you have UEFA 'B' accreditation (if you had UEFA 'B' in Ireland you would have been coaching senior squads in the Leinster Senior League or equivalent).  The new FAI player development pathway (PDP) programme, introduced by Ruud Dokter seeks to change all this - recent results for our underage international squads have already shown a benefit from this programme, so I think the future is brighter than it was.

But we had great underage results in the past with the likes of Brian Kerr. Is the coaching in the clubs aligned to this PDP?

And we qualified for a WC with the fruits of Kerr's labours at u16 and u18.  And it is.  And all the leagues are committed to implementing the structures - you should have a read of it, it's very interesting, from a coaching perspective.
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« Reply #6628 on: November 15, 2017, 09:17:23 AM »
I think the difference in Iceland is the coaching - you are not allowed coach U10s in Iceland unless you have UEFA 'B' accreditation (if you had UEFA 'B' in Ireland you would have been coaching senior squads in the Leinster Senior League or equivalent).  The new FAI player development pathway (PDP) programme, introduced by Ruud Dokter seeks to change all this - recent results for our underage international squads have already shown a benefit from this programme, so I think the future is brighter than it was.

But we had great underage results in the past with the likes of Brian Kerr. Is the coaching in the clubs aligned to this PDP?

And we qualified for a WC with the fruits of Kerr's labours at u16 and u18.  And it is.  And all the leagues are committed to implementing the structures - you should have a read of it, it's very interesting, from a coaching perspective.

I read about it, but I was wondering how readily it's been adapted. And my point is what was Kerr doing that stopped being done, that is now covered off under this Dutch lad?

And finally, who is helping the Dutch now? :)

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« Reply #6629 on: November 15, 2017, 09:23:27 AM »
I think the difference in Iceland is the coaching - you are not allowed coach U10s in Iceland unless you have UEFA 'B' accreditation (if you had UEFA 'B' in Ireland you would have been coaching senior squads in the Leinster Senior League or equivalent).  The new FAI player development pathway (PDP) programme, introduced by Ruud Dokter seeks to change all this - recent results for our underage international squads have already shown a benefit from this programme, so I think the future is brighter than it was.
Do you think O'Neill would change his approach if a batch of skilled players came through?

I don't, but that's not the point.  With the implementation of the PDP, the idea is that we will 'breed' a new type of coach/manager that is not obsessed with the premier league in England.  I think Ruud Dokter has taken his 'inspiration' from Belgium and Denmark (funnily); their own leagues aren't high quality, but they do develop good players occasionally that make their way in the world. 
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