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« Reply #1155 on: April 20, 2019, 07:37:49 AM »
Thankfully there are elections coming. Excellent opportunity for the political wing of these people to step forward, explain their actions and set out their economic plan.

We are told time and time again that the Creggan is the poorest electoral ward in UK and this explains or possibly even justifies the support for these armed and active groups. I do not doubt the level of poverty in the area and the real and perceived lack of opportunity. I don’t doubt that the current economic system isn’t working for a lot of people and there is a lot of such people concentrated in one area.

What I really struggle with is how anyone in the Creggan thinks that sheltering, supporting, providing cover for or indeed taking instructions from a group willing and able to play around with guns and bombs on their doorstep, deal in drugs and enforce gangland punishments on other dealers is ever going to address the economic problems?

Right now playing with guns involves stepping from the shadows and shooting wildly into a crowd. The results are tragic. If the bullet had hit a copper would it have served that community any better?

Time for the people of Creggan to wake up to what’s going on.

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« Reply #1156 on: April 20, 2019, 08:32:23 AM »
DUP b**tards and Jim Allister falling over themselves to try and make political hay out of it. Gobshites.

RIP Lyra McKee.

As were Sinn Féin Mary Lou really is hard to stomach.

Was in creggan today and it all smacked of political opportunism. Mary Lou with rainbow flag in hand, hugging Gregory Campbell who had the audacity to show his face in creggan after lambasting the Bloody Sunday victimS

Poor Lyra, God rest her poor soul . A waste of a strong intelligent woman in her prime.

Get back to work ffs Sinn Féin and Dup
Sorry for you loss Zigg. It’s actually all our loss In fairness chief that’s a load of bollix. SF has steadfastly stood for the peace process and also for the rights of the LGBT and other minorities. I agree that seeing Gregory there was quite sickening given what he stands for but love her or hate her you can’t tar ML with the same brush

Most striking aspect of community event today in creggan was that there was very few locals. Once sinn Féin appeared, people got well put off. And that dear sir is your issue in a nutshell.
Sinn fein have no cred anymore in working class derry. Nobidy believes them. Nobody trusts them. Yes they correctly championed LGBT rights but today was not the time to grab the flag

Not from the area, only pass through when at matches in Celtic Park. SF certainly have their failings but why the mistrust? Is it purely a socio-economic thing? People feeling they are left behind? Keen to understand.

Young nationalists have a gateway out of poverty through education - some great schools in Derry. Unlike young loyalists who generally aren't so lucky!

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« Reply #1157 on: April 20, 2019, 08:52:23 AM »
I know some from round the “north west” feel sf sold out by signing up to the gfa. McGuinness meeting the queen would also not be welcomed by die hards. Die hard republicans wouldn’t believe in sf any more I think.

Teenagers arrested on this. They need to weed out the leaders >:( Stirring up people who don’t know any better to get involved in this shit and now someone has died plus their lives will be ruined >:(

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« Reply #1158 on: April 20, 2019, 09:10:09 AM »
I know some from round the “north west” feel sf sold out by signing up to the gfa. McGuinness meeting the queen would also not be welcomed by die hards. Die hard republicans wouldn’t believe in sf any more I think.

Teenagers arrested on this. They need to weed out the leaders >:( Stirring up people who don’t know any better to get involved in this shit and now someone has died plus their lives will be ruined >:(

What alternative to GFA is being offered? Is it simply armed rebellion and a belief that at some point in the future the UK government will say they have witnessed enough killings and cede NI to RoI and just ignore the houls of protest from NI unionists and ignore any legal challenge to the breach of the GFA??  Are we saying that there are people who actually believe this???

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« Reply #1159 on: April 20, 2019, 11:31:35 AM »
I firmly do not believe this but there are people that do. I would be pretty sure whoever leads this type of organisation does and then peddles it and people believe it. There is probably a wee bit in what seafoid says about socio economic aspects but that is played on by “leaders”.  To be honest east Belfast and loyalist paramilitaries probably has the same issue.

The dup don’t believe in the gfa either. I don’t know what their alternative is mind you.

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« Reply #1160 on: April 20, 2019, 12:05:26 PM »
I know some from round the “north west” feel sf sold out by signing up to the gfa. McGuinness meeting the queen would also not be welcomed by die hards. Die hard republicans wouldn’t believe in sf any more I think.

Teenagers arrested on this. They need to weed out the leaders >:( Stirring up people who don’t know any better to get involved in this shit and now someone has died plus their lives will be ruined >:(

What alternative to GFA is being offered? Is it simply armed rebellion and a belief that at some point in the future the UK government will say they have witnessed enough killings and cede NI to RoI and just ignore the houls of protest from NI unionists and ignore any legal challenge to the breach of the GFA??  Are we saying that there are people who actually believe this???

At this stage nationalism is doing ok, this is not 1969. These loonies are like the thick GAA player who insists on a pointless clatter at the opposition even though his team are winning.
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« Reply #1161 on: April 20, 2019, 03:37:39 PM »
And especially when Arlene and DUPUDA are furthering the cause of an All Ireland State so well.
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« Reply #1162 on: April 20, 2019, 05:48:58 PM »
I know some from round the “north west” feel sf sold out by signing up to the gfa. McGuinness meeting the queen would also not be welcomed by die hards. Die hard republicans wouldn’t believe in sf any more I think.

Teenagers arrested on this. They need to weed out the leaders >:( Stirring up people who don’t know any better to get involved in this shit and now someone has died plus their lives will be ruined >:(

Stuff about the South being allied with the Brits plus pointless violence reminds me of Dessie O’Hare

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/the-life-and-crimes-of-dessie-o-hare-border-fox-1.3857421?mode=amp

“The veteran journalist Diarmaid McDermott was in court that day 31 years ago as he was again last Thursday. He recalled O'Hare’s "rambling rant" from the same dock where Robert Emmet made his famous speech in 1803.
Pronouncing the name of the "Irish Revolutionary Brigade" O'Hare called for "republicans" to turn their guns on Irish judges, prison officers, members of the Defence Forces and gardaí. 
He attacked the leadership of the Provisional IRA accusing them of being "quasi republican". 
He ended his tirade with the words "may all my deeds reverberate until bloody war is waged against the British and their southern allies".

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« Reply #1163 on: April 20, 2019, 06:18:05 PM »
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

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« Reply #1164 on: April 20, 2019, 06:47:23 PM »
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn’t anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he’s a homophobic p***k and eff right off

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« Reply #1165 on: April 20, 2019, 07:00:44 PM »
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Yeah I echo what you are saying about all the journalists on Twitter, reeks of opportunism from quite a few of them

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« Reply #1166 on: April 20, 2019, 07:01:12 PM »
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn’t anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he’s a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Yeah sinn Féin licking up to DUP yesterday in creggan woukd have made you sick.

'Stephen Mallett, a community leader in Creggan, said veteran republicans disenchanted with the peace process had been recruiting young men with poor educations and job prospects. Govt austerity measures and aggressive policing had compounded social exclusion, he said, ...

Good analysis from the man closest to the problems.

Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

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« Reply #1167 on: April 20, 2019, 07:06:58 PM »
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn’t anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he’s a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Yeah sinn Féin licking up to DUP yesterday in creggan woukd have made you sick.

'Stephen Mallett, a community leader in Creggan, said veteran republicans disenchanted with the peace process had been recruiting young men with poor educations and job prospects. Govt austerity measures and aggressive policing had compounded social exclusion, he said, ...

Good analysis from the man closest to the problems.

Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Be interesting to see what happens.

It will be interesting to see how the 'independents' do in May - will people, after this, not be disillusioned?

If you reckon SF will be in bother, who will get the votes or is it a case of people will register their disillusion by not voting at all?

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« Reply #1168 on: April 20, 2019, 07:49:35 PM »
This was a disgusting murder but I think the aftermath is also disgusting.

- A pile of people comparing this to the 70s and even to Omagh - its not, cop the f**k on.
- Every journalist I follow on twitter seems to have been a personal friend of the murdered woman and been drinking coffee with her the other day etc. And now they all tells us their expert opinion on what is going wrong in the north. Ruth Dudley f**king Edwards is apparently a great friend. Well you can be sure Ruth DE wouldnt step foot anywhere near trouble to report it. Anyway, these people are self promoting leeches and it reminds me a bit of the "me too" campaign, lite.
- DUP and SF are to blame? Well I am sorry just because the DUP are a bunch of sectarian & anti gay dinosaurs does not mean the other side of the Irish coin is equally as bad. Sinn Fein wanted a Irish Language act, agreed it and the DUP allowed loyalists and Orange order to force them to pull out of the deal and that is what stopped stormont getting back up and running. What are SF supposed to do, just give up and let these inbreds have everything their own way like they have for the last 100 years. They are right to hold fast for the overall better of the people they represent. Today Donaldson is on twitter with a nice story how he met McKee and had a lovely conversation with her. Sorry Jeffrey, you are a homophobe so shut yer gob.

Agree with this. As bad as this was it isn’t anything near the 70s or omagh. As for Donaldson, he’s a homophobic p***k and eff right off

Yeah sinn Féin licking up to DUP yesterday in creggan woukd have made you sick.

'Stephen Mallett, a community leader in Creggan, said veteran republicans disenchanted with the peace process had been recruiting young men with poor educations and job prospects. Govt austerity measures and aggressive policing had compounded social exclusion, he said, ...

Good analysis from the man closest to the problems.

Sinn fein running around in big cars whilst they push welfare reforms through.
Going to get hit at ballot box in Derry

Be interesting to see what happens.

It will be interesting to see how the 'independents' do in May - will people, after this, not be disillusioned?

If you reckon SF will be in bother, who will get the votes or is it a case of people will register their disillusion by not voting at all?

Votes will go to Aontú, independents and PBP

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« Reply #1169 on: April 20, 2019, 08:35:47 PM »
I firmly do not believe this but there are people that do. I would be pretty sure whoever leads this type of organisation does and then peddles it and people believe it. There is probably a wee bit in what seafoid says about socio economic aspects but that is played on by “leaders”.  To be honest east Belfast and loyalist paramilitaries probably has the same issue.

The dup don’t believe in the gfa either. I don’t know what their alternative is mind you.

All this beggars belief. Anyone who thinks that armed aggression will lead to a United ireland is criminally stupid. If they put their beliefs into action they are criminal and stupid.

It’s extremely difficult to buy into the concept that within the creggan there is a sizeable group so thick to think that a United Ireland can be achieved by armed aggression or so thick to think that their economic woes can be addressed by (fatal) pop shots at authority. Surely the people of the Creggan have more about them????