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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8340 on: September 29, 2019, 02:20:14 PM »
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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8341 on: September 29, 2019, 02:56:34 PM »
Knock out UK born based players there, but I say England have the most.

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« Reply #8342 on: September 29, 2019, 03:53:01 PM »
it just looks again like a peaking issue, schmidt is on year 5, there is a lot to say in successful coaches usually run in 4 year cycles (olympic cycles) - leinster leaked within 4 years and tailed of, guardiola and that barca side, the recent madrid side and you will probably see it in the liverpool and man city teams shortly - huge peak in irish rugby in 2018 ( and we where only getting over the line in a lot of games)  in personnel, club and country after that the only way is down and stagnation and it won’t be admitted but the key players are not at there peak or injury prone and it just we are at the back end of the cycle and there will be a sorry exit i’m afraid - but would live to be wrong
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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8343 on: September 29, 2019, 05:09:38 PM »
I would say this issue would be more relevant to soccer than rugby

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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8344 on: September 29, 2019, 07:21:13 PM »
Majority Eng, but foreign is foreign.

That's just not true at all.

Most of those are incomparable to, say, the case with Ali or Kleyn who have been pure project players.

George North's mother is Welsh and he's lived in Wales since he was a kid. He speaks frigging Welsh. He's Welsh in a way our lads will never be Irish. Not the same at all.

And Parkes who scored one of their tries against the Aussies, how do you classify him? A New Zealander or Welshman?

He's clearly a kiwi. This isn't difficult, I don't know why you're struggling so much.
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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8345 on: September 29, 2019, 08:58:50 PM »
Majority Eng, but foreign is foreign.

That's just not true at all.

Most of those are incomparable to, say, the case with Ali or Kleyn who have been pure project players.

George North's mother is Welsh and he's lived in Wales since he was a kid. He speaks frigging Welsh. He's Welsh in a way our lads will never be Irish. Not the same at all.

And Parkes who scored one of their tries against the Aussies, how do you classify him? A New Zealander or Welshman?

He's clearly a kiwi. This isn't difficult, I don't know why you're struggling so much.

Not struggling. My original point is that all the 5 nations teams are filled to gills with foreigners and as such the game is now a sham. Wales won a game today thanks to a try from a player that should be illegal in normal circumstances. And as such it is a worthless victory. Don’t care if one of them grew up in Wales and can speak Welsh. Looking at the link above is enough to prove my point.

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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8347 on: September 29, 2019, 09:06:07 PM »
I would say this issue would be more relevant to soccer than rugby

I'm nor sure. Soccer requires a passport plus certain criteria. Rugby requires residency for 5 years.

I read Connacht have a group of 16 year olds in boarding school. At 21 they are eligible to play for Ireland (and SA if course). Soccer can't simply do that.

Its an issue, and while the bigger kids are doing it, so will we.

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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8348 on: September 29, 2019, 09:16:57 PM »
I would say this issue would be more relevant to soccer than rugby

I'm nor sure. Soccer requires a passport plus certain criteria. Rugby requires residency for 5 years.

I read Connacht have a group of 16 year olds in boarding school. At 21 they are eligible to play for Ireland (and SA if course). Soccer can't simply do that.

Its an issue, and while the bigger kids are doing it, so will we.

Ha! Ha! Quite possibly one the most ridiculous statements I have seen on this board in a while.
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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8349 on: September 30, 2019, 10:25:36 AM »
I would say this issue would be more relevant to soccer than rugby

I'm nor sure. Soccer requires a passport plus certain criteria. Rugby requires residency for 5 years.

I read Connacht have a group of 16 year olds in boarding school. At 21 they are eligible to play for Ireland (and SA if course). Soccer can't simply do that.

Its an issue, and while the bigger kids are doing it, so will we.

Ha! Ha! Quite possibly one the most ridiculous statements I have seen on this board in a while.

 ;D ;D ;D I know we are not the biggest rugby heads here out west but I think we can tell the difference between a few 16 year old lads from Kildare that go to Clongowes and South Africans!!!

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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8350 on: September 30, 2019, 10:58:47 AM »
I would say this issue would be more relevant to soccer than rugby

I'm nor sure. Soccer requires a passport plus certain criteria. Rugby requires residency for 5 years.

I read Connacht have a group of 16 year olds in boarding school. At 21 they are eligible to play for Ireland (and SA if course). Soccer can't simply do that.

Its an issue, and while the bigger kids are doing it, so will we.

Ha! Ha! Quite possibly one the most ridiculous statements I have seen on this board in a while.

 ;D ;D ;D I know we are not the biggest rugby heads here out west but I think we can tell the difference between a few 16 year old lads from Kildare that go to Clongowes and South Africans!!!

Bit of false equivalence going on here if you are equating George North with CJ Stander.  My views on international qualification are long held, and I think I said it here before. For example, I am a massive fan of CJ, and he has immersed himself in the Munster and Ireland culture, and into his local community in Castleconnell, but he's not Irish. He has no ties to Ireland other than the time he has spent here playing Professional Rugby.

I have no problem with someone with genuine Irish ties playing for Ireland, soccer, rugby or anything else. As a nation of emigrants, I think it's churlish to say that someone like Mick McCarthy is not Irish. If you have Irish familial ties, and you are brought up with a genuine sense of Irish identity, and hold an Irish passport, then I think you are Irish. Same for the equivalent Welsh, Scots and everyone else. I'd have no issue with Mike Haley playing for Ireland, and obviously lads like Ronan O'Gara and Jamie Heaslip.

But you can't tell me that Jean Kleyn is, or feels, Irish. The 5 year rule is an improvement, but it's still effectively a 'Rugby Union Representative Team' as opposed to a National representative team. It's not #teamofus it's #teamofirfuaffiliatedprofessionalplayers.

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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8351 on: September 30, 2019, 11:56:01 AM »
I would say this issue would be more relevant to soccer than rugby

I'm nor sure. Soccer requires a passport plus certain criteria. Rugby requires residency for 5 years.

I read Connacht have a group of 16 year olds in boarding school. At 21 they are eligible to play for Ireland (and SA if course). Soccer can't simply do that.

Its an issue, and while the bigger kids are doing it, so will we.

Ha! Ha! Quite possibly one the most ridiculous statements I have seen on this board in a while.
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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8352 on: September 30, 2019, 12:11:44 PM »
At least the Tongans are definitely muck so we should be able to get our 2 bonus points from the next 2 games.

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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8353 on: September 30, 2019, 01:13:20 PM »
At least the Tongans are definitely muck so we should be able to get our 2 bonus points from the next 2 games.

Samoa are filthy.

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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8354 on: September 30, 2019, 01:33:33 PM »
I would say this issue would be more relevant to soccer than rugby

I'm nor sure. Soccer requires a passport plus certain criteria. Rugby requires residency for 5 years.

I read Connacht have a group of 16 year olds in boarding school. At 21 they are eligible to play for Ireland (and SA if course). Soccer can't simply do that.

Its an issue, and while the bigger kids are doing it, so will we.

Ha! Ha! Quite possibly one the most ridiculous statements I have seen on this board in a while.

 ;D ;D ;D I know we are not the biggest rugby heads here out west but I think we can tell the difference between a few 16 year old lads from Kildare that go to Clongowes and South Africans!!!
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