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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8880 on: January 13, 2020, 09:57:51 AM »
Big risk for Munster to pick JJ for Sunday, despite him having trained feck all this week.

If his dodgy hamstring goes in the first half they're going to look pretty silly. Hopefully they can pull off (another) miracle and also do everyone else a favour by knocking out Saracens.

Saracens are a man down for the whole match, they’ll be lucky to win that one! Munster have been poor recently
Saracens 2nd team playing with 14 men near the whole match still won. Ospreys must have been a right pile of pish
Saracens could have beaten Ospreys with 13 men. Ospreys have lost nearly every match this season.

The Welsh regions are a shambles at the moment.....Wonder what the plan is to fix that, Webb won't single handily sort out The Ospreys.

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« Reply #8881 on: January 15, 2020, 05:02:58 PM »
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/johnny-sexton-confirmed-as-new-ireland-captain-for-six-nations-1.4140794

Ireland 2020 Guinness Six Nations squad

Forwards (19):
Max Deegan (Leinster, uncapped)
Caelan Doris (Leinster, uncapped)
Ultan Dillane (Connacht, 14 caps)
Tadhg Furlong (Leinster, 41 caps)
Cian Healy (Leinster, 95 caps)
Dave Heffernan (Connacht, 1 cap)
Iain Henderson (Ulster, 53 caps)
Rob Herring (Ulster, 8 caps)
Ronan Kelleher (Leinster,0 caps)
Dave Kilcoyne (Munster, 36 caps)
Jack McGrath (Leinster, 56 caps)
Jack O’Donoghue (Munster, 2 caps)
Peter O’Mahony (Munster, 64 caps)
Tom O’Toole (Ulster, uncapped)
Andrew Porter (Leinster, 23 caps)
James Ryan (Leinster, 23 caps)
CJ Stander (Munster, 38 caps)
Devin Toner (Leinster, 67 caps)
Josh van der Flier (Leinster, 23 caps)

Backs (16):
Will Addison (Ulster, 4 caps)
Bundee Aki (Connacht, 23 caps)
Billy Burns (Ulster, 0 caps)
Ross Byrne (Leinster, 3 caps)
Andrew Conway (Munster, 18 caps)
John Cooney (Ulster, 8 caps)
Keith Earls (Munster, 82 caps)
Chris Farrell (Munster, 9 caps)
Robbie Henshaw (Leinster, 40 caps)
Dave Kearney (Leinster, 19 caps)
Jordan Larmour (Leinster, 21 caps)
Luke McGrath (Leinster, 19 caps)
Conor Murray (Munster, 78 caps)
Garry Ringrose (Leinster, 28 caps)
Jonathan Sexton (Leinster, capt, 88 caps)
Jacob Stockdale (Ulster, 25 caps)

Development Players:
Ryan Baird (Leinster)
Robert Baloucoune (Ulster)
Harry Byrne (Leinster)
Will Connors (Leinster).
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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8882 on: January 15, 2020, 05:04:25 PM »
Looks like McCloskey is never getting himself into contention. Pity. Surely worth his place.

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« Reply #8883 on: January 16, 2020, 03:37:50 PM »
Looks like McCloskey is never getting himself into contention. Pity. Surely worth his place.

Aki and Henshaw have done very little to get themselves in there ... looks like Schmidt part 2 with form players missing out over "tried and trusted".

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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8884 on: January 17, 2020, 10:34:58 AM »
Devin Toner is back and Jean Kleyn isn't.
Funny old world
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« Reply #8885 on: January 17, 2020, 12:31:13 PM »
Devin Toner is back and Jean Kleyn isn't.
Funny old world

Will Devin be going to the WC in 4 years?  Very unlikely

Will Sexton be going to the WC in 4 years?   Very Unlikely

I get that Farrell is probably looking to have a reasonably experienced spine for the upcoming 6N's in the hope of not taking a battering in the big games but I'd like to think both will be phased out if not this year then definitely the next to allow those lads to come through that will be leading the team in 4 years.


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« Reply #8886 on: January 17, 2020, 01:26:49 PM »
Devin Toner is back and Jean Kleyn isn't.
Funny old world

Will Devin be going to the WC in 4 years?  Very unlikely

Will Sexton be going to the WC in 4 years?   Very Unlikely

I get that Farrell is probably looking to have a reasonably experienced spine for the upcoming 6N's in the hope of not taking a battering in the big games but I'd like to think both will be phased out if not this year then definitely the next to allow those lads to come through that will be leading the team in 4 years.

Take a look at that French squad - that's World Cup planning

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« Reply #8887 on: January 17, 2020, 01:36:02 PM »
Devin Toner is back and Jean Kleyn isn't.
Funny old world

Will Devin be going to the WC in 4 years?  Very unlikely

Will Sexton be going to the WC in 4 years?   Very Unlikely

I get that Farrell is probably looking to have a reasonably experienced spine for the upcoming 6N's in the hope of not taking a battering in the big games but I'd like to think both will be phased out if not this year then definitely the next to allow those lads to come through that will be leading the team in 4 years.

Take a look at that French squad - that's World Cup planning

New Coach and 20 uncapped players.

No messing about there but he could well be looking over his shoulder if there's a few poor performances. The French rugby public are more unforgiving than the Irish.

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« Reply #8888 on: January 17, 2020, 03:24:29 PM »
I actually agree with Farrell. There may be a soft 6 Nations to win here which will have no bearing on the World Cup. England and France will be struggling with the condensed season and not being able to rest lads from club games.

Wales will take a while to find their feet with a new coach and the shambles going on in the WRU.

Scotland and Italy are still basket cases.

2 Years out from the World Cup South Africa were a complete basket case and went on to win. England also had a horrific run of games when we had our best season ever and they got to the WC Final. World cup planning has been happening too early and resulting in form lads not getting in the team or squad for the World Cup so it'll do no harm to change it up!

I can't for the life of me figure out why lads on form like McCloskey and Rhys Ruddock aren't on the squad!
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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8889 on: January 17, 2020, 03:26:48 PM »
Devin Toner is back and Jean Kleyn isn't.
Funny old world

Will Devin be going to the WC in 4 years?  Very unlikely

Will Sexton be going to the WC in 4 years?   Very Unlikely

I get that Farrell is probably looking to have a reasonably experienced spine for the upcoming 6N's in the hope of not taking a battering in the big games but I'd like to think both will be phased out if not this year then definitely the next to allow those lads to come through that will be leading the team in 4 years.

Take a look at that French squad - that's World Cup planning

New Coach and 20 uncapped players.

No messing about there but he could well be looking over his shoulder if there's a few poor performances. The French rugby public are more unforgiving than the Irish.

The Dalai Lama is more unforgiving than the Irish rugby public.

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« Reply #8890 on: January 17, 2020, 05:07:22 PM »
Ireland need to rebuild and aim for the next world cup. I don't see a problem with older players staying, they are needed so new players can learn from them. Whilst the world cup highlighted the face we didn't have a team up for challenging the world cup the players still possessed talent. The likes of Toner and Sexton most certainly will not be at the next world cup but there is no harm having them around for a year or two to bring on the new players.

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« Reply #8891 on: January 18, 2020, 09:34:42 PM »
Not related to Irish rugby but Saracens have been relegated for cheating. Not following salary cap rules I believe.

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« Reply #8892 on: January 18, 2020, 09:40:29 PM »
Not related to Irish rugby but Saracens have been relegated for cheating. Not following salary cap rules I believe.
I feel sorry for the likes of Exeter who it seems have stuck to the cap, topped the Gallagher Premiership only to be beaten by Sarries in the final which is how it's decided. It's a f**king disgrace. They were docked a load of points and fined at the start of the season but they have been relegated for not putting their house in order - it looks like they were trying to keep going this season without making the required changes. They had most of the spine of that England team so there was no way they were paying Itoje, Farrell, George, Daly, Vunipola(s), Liam Williams, Alex Goode etc. and staying within the cap. Everyone knew it.

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« Reply #8893 on: January 18, 2020, 11:44:41 PM »
Ireland need to rebuild and aim for the next world cup. I don't see a problem with older players staying, they are needed so new players can learn from them. Whilst the world cup highlighted the face we didn't have a team up for challenging the world cup the players still possessed talent. The likes of Toner and Sexton most certainly will not be at the next world cup but there is no harm having them around for a year or two to bring on the new players.
Sorry, but they don't
The six nations is rugby's bread and butter.
Aim to win the six nations and naturally refresh the team and squad.
NZ don't really plan for WC they just bring through form players into their national set up.
SA was a bit of a fluke imho. Their hardest game was vs NZ in group

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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #8894 on: January 19, 2020, 01:16:38 PM »
Ireland need to rebuild and aim for the next world cup. I don't see a problem with older players staying, they are needed so new players can learn from them. Whilst the world cup highlighted the face we didn't have a team up for challenging the world cup the players still possessed talent. The likes of Toner and Sexton most certainly will not be at the next world cup but there is no harm having them around for a year or two to bring on the new players.
Sorry, but they don't
The six nations is rugby's bread and butter.
Aim to win the six nations and naturally refresh the team and squad.
NZ don't really plan for WC they just bring through form players into their national set up.
SA was a bit of a fluke imho. Their hardest game was vs NZ in group

Realistically we aren't going to win the 6 nations. There are going to be significant changes this year and next.