Alan O'Connor sending off.

[SidelineKick]

By the way, refusing to behave like a cheating girl is not bravado. It's just the honest way to play the game.

Jesus, this is getting tough.........

What would you like someone to do that has been punched in the head?

so every time you get punched in the head you go down? If you were picked on in the street would you lie down like a big sissy and wait for help? No you wouldnt, I am no more a man than McGuigan for saying I wouldnt, and its not him I am singling out, but my point is:

TOO MANY PEOPLE ENJOY THE ATTENTION OF A PHYSIO HAVING TO RUSH TO THEIR ATTENTION AND FOR WHAT?!

WHAT THE F**K DID STEPHEN O'NEILL NEED A PHYSIO FOR DOWN AT THE END LINE IN THE FIRST HALF?  NOTHING, THATS WHAT.

[full back]

By the way, refusing to behave like a cheating girl is not bravado. It's just the honest way to play the game.

Jesus, this is getting tough.........

What would you like someone to do that has been punched in the head?

so every time you get punched in the head you go down? If you were picked on in the street would you lie down like a big sissy and wait for help? No you wouldnt, I am no more a man than McGuigan for saying I wouldnt, and its not him I am singling out, but my point is:

TOO MANY PEOPLE ENJOY THE ATTENTION OF A PHYSIO HAVING TO RUSH TO THEIR ATTENTION AND FOR WHAT?!

WHAT THE F**K DID STEPHEN O'NEILL NEED A PHYSIO FOR DOWN AT THE END LINE IN THE FIRST HALF?  NOTHING, THATS WHAT.

Deep breaths..........................

Who is talking about Stephen O Neill??
Most people agree with you that the actions of some players is making the GAA more & more like soccer which no-one wants but that isnt the point being made

We are talking about Brian Mc Guigan getting punched in the head here.

[Hardy]

No we're not. We're talking about a girlie slap. He wasn't hurt. He was putting it on. He was trying to get his opponent into trouble. He was aping soccer behaviour. He was not behaving in a manly fashion. He was exhibiting the kind of behaviour that has become too prevalent in the game and should be eradicated.

In my opinion.

[No way ref]

No we're not. We're talking about a girlie slap. He wasn't hurt. He was putting it on. He was trying to get his opponent into trouble. He was aping soccer behaviour. He was not behaving in a manly fashion. He was exhibiting the kind of behaviour that has become too prevalent in the game and should be eradicated.

In my opinion.

Herein lies the problem. When John Miskella threw the punch he was getting himself into trouble. Mc Guigans actions after the event shouldn't matter. I would agree with you if Mc Guigan hadnt been hit and tried to get Miskella sent off but he was hit off the ball.

[SidelineKick]

Oops, sorry FB, away with the fairies again!

Re: McGuigan:

He was punched on the head - yes.

Was the punch hard enough to knock him down? - I honestly dont think so. To me, that is his first reaction regardless of power behind the box.

Was it hard enough to keep him down for several minutes? - certainly not! He got up after a few mins rubbing his head. I wonder was he checked for concussion after the match 

If I was punched on the back of the head would I fall down straight away? No, I have a bit of pride in myself and to the best of my ability would remain on my feet.

[full back]

TBH, you dont know how hard he was hit

If you are punched in the head & dont react do you think the fella that done it is going to get away with it?

[Hardy]

No we're not. We're talking about a girlie slap. He wasn't hurt. He was putting it on. He was trying to get his opponent into trouble. He was aping soccer behaviour. He was not behaving in a manly fashion. He was exhibiting the kind of behaviour that has become too prevalent in the game and should be eradicated.

In my opinion.

Herein lies the problem. When John Miskella threw the punch he was getting himself into trouble. Mc Guigans actions after the event shouldn't matter. I would agree with you if Mc Guigan hadnt been hit and tried to get Miskella sent off but he was hit off the ball.

Miskella's behaviour was outside the law. There's a penalty for it. It wasn't applied. McGuigan's behaviour was also outside the law twice - the initial sly blow and the simulation. There is a penalty for both. Those penalties weren't applied either. In natural justice, do you honestly think it would have been fair to punish Miskella and let Mcguigan off? Especially when you consider the relative effects if the law had been correctly applied in each case - Miskella misses the AIF, while McGuigan misses nothing?

[SidelineKick]

TBH, you dont know how hard he was hit

If you are punched in the head & dont react do you think the fella that done it is going to get away with it?

I dont know how hard he was hit no, but to knock a fully grown man to the ground you have to be hit a right slap. To keep him down he'd need to be near concussed.

If someone hit me in a match (which has happened before), I prefer to get him back in a way that stays within the rules of the game, a score, a block, hard tackling, let him know I'm there.  Not f**king fall to the ground and roll around. I'm not trying to look like a tough guy here, but falling like that and holding your head would embarrass me. I would have to ask serious questions about myself if I was at that caper.

[full back]

No we're not. We're talking about a girlie slap. He wasn't hurt. He was putting it on. He was trying to get his opponent into trouble. He was aping soccer behaviour. He was not behaving in a manly fashion. He was exhibiting the kind of behaviour that has become too prevalent in the game and should be eradicated.

In my opinion.

Herein lies the problem. When John Miskella threw the punch he was getting himself into trouble. Mc Guigans actions after the event shouldn't matter. I would agree with you if Mc Guigan hadnt been hit and tried to get Miskella sent off but he was hit off the ball.

Miskella's behaviour was outside the law. There's a penalty for it. It wasn't applied. McGuigan's behaviour was also outside the law twice - the initial sly blow and the simulation. There is a penalty for both. Those penalties weren't applied either. In natural justice, do you honestly think it would have been fair to punish Miskella and let Mcguigan off? Especially when you consider the relative effects if the law had been correctly applied in each case - Miskella misses the AIF, while McGuigan misses nothing?

You are good hardy, I will give you that

You want Mc Guigan banned for getting hit on the head and going to ground
How do you know how hard he was hit?

BTW, a classic

[Hardy]

How do I know how hard he was hit? I have eyes. I've been hit a lot harder than that. I'd be surprised if you haven't too, if you've played football. Did I go down like I'd been hit with a sledgehammer? No. Did you?

So the question again: why would it be right to punish Miskella for hitting McGuigan, but not to punish Mcguigan for hitting Miskella first, then making a show of himself?

[full back]

What did you see Mc Guigan do?
If the referee seen it would he have sent him off?

What did you see Miskella do?
If the referee seen it would he have sent him off? (obviously we have to discount the notion that the clown was refereeing it)

[Hardy]

What did you see Mc Guigan do?
If the referee seen it would he have sent him off?

What did you see Miskella do?
If the referee seen it would he have sent him off? (obviously we have to discount the notion that the clown was refereeing it)

McGuigan struck Miskella. (Or maybe Miskella started the whole thing by simulating a strike, It wasn't as OTT as Miskela's simulation, but very expert - just exactly how you'd react if someone hit you in the balls - a sudden backward thrust of the nether regions). The penalty for striking is a red card.

Miskella struck McGuigan. The penalty for striking is a red card.

McGuigan acted as if he'd been badly hurt. The penalty for simulation ids a yell9ow card. But this shouldn't matter as the red card would have superseded it.

[No way ref]

Hardy i honestly think you are wrong. You may be right but i dont think so. And anyway when did natural justice supercede the rules. Your arguement that miskella would miss an all ireland final but mc guigan would miss nothing so it wouldnt be fair on miskella is naive. If you break the rules you should pay the price. Ironically the only people now who can suffer from Bannons mistake are from either Meath or Kerry

[full back]

What did you see Mc Guigan do?
If the referee seen it would he have sent him off?

What did you see Miskella do?
If the referee seen it would he have sent him off? (obviously we have to discount the notion that the clown was refereeing it)

McGuigan struck Miskella. (Or maybe Miskella started the whole thing by simulating a strike, It wasn't as OTT as Miskela's simulation, but very expert - just exactly how you'd react if someone hit you in the balls - a sudden backward thrust of the nether regions). The penalty for striking is a red card.

If's & maybe's

The jury dismiss your case

[Hardy]

Hardy i honestly think you are wrong. You may be right but i dont think so. And anyway when did natural justice supercede the rules. Your arguement that miskella would miss an all ireland final but mc guigan would miss nothing so it wouldnt be fair on miskella is naive. If you break the rules you should pay the price. Ironically the only people now who can suffer from Bannons mistake are from either Meath or Kerry

Leaving aside our different interpretations of what we saw, I'm just suggesting that Bannon's failure to apply the rules correctly has served natural justice, as it would have been unfair, given the way suspensions are imposed on a time basis rather than on a match basis, that even if both had been sanctioned under the rules, Miskella's punishment would have been severe, while McGuigan's would have been non-existent. As you say, if you break the rules, you should pay the price. But it's only fair that the price should be the same for everybody.