Antrim Hurling

[Sham Man]

If you keep feeding the troll, he'll keep coming back. Ignore sham_man/Getevennotcross and the rest of his bogus names and he'll eventually get bored ans go away. What a saddo!

what da fcuk ya talkin about mister?  ur a fcukin comedian u r.  I have no notion where you are coming from here, think you have got your wires crossed along the way.  FFS wise up wud ya. 

[Sleeping giant]

I don't want to see them win it. Being honest.  Doesn't mean they won't. And they will have there day in the sun regardless of what I want.  You rocket!!!!

[johnneycool]

As there's a heated debate on the Antrim football thread about paying outside managers, would that be commonplace within any hurling clubs in Antrim?

It certainly wouldn't be with us, as I think our managers don't even get expenses, albeit a few quid for washing the jerseys, that's possibly it.

[btdtgtt]

As there's a heated debate on the Antrim football thread about paying outside managers, would that be commonplace within any hurling clubs in Antrim?

It certainly wouldn't be with us, as I think our managers don't even get expenses, albeit a few quid for washing the jerseys, that's possibly it.

Expenses for washing jersey's in gererous!
Personally I don't feel any manager should be getting "paid" any more than a player should.
Granted, out of pocket expenses are something not many of us would argue with.
And therein lies the problem - the rule is un-enforceable.
Joe Brolly's idea of only cub & county men taking their own teams is not without flaws - but in my opinion its better than the open market that currently exists.

[Na Glinntí Glasa]

ive made my view on that whole idea in the football thread.

i can see why clubs do it but i dont agree with it. no one gets paid to manage Dunloy at any level and no one ever will. our club has enough good people hopefully that every year we will mentors in place.

its not easy to continue this at times and for the past 2 years no one wanted to take our minor football team due to them being quite weak and low on numbers. we didn't field at that grade for 2 years. its unfortunate but what can you do?

had we offered someone money to take them im sure they would have done it but would it have made any difference to how they would have done? no. thankfully we have a team and a willing management in place to take them this year.

[btdtgtt]

ive made my view on that whole idea in the football thread.

i can see why clubs do it but i dont agree with it. no one gets paid to manage Dunloy at any level and no one ever will. our club has enough good people hopefully that every year we will mentors in place.

its not easy to continue this at times and for the past 2 years no one wanted to take our minor football team due to them being quite weak and low on numbers. we didn't field at that grade for 2 years. its unfortunate but what can you do?

had we offered someone money to take them im sure they would have done it but would it have made any difference to how they would have done? no. thankfully we have a team and a willing management in place to take them this year.

Proper order. Fair play.
The idea of celebrity paid mangers making a living off the back of the GAA (without any accountability) sickens me.
It's not the way our Assoication should be - and any excuse about it being the way of society/sport is a cop out.
We have control over our own destiny in this matter - going down this road will destory us from within.

[Two Hands FFS]

What about Clubs paying a coach or a physical trainer to come in once a week? (He's not the manager) Is this the same as paying a manager? Just wondering what peoples opinions on this?

[NAG1]

What about Clubs paying a coach or a physical trainer to come in once a week? (He's not the manager) Is this the same as paying a manager? Just wondering what peoples opinions on this?

IMO a physical trainer/ nutritionist/ physio are all specialist roles that might not necessarily exist within a club. A coach can come from within a club to me that is the difference.

Clubs should always be striving to make the best of their own resources and trying to get their own coaches up to the best level that they can.

[getevennotcross]

ive made my view on that whole idea in the football thread.

i can see why clubs do it but i dont agree with it. no one gets paid to manage Dunloy at any level and no one ever will. our club has enough good people hopefully that every year we will mentors in place.

its not easy to continue this at times and for the past 2 years no one wanted to take our minor football team due to them being quite weak and low on numbers. we didn't field at that grade for 2 years. its unfortunate but what can you do?

had we offered someone money to take them im sure they would have done it but would it have made any difference to how they would have done? no. thankfully we have a team and a willing management in place to take them this year.

Proper order. Fair play.
The idea of celebrity paid mangers making a living off the back of the GAA (without any accountability) sickens me.
It's not the way our Assoication should be - and any excuse about it being the way of society/sport is a cop out.
We have control over our own destiny in this matter - going down this road will destory us from within.

Couldn't agree more btdtgtt, the voluntary ethos of our association, both at county and club level has been trampled over by pot hunters and gold diggers.  No allegiance to a specific club and and can walk away with their carpet bag bulging.  Clubs in particular have only themselves to blame.  I have always been of the opinion clubs should proliferate their own coaches, managers, mentors etc.  Think it is a bot rich of Brolly all the same, to be dictating over amateurism v professionalism!  Just seems like a mind set at present for clubs to head hunt at great cost in pursuit of success and lifting some elusive silverware.  I for one, am all for indigenous committed club coaches and managers. As for the specialists, such as trainers, fitness and conditioning coaches, dieticians, physios etc.  this has all come about at a cost to volunteer and club members.  All this has no place in the GAA for a family and community orientated organisation.  Sadly, it's with us to stay by the looks of things, like the smoking, eating, drinking habit, it will be hard to kick, as it has taken its hold.

[btdtgtt]

What about Clubs paying a coach or a physical trainer to come in once a week? (He's not the manager) Is this the same as paying a manager? Just wondering what peoples opinions on this?

The "Brolly-rule" with never be perfect, things like this will crop up.
However, it's better than what we have at the moment.
Anyone jumping between clubs for a wage is not what I recognise as a GAA man, and I think clubs which permit this are just as bad.
The advantage of being a our own master here is we don't have to succumb to this - we can hold on to our own values. Why trade-in the very ethos that has made the GAA what it is in Irish society. It's self destruction, it's suicide.
Adopting a "sure its just the way it is" attitude is not good enough.

[Na Glinntí Glasa]

What about Clubs paying a coach or a physical trainer to come in once a week? (He's not the manager) Is this the same as paying a manager? Just wondering what peoples opinions on this?

i have no problem with this at all. most teams run fund raisers to collect a pot of money to help them along in a year which goes to equipment, training, bonding sessions etc. i think these are good things and help a team.

they are there to help the team on a temp basis fitting into a managers planning for the season. some only are around for 1 month others a bit longer for a season and then go on to another role

in an ideal world you would have these guys in your club to do it for free but being realistic they are as rare as hens teeth so to avail of this type of service you need to go looking for them

[getevennotcross]

What about Clubs paying a coach or a physical trainer to come in once a week? (He's not the manager) Is this the same as paying a manager? Just wondering what peoples opinions on this?

i have no problem with this at all. most teams run fund raisers to collect a pot of money to help them along in a year which goes to equipment, training, bonding sessions etc. i think these are good things and help a team.

they are there to help the team on a temp basis fitting into a managers planning for the season. some only are around for 1 month others a bit longer for a season and then go on to another role

in an ideal world you would have these guys in your club to do it for free but being realistic they are as rare as hens teeth so to avail of this type of service you need to go looking for them

I totally agree of where your coming from DR in terms of equipment, training, bonding sessions etc. most certainly beneficial for a team or club.  But spend the hard earned cash resource in house amongst players/teams , but not for doling it out to some Prima Donna as a source of 2nd income, which he of course does not pay tax on!  Absolute joke in some cases.  What's even worse, is that some Prima Donna from within their own club should be demanding such payments.  I can certainly think of a few football clubs over the years who got caught out by their own supposed loyal members over the years, I'll not name them of course,through fear of causing offence.

[hurlingstick]

Kilmallock by 20 points!!! Anybody? 

[Seamroga in exile]

 Chuid eile i siochain young Deeney. Thoughts and prayers with his family and St Aidans.

[btdtgtt]

Is ceart.
I fear we are hearing of these tragedies more often.