Antrim Hurling

[btdtgtt]

The johnnies lost to a Kilkenny team I think.

Looking only at results I see intermediate as a legitimate step for Rossa. I'm just surprised they have acknowledged it themselves!
For city hurling hopefully it helps them build again long term.

Depending on who is in senior & intermediate then it will be interesting to see the draws on February 4th!

Game time creeping up for the shamrocks - professional preparations as expected.

[Seamroga in exile]

It's the done thing in the south. Go down a level up to get themselves geared to get back up again. Still not a step to be taken lightly. The correct structure has to be in place at underage level and Rossa certainly have that. It's probably the right thing to do

[Seamroga in exile]

True but it is paramount that it not used as a safety net for lack of preparation and commitment.

IMO, with the right preparation and commitment, we could compete well at senior.

true. I was going to add a caveat that yous nearly had us a couple of years ago. Yous aren't that bad.   

[Bonamargy]

He's right milltown. They were in Div 2 for one year. They played intermediate that year.

Shame on them, how'd they do in the All Ireland semi final?

I know they lost but can't remember the score.

They lost to Dicksboro from Kilkenny 0-16 to 1-09

[Tony Baloney]

Of course it is the right decision for the abovementioned teams. If you have nothing to either offer or gain from playing SC then it is better to drop back and try to consolidate and maybe give some younger lads a runout which can only be positive in the long run.

[btdtgtt]

That is true, Tony, if lack of talent and ability is the reason why you are struggling at senior.
Now, if that is the problem with Rossa, I am happy to accept it and intermediate would be the right move. However, any time I hear the "what went wrong" end of year reports of Rossa hurling, the same things come up. Lack of commitment, lack of preparation, general apathy.
Dropping to intermediate and being successful at that level while the same levels of apathy remain gives a false sense of progression.
Doing the same things as you have done previously but still winning a lock of intermediate games is pointless.

How long has this been the problem HS?
2004 was a long time ago now!
I think loughgiel have shown you get what you deserve.

[btdtgtt]

You won a championship under-prepared and with a lack commitment and apathy?

Surely if it's going on that long then it's not apathy or under-prepared or lack of commitment - it's just Rossa!

[Milltown Row2]

A long time and before 2004.

That's true.

How many of these special juvenile players over the years will look back and think they should have won a senior championship or two?  So many decent teams over the years have fallen by the wayside, St Johns the same. These lads for whatever reason have not progressed at senior, maybe the attitude is wrong, drink culture can't help or just lack of ambition are the factors.

Having the right senior set up, the players buy into the management team and goals can make a big difference.

[Tony Baloney]

A long time and before 2004.

That's true.

How many of these special juvenile players over the years will look back and think they should have won a senior championship or two?  So many decent teams over the years have fallen by the wayside, St Johns the same. These lads for whatever reason have not progressed at senior, maybe the attitude is wrong, drink culture can't help or just lack of ambition are the factors.

Having the right senior set up, the players buy into the management team and goals can make a big difference.

The simple fact is there are more distractions/temptations in Belfast than Loughgiel, Cushendall, Dunloy etc. so you are never going to see the same player retention as the rural areas, many of which have fcuk all apart from the club (looking at you Loughgiel). Ballycastle is no metropolis but they had a reputation for being too fond of the high stool over the past 20 years or so.

It has changed a bit in the past few years due to the job market - Glenariffe have definitely suffered and most Glens clubs would be in the same boat. No strength in depth for SHC.

[btdtgtt]

So HS if Rossa are under-prepared, not committed and apathetic - and have been for years - then surely they should be in senior?

[Milltown Row2]

A long time and before 2004.

That's true.

How many of these special juvenile players over the years will look back and think they should have won a senior championship or two?  So many decent teams over the years have fallen by the wayside, St Johns the same. These lads for whatever reason have not progressed at senior, maybe the attitude is wrong, drink culture can't help or just lack of ambition are the factors.

Having the right senior set up, the players buy into the management team and goals can make a big difference.

The simple fact is there are more distractions/temptations in Belfast than Loughgiel, Cushendall, Dunloy etc. so you are never going to see the same player retention as the rural areas, many of which have fcuk all apart from the club (looking at you Loughgiel). Ballycastle is no metropolis but they had a reputation for being too fond of the high stool over the past 20 years or so.

It has changed a bit in the past few years due to the job market - Glenariffe have definitely suffered and most Glens clubs would be in the same boat. No strength in depth for SHC.

Tony if thats the case our footballers shouldn't be winning too many Championships

[Milltown Row2]

So HS if Rossa are under-prepared, not committed and apathetic - and have been for years - then surely they should be in senior?

Unsure what you are asking?

They'll show same attitude in Intermediate?

[Seamroga in exile]

A long time and before 2004.

That's true.

How many of these special juvenile players over the years will look back and think they should have won a senior championship or two?  So many decent teams over the years have fallen by the wayside, St Johns the same. These lads for whatever reason have not progressed at senior, maybe the attitude is wrong, drink culture can't help or just lack of ambition are the factors.

Having the right senior set up, the players buy into the management team and goals can make a big difference.

The simple fact is there are more distractions/temptations in Belfast than Loughgiel, Cushendall, Dunloy etc. so you are never going to see the same player retention as the rural areas, many of which have fcuk all apart from the club (looking at you Loughgiel). Ballycastle is no metropolis but they had a reputation for being too fond of the high stool over the past 20 years or so.

It has changed a bit in the past few years due to the job market - Glenariffe have definitely suffered and most Glens clubs would be in the same boat. No strength in depth for SHC.

not really true nowadays tony. We have cars, electric and everything now ya know. 

I think I agree with what hs is hinting at. It comes down to how much work you want to put into it. And how much you want it.

[btdtgtt]

So HS if Rossa are under-prepared, not committed and apathetic - and have been for years - then surely they should be in senior?

Unsure what you are asking?

They'll show same attitude in Intermediate?

Well, that's the point I was making at the very beginning. The safety net of intermediate. If those things are the reason for failure at senior, there is no point dropping down a level and winning a few matches while the same apathy remains.
Those few wins only put a gloss on the problem.

And there's certainly no point staying senior if all those things are true.

[Tony Baloney]

A long time and before 2004.

That's true.

How many of these special juvenile players over the years will look back and think they should have won a senior championship or two?  So many decent teams over the years have fallen by the wayside, St Johns the same. These lads for whatever reason have not progressed at senior, maybe the attitude is wrong, drink culture can't help or just lack of ambition are the factors.

Having the right senior set up, the players buy into the management team and goals can make a big difference.

The simple fact is there are more distractions/temptations in Belfast than Loughgiel, Cushendall, Dunloy etc. so you are never going to see the same player retention as the rural areas, many of which have fcuk all apart from the club (looking at you Loughgiel). Ballycastle is no metropolis but they had a reputation for being too fond of the high stool over the past 20 years or so.

It has changed a bit in the past few years due to the job market - Glenariffe have definitely suffered and most Glens clubs would be in the same boat. No strength in depth for SHC.

Tony if thats the case our footballers shouldn't be winning too many Championships

There is an exception to every rule (you also have plenty fond of the high stool  )

A long time and before 2004.

That's true.

How many of these special juvenile players over the years will look back and think they should have won a senior championship or two?  So many decent teams over the years have fallen by the wayside, St Johns the same. These lads for whatever reason have not progressed at senior, maybe the attitude is wrong, drink culture can't help or just lack of ambition are the factors.

Having the right senior set up, the players buy into the management team and goals can make a big difference.

The simple fact is there are more distractions/temptations in Belfast than Loughgiel, Cushendall, Dunloy etc. so you are never going to see the same player retention as the rural areas, many of which have fcuk all apart from the club (looking at you Loughgiel). Ballycastle is no metropolis but they had a reputation for being too fond of the high stool over the past 20 years or so.

It has changed a bit in the past few years due to the job market - Glenariffe have definitely suffered and most Glens clubs would be in the same boat. No strength in depth for SHC.

not really true nowadays tony. We have cars, electric and everything now ya know. 

I think I agree with what hs is hinting at. It comes down to how much work you want to put into it. And how much you want it.

But the club is the centre of the community and youse don't have Legends nightclub to fight in at the weekends.