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How far can Celtic go now in Europe?

Champions League Final
44 (30.6%)
Champions League Semi Final
1 (0.7%)
Champions League Quarter Finals
1 (0.7%)
Last 16
9 (6.3%)
Third in the group and Europa League
37 (25.7%)
Bottom of the group
52 (36.1%)

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #14520 on: August 14, 2019, 12:56:35 AM »
I had thought the tie was safe after the away result. I didn't see the game this evening, nor did I see that performance coming.

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #14521 on: August 14, 2019, 08:25:49 AM »
Porto and Basel also knocked out tonight. Thereís a lot of teams all at the same level.
Cluj have won the last two Romanian leagues.

Doesnít matter. Iíve never even heard of that team before ffs

You'd never heard of them? Should have beaten them 7-0 then!  ::)
They were only an average team. That was a shambles last night. Defence is priority now as it has been for about 5years. We never f**king learn.

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #14522 on: August 14, 2019, 08:31:00 AM »
This is what I posted last Saturday - a few games into the season:

Issue for Celtic today is no defenders on their bench.  Might do V Motherwell but not great as league going forward.

As well as that, a mid-fielder playing centre back and Ajer, a centre back, playing right back.


No defenders on the bench...not 1 defender!!! Players playing out of position.  A complete farce.  That is poor management at any level.  Imagine an inter-county manager having no defenders on the bench.


Lennon played Mc Gregor at left back with new signings on bench.  Crazy stuff.  Downhill from here on it. 

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #14523 on: August 14, 2019, 08:54:35 AM »
If ever a result exemplified the Scottish league and the talents of the players in it, this was it. Realistically Celtic are probably a mid table League one side. Scottish Prem is probably at same level as Irish league. Hence why they walk it year in year out.

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #14524 on: August 14, 2019, 09:06:16 AM »
Last night's result was a shambles, but you could see it coming a mile off.

Defensively, in particular where it matters - in Europe - Celtic have been a disaster for years.

The talent spotting, certainly in defence, has been abysmal, as have most of the loans and free transfers. The responsibility rests with Lawell, the Board and whatever manager sanctioned / requested the player.

Here's the sum total from 2009/10 of players Celtic have bought, trying to build a defence: A decade of (mainly) incompetence - saved only by a few gems (a very few)

2019/20 - Bought Julien (left on bench) and Boli (left on bench and already looking not good enough)
2018/19 - Bought zero defenders
2017/18 - Bought Jack Hendry (Dud) and Compper (Dud)
2016/17 - Bought Gamboa (Dud) ands Ajer (good)
2015/16 - Bought Simunovic (average), Sviatchenko (average), Boyata (decent), Janko (Dud) and Logan Bailly (indeed)
2014/15 - Bought zero defenders
2013/14 - Bought VVD (halleluja)
2012/13 - Bought Forster (good)
2011/12 - Bought Adam Matthews (Dud)
2010/11 - Bought Juarez (Dud), Izaguirre (good at the time)
2009/10 - Bought Hooiveld (Dud), Fox (Dud), Rogne (Dud)

Free transfers / Loans:

2019/20 -
2018/19 - Benkovic (good), Bain (Jury out), Izaguirre (Dud this time round), Gutman (Dud), Toljan (Dud),
2017/18 - No defenders
2016/17 - Kelleher (Dud), Du Vries (Dud), Toure (Dud)
2015/16 - Blackett (Dud),
2014/15 - Denayer (good),
2013/14 - No defenders
2012/13 - Noring (Dud), Gershon (Dud), Ambrose (just about ok), Kamenar (Dud)
2011/12 - El Kaddouri (Dud), Lustig (great player), Wilson (Dud), Toshney (Dud)
2010/11 - Mulgrew (did ok), Majstorovic (Dud)
2009/10 - Braafiled (Dud), Zaluska (Dud)

That's before we even get to appointing Lennon again

 
« Last Edit: August 14, 2019, 09:08:56 AM by tyroneman »

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #14525 on: August 14, 2019, 09:15:07 AM »
Last night's result was a shambles, but you could see it coming a mile off.

Defensively, in particular where it matters - in Europe - Celtic have been a disaster for years.

The talent spotting, certainly in defence, has been abysmal, as have most of the loans and free transfers. The responsibility rests with Lawell, the Board and whatever manager sanctioned / requested the player.

Here's the sum total from 2009/10 of players Celtic have bought, trying to build a defence: A decade of (mainly) incompetence - saved only by a few gems (a very few)

2019/20 - Bought Julien (left on bench) and Boli (left on bench and already looking not good enough)
2018/19 - Bought zero defenders
2017/18 - Bought Jack Hendry (Dud) and Compper (Dud)
2016/17 - Bought Gamboa (Dud) ands Ajer (good)
2015/16 - Bought Simunovic (average), Sviatchenko (average), Boyata (decent), Janko (Dud) and Logan Bailly (indeed)
2014/15 - Bought zero defenders
2013/14 - Bought VVD (halleluja)
2012/13 - Bought Forster (good)
2011/12 - Bought Adam Matthews (Dud)
2010/11 - Bought Juarez (Dud), Izaguirre (good at the time)
2009/10 - Bought Hooiveld (Dud), Fox (Dud), Rogne (Dud)

Free transfers / Loans:

2019/20 -
2018/19 - Benkovic (good), Bain (Jury out), Izaguirre (Dud this time round), Gutman (Dud), Toljan (Dud),
2017/18 - No defenders
2016/17 - Kelleher (Dud), Du Vries (Dud), Toure (Dud)
2015/16 - Blackett (Dud),
2014/15 - Denayer (good),
2013/14 - No defenders
2012/13 - Noring (Dud), Gershon (Dud), Ambrose (just about ok), Kamenar (Dud)
2011/12 - El Kaddouri (Dud), Lustig (great player), Wilson (Dud), Toshney (Dud)
2010/11 - Mulgrew (did ok), Majstorovic (Dud)
2009/10 - Braafiled (Dud), Zaluska (Dud)

That's before we even get to appointing Lennon again

It's f**king Celtic. Who would actually want to sign for them? It's a phoney league. Only bluffers and mercenaries move to the Scotlish prem.

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #14526 on: August 14, 2019, 09:42:35 AM »
If ever a result exemplified the Scottish league and the talents of the players in it, this was it. Realistically Celtic are probably a mid table League one side. Scottish Prem is probably at same level as Irish league. Hence why they walk it year in year out.

Tired lazy comment. The real truth is that this result exemplified why Neil Lennon shouldn't have got the job. Spends 10m on 2 defenders and leaves them on the bench only to see 3 crucial goals conceded (i dont mind the 4th as they had to throw caution to the wind at the end)

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #14527 on: August 14, 2019, 10:33:45 AM »
If ever a result exemplified the Scottish league and the talents of the players in it, this was it. Realistically Celtic are probably a mid table League one side. Scottish Prem is probably at same level as Irish league. Hence why they walk it year in year out.

Tired lazy comment. The real truth is that this result exemplified why Neil Lennon shouldn't have got the job. Spends 10m on 2 defenders and leaves them on the bench only to see 3 crucial goals conceded (i dont mind the 4th as they had to throw caution to the wind at the end)


Don't engage that trolling cnut. He married his sister ffs.

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #14528 on: August 14, 2019, 10:58:42 AM »
If ever a result exemplified the Scottish league and the talents of the players in it, this was it. Realistically Celtic are probably a mid table League one side. Scottish Prem is probably at same level as Irish league. Hence why they walk it year in year out.

Tired lazy comment. The real truth is that this result exemplified why Neil Lennon shouldn't have got the job. Spends 10m on 2 defenders and leaves them on the bench only to see 3 crucial goals conceded (i dont mind the 4th as they had to throw caution to the wind at the end)


Don't engage that trolling cnut. He married his sister ffs.

Stop me if I've said something wrong about Celtic.

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #14529 on: August 14, 2019, 01:35:32 PM »
If ever a result exemplified the Scottish league and the talents of the players in it, this was it. Realistically Celtic are probably a mid table League one side. Scottish Prem is probably at same level as Irish league. Hence why they walk it year in year out.

Tired lazy comment. The real truth is that this result exemplified why Neil Lennon shouldn't have got the job. Spends 10m on 2 defenders and leaves them on the bench only to see 3 crucial goals conceded (i dont mind the 4th as they had to throw caution to the wind at the end)


Don't engage that trolling cnut. He married his sister ffs.

Second that.

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #14530 on: August 14, 2019, 01:49:39 PM »
Calls Celtic a poor side = trolling ****. LOL Sensitive much? I never even mentioned their open sectarianism. Oops.


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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #14531 on: August 14, 2019, 03:24:23 PM »
Celtic are not a good side by European standards. 2nd year in a row they have failed to even qualify for the Champions league group stages. Last year they stumbled through the group stages of the Europa League and got well beaten in the 1st knock out round.

The problem Celtic have is they can't attract top players anymore. Any signings outside of the Scottish league are going to be youngsters who they hope will improve or players near the end of their careers. They can't pay anything like the wages/transfer fees of premier league teams or even the top teams in the championship. Any of their European players who play well and/or shows potential is going to be signed/tapped up by European clubs.

Realistically the days of competing in the champions league are gone and just qualifying for the group stages will be an achievement in future
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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #14532 on: August 14, 2019, 05:47:56 PM »
Celtic are not a good side by European standards. 2nd year in a row they have failed to even qualify for the Champions league group stages. Last year they stumbled through the group stages of the Europa League and got well beaten in the 1st knock out round.

The problem Celtic have is they can't attract top players anymore. Any signings outside of the Scottish league are going to be youngsters who they hope will improve or players near the end of their careers. They can't pay anything like the wages/transfer fees of premier league teams or even the top teams in the championship. Any of their European players who play well and/or shows potential is going to be signed/tapped up by European clubs.

Realistically the days of competing in the champions league are gone and just qualifying for the group stages will be an achievement in future

Qualifying for the group stages is already an achievement for Celtic as itís hard enough when you have 4 qualifying rounds to go through. The europa league is a better level for celtic even though it means less money and glamour. It means we should be able to compete but itís not a given that we will even qualify for it.

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« Reply #14533 on: August 14, 2019, 06:20:28 PM »
Celtic are not a good side by European standards. 2nd year in a row they have failed to even qualify for the Champions league group stages. Last year they stumbled through the group stages of the Europa League and got well beaten in the 1st knock out round.

The problem Celtic have is they can't attract top players anymore. Any signings outside of the Scottish league are going to be youngsters who they hope will improve or players near the end of their careers. They can't pay anything like the wages/transfer fees of premier league teams or even the top teams in the championship. Any of their European players who play well and/or shows potential is going to be signed/tapped up by European clubs.

Realistically the days of competing in the champions league are gone and just qualifying for the group stages will be an achievement in future

Qualifying for the group stages is already an achievement for Celtic as itís hard enough when you have 4 qualifying rounds to go through. The europa league is a better level for celtic even though it means less money and glamour. It means we should be able to compete but itís not a given that we will even qualify for it.

But ye have to give yourself a chance. McGregor at LB whilst Lennon had over £10 million buys on the bench? I'm still shaking my head at that decision. What is £10 million to a Scottish club compared to a EPL club £100 million?? Lennon did say recently that the club had a contingency plan if Tierney left surely to god that plan wasnt to play McGregor at LB?

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Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« Reply #14534 on: August 14, 2019, 07:20:19 PM »
The reality is that this latest failure is a joint shambolic effort between The Board and Lennon.  Iíd love to know what their strategy/ ambition is.

Lennon should never have been reappointed but leaving that aside, where has the 10ís of millions that has been generated by the sale of the likes of Tierney, VvD (plus share of sell on to Liverpool by Southampton), Dembele, Armstrong etc actually gone? We must be one of the few teams on the planet with cash on the balance sheet and no debt! As a commercial enterprise/ listed entity itís embarrassing the return they are generating from the fan base and cash reserves they have.

I appreciate they are in a difficult position on one level due to the continual demise of the Scottish league but I think they should be investing much more in the team and the management such that they absolutely streak home domestically (margins for error reducing all the time) and more importantly securing champions league football each year. I donít expect them to qualify out of group stages but with the financial resources at hand they should get there.

FFS Sevco are now competing with them from a financial position that is close to the point of administration