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Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« Reply #840 on: March 06, 2020, 10:22:32 AM »
I hope they can finally do it so the Leeds fellas* in work fcuk up about it.


*Unsurprisingly in their 50s!

Us oldies understand loyalty!!
Great club, 'old school' belligerent supporters who 'get' their club.
I just hope for the sake of The Championship they dont get promoted.
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« Reply #841 on: March 06, 2020, 10:23:25 AM »
Do Leeds fans under the age of 50 exist in Ireland?

Fair question, alright!   ;D

There's a couple of lads in work here who are well under 50 and support Leeds, but in each case their dads did as well!! 

I get a sense that there are a lot of non Leeds fans would like to see us go up. It's not out of any love for Leeds, but (again my sense) is that Leeds will add a lot to the top division and - given the length of time away - be refreshing.

I know a couple of younger Leeds fans but yeah it has been passed down by their fathers. 

Long suffering.  Would be good to see them in the PL again. Just hope they don't swap places with Villa.

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« Reply #842 on: April 17, 2020, 04:09:42 PM »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/04/17/norman-hunter-collosus-time-hard-men-revelled-reputations/

In an era of great English footballers and great England football teams, Norman Hunter played alongside the best and although that was only a bit-part role for his country, there is no question that for Leeds United he was a colossus in their glory years.
This was a time when hard men revelled in their reputations and Hunter, who died today aged 76, was no different. His role in that infamous 1975 on-field punch-up with Francis Lee is part of his legacy but he also played in a hugely successful Leeds team of which he was a crucial part. A product of the club’s youth scheme, originally from County Durham, he was a regular for 13 seasons in the centre of Leeds’ defence, going from the old Second Division to winning league championships and a European Cup final.
He was an archetype of the era, a ferocious centre-back who mixed intimidation with bravery, commitment and a total dedication to the art of defending. But he was appreciated by his fellow professionals and voted the first-ever PFA Player of the Year in 1974. He was there for some of the epochs of the era including the 1966 World Cup finals and England’s failed defence in Mexico four years later. He played through Don Revie’s reign at Elland Road, the 44 days of Brian Clough in 1974 and then the defeat in Paris to Bayern Munich in the European Cup final the following summer.
His management career did not hit the heights that one might have expected given some of the great names he had played under, although that was largely the case for all Revie’s great Leeds players many of whom won six major trophies as well as the 1964 second division title. Hunter was given the nickname “Bites Yer Legs” - unusually long-winded, albeit accurate - which began with a banner at the 1972 FA Cup final and entered popular culture when repeated by Clough on television.
 
Hunter slides in to block Liverpool's Roger Hunt in 1965 CREDIT: PA
In an interview with TV Yorkshire in 2015, Hunter said: “Defending and the game then was slightly different - the physical side and the tackling side. You never got booked for your first tackle. It was always free so you went in that little bit harder. I am not saying it was right. Nowadays you wouldn’t get away with it. But I could play as well because of the players I played with, Johnny Giles, Billy Bremner, Bobby Collins. I enjoyed coming out and playing but the gaffer told me: ‘Your job is to win the ball and give it to those who can play’.”
He joined Leeds aged 15 having already left school to be an electrical fitter and was given his debut by Revie, a manager who inspired the devotion of his players. Hunter played alongside his fellow Geordie Jack Charlton in the centre of defence for around ten years although he was always behind the older Charlton brother when it came to England teams.
After Leeds’ promotion as champions of the second division, the league championship was won five years later in 1969 and then again in 1974. They won the 1968 League Cup, the 1972 FA Cup, and the Uefa Fairs Cup in 1968 and 1971. Between promotion in 1964 and the second of their first division titles ten years later, there were five runners-up places and Leeds never finished outside the top four. They reached the European Cup-winners’ Cup final in 1973 where they lost to AC Milan and were beaten in the European Cup final two seasons later.
They were on the wane by November 1975 when Hunter and Lee landed blows on one another during a game at the Baseball Ground, a fight that stands as a benchmark for the free-for-all football culture of the era. Hunter had already split Lee’s lip and both had been dismissed when hostilities resumed as they left the pitch. “A fight’s going on off the ball!” exclaimed John Motson in the Match of the Day commentary as he caught sight of round two before the BBC cameras picked it up.
In the second part Lee swung and connected with the taller Hunter who stumbled but got back to his feet before finally the two were parted. Both men were knocked down by the other but, as was typical of the era they were playing in, both were eager to demonstrate they had not been hurt. The priority then was to retaliate rather than appeal to the referee.
In his autobiography years later, Lee’s Derby team-mate Roy McFarland recalled the efforts of him and two staff to keep Lee from storming into the away dressing room afterwards to attack Hunter again. When Hunter and his team-mates arrived post-match in the Baseball Ground’s players’ bar – a move interpreted as provocative – Hunter was warned by McFarland he should leave. McFarland wrote: “The reply was a sneering: ‘We’re only stopping for a quick one, but make sure Lee gets the message — he doesn’t frighten me.’”
 
Hunter pictured outside 10 Downing Street in 2009 CREDIT: PA
Hunter played on for six years after leaving Leeds in 1976, at Bristol City and then Barnsley. As a manager at Oakwell he had moderate success and was in charge for four years. There were other spells as a manager at Rotherham United and Bradford.
Hunter won 28 caps for England between 1965 and 1974 and was a member of Sir Alf Ramsey’s World Cup squads in 1966 and 1970 although he did not play a game in 1966. Along with all the non-playing members of the squad in an era when there were no substitutes, he was told by Ramsey to be on the touchline at full-time of the final. Hunter was stuck in a Wembley Stadium lift with Jimmy Armfield when West Germany equalised before the end of 90 minutes. Non-playing members did not get a winners’ medal until 2009 when they were issued with them retrospectively by Fifa.
Hunter played one game at a World Cup finals, the defeat to West Germany in 1970, as a late substitute. He played in the 1968 European Championships in which England finished third, and was part of the side that failed to qualify for the 1974 World Cup finals. He started the fateful final qualifier against Poland at Wembley in October 1973 in which a draw was not enough to take England to the World Cup finals. His last cap was the following year against Czechoslovakia, which was also Revie’s last game in charge of the national team before his shock resignation.
Hunter never bore any grudges for being an understudy to Jack Charlton and Bobby Moore and had the greatest respect for Ramsey although in that television interview he did wonder wistfully what it would have meant to be part of the golden XI that lifted the Jules Rimet trophy. “The only disappointment is you are part of the squad but you never played,” he said, “those lads who actually did must have felt awesome.”
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Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« Reply #843 on: June 15, 2020, 11:27:44 AM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/06/15/leeds-finally-united-harmony-final-push-return-premier-league/

Leeds entered the hiatus unbeaten in six games and with five successive victories and clean sheets. This revival, following four defeats in five games, built up a convincing momentum with increasingly fluent performances and some correction in the 4-0 win at Hull to the over-reliance on the industrious but erratic Patrick Bamford to finish off the copious chances “Bielsaball” creates. In their final nine games they have only Fulham, in third and seven points behind, in the top six to play and enjoy the most favourable fixture list of the remaining contenders.
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Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« Reply #844 on: June 15, 2020, 03:04:00 PM »
I'm afraid the Leeds' fan in me is seeing doubts everywhere. Yes, we were on fire before the pandemic took hold, but will the break prove to be a disruption? Talk of five substitutes per team - will that mitigate against Leeds' high pressing style and relatively small squad? And of course, it's Leeds - if anyone can fook it up from here, Leeds can.

On the plus side, we normally start the season like a house on fire, so the big gap in terms of time should hopefully be in our favour, but I envisage nothing but a nerve shredding few weeks, with calamity the normal go to scenario!
 
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Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« Reply #845 on: June 15, 2020, 03:41:24 PM »
I see the break playing right into the hands of Leeds.  It is the rest that Bielsa's style does not normally allow for.

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Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« Reply #846 on: June 21, 2020, 05:14:24 PM »
Leeds were marginally the better of two ordinary sides today but conceded two poor goals and never really looked capable of getting back into the game. It was alarming how flat we were without Hernandez and we have to hope he is back for what is going to be a crunch match against Fulham. The inexperience of Meslier in nets is also a concern, as he was beaten twice at his near post by what were admittedly a couple of decent strikes after pretty dreadful losses of possession further out. The result was a big wake up call for those who have assumed that promotion was almost in the bag, but most of us know that Leeds never do anything the easy way.

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« Reply #847 on: June 21, 2020, 08:04:48 PM »
Leeds were marginally the better of two ordinary sides today but conceded two poor goals and never really looked capable of getting back into the game. It was alarming how flat we were without Hernandez and we have to hope he is back for what is going to be a crunch match against Fulham. The inexperience of Meslier in nets is also a concern, as he was beaten twice at his near post by what were admittedly a couple of decent strikes after pretty dreadful losses of possession further out. The result was a big wake up call for those who have assumed that promotion was almost in the bag, but most of us know that Leeds never do anything the easy way.

Bamford is a donkey and a waste of space up front. Doesn't offer any threat.

Can't blame either goal on the keeper. Centre half backed off and backed off the cardiff player and just let him shoot for the 1st. 2nd was an excellent finish drilled into the bottom corner off the inside of the post. No one stops that. The defender giving the ball away was at fault.

Do Leeds still have that French lad on loan? If so pick him up front instead of Bamford

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Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« Reply #848 on: June 21, 2020, 09:42:51 PM »
Meslier faced two shots on target during the entire game and was beaten by both of them at his near post. Both were well struck but an experienced keeper would have saved at least one of them. While Bamford gets a lot of stick, he leads the line effectively and suits Bielsa's style of play well. He is clearly not a brilliant finisher but Leeds have not got many goals from their wide players or midfielders either. Augustin, the French striker, has had fitness issues and may not be back in a white shirt. Bielsa favours a tight squad but he can be legitimately criticised for not ensuring we have options up front. However, if the players can deal with the pressure of the closing straight, which has been a huge problem in the past, Leeds are still in a strong position. Fulham will be a massive game.

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« Reply #849 on: June 22, 2020, 08:28:27 AM »
Meslier faced two shots on target during the entire game and was beaten by both of them at his near post. Both were well struck but an experienced keeper would have saved at least one of them. While Bamford gets a lot of stick, he leads the line effectively and suits Bielsa's style of play well. He is clearly not a brilliant finisher but Leeds have not got many goals from their wide players or midfielders either. Augustin, the French striker, has had fitness issues and may not be back in a white shirt. Bielsa favours a tight squad but he can be legitimately criticised for not ensuring we have options up front. However, if the players can deal with the pressure of the closing straight, which has been a huge problem in the past, Leeds are still in a strong position. Fulham will be a massive game.

There's a reason Leeds fans have been on Bamford's back this year. He's not good enough and this showed again yesterday. Several times his touch/control let him down when he had a chance to get in on goal. Leeds dominated possession but apart from one shot that Bamford accidentally blocked they were toothless offered little threat

Whatever about the 1st goal, but the 2nd goal was a quality finish. Id love to know what keeper you think would have stopped that half volley into the bottom corner.

Leeds high energy style isn't suited to these Covid games. Lack of preparation and 5 subs available to the opposition
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« Reply #850 on: June 23, 2020, 10:39:31 AM »
Meslier faced two shots on target during the entire game and was beaten by both of them at his near post.

That is harsh in the extreme. Technically both could be considered 'near post' shots, but the shots themselves were both from central positions, which were reflected in the keeper's positioning. Of more immediate concern for me would be how two of our more revered figures were not able to complete a straightforward pass under no pressure. Such weaknesses will be increasingly found out in our determination to play the ball out on the ground at all times. Both will get the benefit of the doubt of course whilst Bamford is singled out by most for the severest of criticism. Bamford was not good but I thought Costa, and Harrison in particular, were terrible.  Phillips remains a central player but our captain gets a free pass more often than not, as was evidenced in the post mortem for the Derby defeat at home in the play offs.


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Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« Reply #851 on: June 23, 2020, 02:06:51 PM »
In fairness to Meslier, he has only turned 20 and kept clear sheets in his two previous games. The frustration is that, while no one played particularly well against Cardiff, Leeds had more than enough possession and chances to win the game. Phillips and Harrison have been excellent all season but were among the main underperformers on the day. They rarely have two poor matches in a row so they can hopefully bounce back against Fulham.

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Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« Reply #852 on: June 27, 2020, 04:00:29 PM »
WBA lost last night
Leeds 1 nil up at half time
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« Reply #853 on: June 28, 2020, 03:01:12 PM »
Throughout this season, Leeds have regularly controlled games and dominated possession before conceding sloppy goals. It happened in reverse yesterday, and the element of luck which we were overdue produced a crucial result. Bielsa also offered a coaching masterclass, taking off Bamford and Costa at half time after they had combined for the first goal and completing reshaping his midfield. Alioski came off the bench and Harrison switched wings with both scoring, leaving an eight point gap over Brentford in third with seven games left. Four wins will almost certainly get us over the line, but Leeds seldom take the predictable route.

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« Reply #854 on: June 30, 2020, 10:17:00 AM »
The Fulham victory was a huge hurdle to overcome and as Mourne Rover said a rare moment when the luck was definitely on our side. The final scoreline flattered us but underlined the importance of Pablo Hernandez to the team. This was reflected in the fact that he was subbed on and with the result guaranteed, then subbed off again.

The remaining fixtures now appear to be - on paper - somewhat easier, but of course it does not take into account the fact that several of these teams are fighting for their Championship lives. The match tonight being a case in point. Luton drew at home to Preston and won at Swansea, in their last two games, which shows that they cannot be taken lightly.

The ghosts from the home fixture to Wigan on Good Friday last year still haunt me!!