Racist attacks in Belfast

[ardmhachaabu]

No minder and that was my point

[Maguire01]

For an Irish Republican to take the oath of allegiance to a British monarch is completely anathema to their entire raison d'etre

And governing Northern Ireland from a cosy office in Stormont is who's "raison d`etre" exactly?

The electorates'

Shame on them, eh? 

And for Westminster?

[ardmhachaabu]

For an Irish Republican to take the oath of allegiance to a British monarch is completely anathema to their entire raison d'etre

And governing Northern Ireland from a cosy office in Stormont is who's "raison d`etre" exactly?

The electorates'

Shame on them, eh? 

And for Westminster?

Here's what started this off;

And Shinners dont get elected to her majestys parliaments at either Westminster or Stormont? Catch a grip of yourself.

They don't take oaths of allegiance as they don't take their seats in Westminster, in Stormont they don't have to take an oath of allegiance

I merely pointed out how Irish Republicans would see the oath of allegiance to the queen.
Why you want to twist the thread to a different agenda, only you can answer.

[ardmhachaabu]

Did Bernadette Devlin-McAliskey take the oath away back when... can't really question her republican creditials all the same.

No she didn't take any oath.

[Maguire01]

For an Irish Republican to take the oath of allegiance to a British monarch is completely anathema to their entire raison d'etre

And governing Northern Ireland from a cosy office in Stormont is who's "raison d`etre" exactly?

The electorates'

Shame on them, eh? 

And for Westminster?

Here's what started this off;

And Shinners dont get elected to her majestys parliaments at either Westminster or Stormont? Catch a grip of yourself.

They don't take oaths of allegiance as they don't take their seats in Westminster, in Stormont they don't have to take an oath of allegiance

I merely pointed out how Irish Republicans would see the oath of allegiance to the queen.
Why you want to twist the thread to a different agenda, only you can answer.

It's no big deal. I'm sure you could have ignored Trevor Hill's post too.
But anyway, back to the racists.

[Oldhacker]

Quick one for Donagh - Seamus Tracy was appointed a QC in September 2000, after the carry-on about the oath was abolished. Adrian Colton took the same road some five years later, so your comments about him were factually wrong. It is around 20 years since he had any political involvement. Will an apology follow ?

[Donagh]

Quick one for Donagh - Seamus Tracy was appointed a QC in September 2000, after the carry-on about the oath was abolished. Adrian Colton took the same road some five years later, so your comments about him were factually wrong. It is around 20 years since he had any political involvement. Will an apology follow ?

Very good hacker, I was waiting on someone pulling me on that, but why not use you regular name? Still I won't apologise for stating my belief, I've no respect for those that take an oath of allegiance to a foreign monarch be they Stoops or 'Queen's Counsel' (sic). Sure how could you trust a person like that?

[Trevor Hill]

Donagh how do you feel about Seamus Tracey becoming a high court judge?

[Donagh]

Donagh how do you feel about Seamus Tracey becoming a high court judge?

No opinion on it to be honest but he couldn't be any worse than that **** Kerr from down the street.

[Trevor Hill]

Surely its a good thing to have a somewhat sympathetic judge?

[Donagh]

Surely its a good thing to have a somewhat sympathetic judge?

A judge should be impartial not sympathetic to anyone, especially foreign monarchs and their lackeys. 

[Trevor Hill]

A judge should be impartial not sympathetic to anyone, especially foreign monarchs and their lackeys. 

Obviously that is true of all Judges in NI in the past  Who do you class as foreign monarchs and their lackeys?

[TacadoirArdMhacha]

Did Bernadette Devlin-McAliskey take the oath away back when... can't really question her republican creditials all the same.

No she didn't take any oath.

You sure ardmhachaabu? How did she avoid it? Genuine question.

[Maguire01]

Did Bernadette Devlin-McAliskey take the oath away back when... can't really question her republican creditials all the same.

No she didn't take any oath.

You sure ardmhachaabu? How did she avoid it? Genuine question.

She did take it, did she not?
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=azR_Rav_OMYC&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=did+bernadette+devlin+take+an+oath&source=bl&ots=AEOFsvrczd&sig=TeFsU8iXYuNQTU0V2Xh7_Ws8CTo&hl=en&ei=7DlPSrC8G5-NjAeJluGtBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4

[Evil Genius]

Quick one for Donagh - Seamus Tracy was appointed a QC in September 2000, after the carry-on about the oath was abolished. Adrian Colton took the same road some five years later, so your comments about him were factually wrong. It is around 20 years since he had any political involvement. Will an apology follow ?

Very good hacker, I was waiting on someone pulling me on that, but why not use you regular name? Still I won't apologise for stating my belief, I've no respect for those that take an oath of allegiance to a foreign monarch be they Stoops or 'Queen's Counsel' (sic). Sure how could you trust a person like that?

It seems to me that Old Hacker has caught you out playing 'fast and loose' with the truth here, and no aspersion about his [OH's] "regular name", or re-statement of your general belief etc, will serve to deflect from that.

For this is what you originally posted on this topic, in the context of Colton being a QC (and former SDLP candidate):

"In fairness to the BBC the da is a pretty prominent QC and former politician so they're probably fair game. Though I'm probably biased in that I can't say I've much respect for those who took silk before McDonald and Tracey got the oath abolished, but then again I suppose Stoopers have no problems swearing oaths to foreign monarchs"

I have no doubt that you knew that Colton took silk after the Oath was abolished (and also that it is many years since he was involved in SDLP politics, at a fairly low level). Consequently, I have no doubt either that you deliberately chose a form of words which would clearly imply that Colton took the Oath, but without actually saying it,  thereby condemning him in the eyes of less well-informed observers than you, whilst still leaving you "wriggle room", should someone* take you up on it.

Yet when I made an erroneous point about the Alliance Party on another thread, you immediately used that as an excuse to accuse me of being a "liar" (and a "frequent" one, at that), even after I acknowledged my error, with an explanation of what had led me to get it wrong.

Familiar with the phrase "Hoist by your own Petard", Donagh?  

P.S. In your rush to condemn those who would "pledge allegiance to a foreign monarch", do you also include a certain Arthur Griffith, founder of, ahem, Sinn Fein, who campaigned for an Anglo-Irish Joint Monarchy, in a direct copy of the Hapsburg dominion over the two independent states of Austria and Hungary which prevailed at the time? For if Griffith had got his way, he and his fellow Shinners would have been swearing an Oath to Edward VII, King of Great Britain and also  King of Ireland...  



* -  Btw, rather than waiting  to see whether someone like OH would spot your deceit, I'd bet 'a pound to a shirt button' that you were actually hoping no-one would.