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Don Johnson

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« Reply #2670 on: October 11, 2018, 10:12:38 PM »
Sounds like a lovely man with a perfect temperament to be a priest and to be involved in Tyrone football.
mickey harte only keeps the finest of company.

What a pathetic c**k head you are.

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« Reply #2671 on: October 12, 2018, 12:01:53 AM »
Wasn’t he at st Brigids in Armagh as well for a time?

Yeah, I think he left St Pat's and then went to Principal at St Brigid's.  I left St Pat's in 1995 and I think it was shortly after that he moved across the city.

Yes think he moved in the late 90s. Funny how the Tyrone posters have a different view on him but in fairness he was extremely biased towards the Tyrone contingent at St. Pats, so I suppose he was ok if you weren't been put in bins or kicked for having your feet sticking out from under the desk etc...
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« Reply #2672 on: October 12, 2018, 12:09:29 AM »
Wasn’t he at st Brigids in Armagh as well for a time?

Yeah, I think he left St Pat's and then went to Principal at St Brigid's.  I left St Pat's in 1995 and I think it was shortly after that he moved across the city.

It would have been. I started St Pats in 94 and I don’t think he was at the school for a significant amount of time after I started


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« Reply #2674 on: December 19, 2018, 10:58:43 PM »

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« Reply #2675 on: February 26, 2019, 12:57:17 AM »
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Cardinal George Pell has been found guilty of sexual offences in Australia, making him the highest-ranking Catholic figure to receive such a conviction.

Pell abused two choir boys in the rooms of a Melbourne cathedral in 1996, a jury found. He had pleaded not guilty.

The verdict was handed down in December, but it could not be reported until now due to legal reasons.

Pell is due to be sentenced on Wednesday. His lawyers say they will appeal against the conviction.     

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« Reply #2676 on: February 26, 2019, 09:46:20 AM »
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Cardinal George Pell has been found guilty of sexual offences in Australia, making him the highest-ranking Catholic figure to receive such a conviction.

Pell abused two choir boys in the rooms of a Melbourne cathedral in 1996, a jury found. He had pleaded not guilty.

The verdict was handed down in December, but it could not be reported until now due to legal reasons.

Pell is due to be sentenced on Wednesday. His lawyers say they will appeal against the conviction.     


Vatican treasurer supposedly the number 3 position in the entire church, that whole organisation was drunk on its own power and feeling on invincibility its good to take their past catching up with them

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« Reply #2677 on: February 27, 2019, 02:03:33 PM »
Really wish Iceman was still around. If this was a senior Muslim cleric you'd have the likes of him, without a hint of irony, demanding to know why we're all so tolerant of such a rape cult.

f**king politicians like John Howard giving him glowing character references. Pell's lawyer, in arguing for a lower sentence described it as "vanilla sex"
"Never mind your why. Why ain't in your repetoire no more n***a"

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« Reply #2678 on: February 27, 2019, 02:30:52 PM »
Cardinal Theodore McCarrick removed as a priest a couple of weeks ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/16/us/mccarrick-defrocked-vatican.html

Also in this last couple of weeks, the diocese of Brooklyn, which also covers Queens, released a list of over 100 priests who have credible accusations against them.

https://dioceseofbrooklyn.org/sex-abuse-crisis-response/list/

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« Reply #2679 on: June 04, 2019, 07:08:10 PM »
http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/05/24/news/concerns-raised-over-how-catholic-diocese-of-dromore-handled-allegation-made-against-newry-cathedral-administrator-1337041/

CONCERNS have been raised over how the Catholic diocese of Dromore has handled an allegation made against the administrator of Newry Cathedral. It was revealed last weekend that Canon Francis Brown had stepped aside from public ministry while the allegation against him was investigated. However, it was claimed today that the priest remained in ministry in the diocese for six weeks after being made aware of the accusation.

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This happened over a year ago and I haven't seen any updates

He is not listed among the priests in the Newry parish

http://www.newrycathedralparish.org/people-and-places/priests/

and a priest is still listed as "Acting Administrator: Fr. Desmond Loughran"

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« Reply #2680 on: June 04, 2019, 10:09:13 PM »
http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/05/24/news/concerns-raised-over-how-catholic-diocese-of-dromore-handled-allegation-made-against-newry-cathedral-administrator-1337041/

CONCERNS have been raised over how the Catholic diocese of Dromore has handled an allegation made against the administrator of Newry Cathedral. It was revealed last weekend that Canon Francis Brown had stepped aside from public ministry while the allegation against him was investigated. However, it was claimed today that the priest remained in ministry in the diocese for six weeks after being made aware of the accusation.

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This happened over a year ago and I haven't seen any updates

He is not listed among the priests in the Newry parish

http://www.newrycathedralparish.org/people-and-places/priests/

and a priest is still listed as "Acting Administrator: Fr. Desmond Loughran"

One of the major issues with clerical abuse is that the Church moves at a glacial speed in dealing with matters. Firstly, it will await any civil investigation by social services and/or police and then it will proceed according to Canon law which it believes supersedes civil law. Hence, any investigation will take years to be resolved. Totally ridiculous.

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« Reply #2681 on: August 19, 2019, 08:38:50 PM »
http://www.newryreporter.com/pages/?title=CANON_CLEARED

Canon Francis Brown has been “unequivocally cleared” of any wrongdoing following a police probe into an allegation of an historical nature.
And the former Administrator of Newry Cathedral Parish expects to return to ministry in the very near future....

Meanwhile, a PPS decision not to prosecute a number of individuals following an 18-month police probe into abuse at St Colman’s College has been described as “bitterly disappointing” for survivors of abuse.
The Reporter revealed in April that police had sent files on seven individuals to the PPS following its year-long investigation into Malachy Finegan and other abuse claims at the Newry school.
Over 30 people contacted a special police team that was set up following revelations of serial sexual abuse by Finegan during his tenure at St Colman’s and as Parish Priest in Hilltown.
A PPS spokesperson said the Test for Prosecution has not been met in relation to files presented by police.

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« Reply #2682 on: September 18, 2019, 03:10:54 PM »
http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/09/18/news/concerns-raised-that-paedophile-priest-malachy-finegan-may-have-been-an-informer-1715181/

Concerns have been raised that alleged paedophile priest Malachy Finegan may have been an RUC informer. Finegan has been accused of sexual abuse across Co Down, including at St Colman's College in Newry where he taught from 1967. He also served was president of the school from 1976 to 1987.

The shocking revelations come just weeks after the Public Prosecution Service decided not to prosecute in eight cases following a police investigation linked to the activities of the former cleric. Kevin Winters, of KRW Law, last night confirmed that he has asked secretary of state Julian Smith on behalf on one of Finegan’s alleged victims to establish an inquiry into the claims of abuse levelled against the priest and others. Finegan’s long association with St Colman’s College brought him into contact with thousands of school children from republican backgrounds across Co Down and south Armagh.

Last night Mr Winters said “a central part” of the application to Mr Smith “is the allegation that Finegan was some form of ‘protected species’ when it came to criminal inquiry into his conduct”. “For many years there was anecdotal evidence only that he was some sort of low-level informant supplying information to the police on young fellas who might have been suspected republicans,” he said. “Many lads at St Colman’s college came from republican areas such as south Armagh. “That would have formed the basis for some sort of engagement with the RUC about what he knew on certain individuals.”

The solicitor revealed that "mounting suspicion was crystallised" when he was informed by letter recently "that on the grounds of NCND (neither confirm nor deny) the PSNI would be unable to rebut the simple allegation that Finegan was an informant". Mr Winters has raised concerns about the PSNI’s reliance on NCND saying the “policy is rolled out by the police when they want to protect the life of an alleged informant” and when there is a need to protect the lives of relatives if the person is dead. “I think its extraordinary that the police have seen fit to hide behind this blanket policy given that Finegan is dead nearly 20 years and he has obviously no surviving relatives,” he said. “Questions have to be asked why this approach has been taken here.”

The senior lawyer also raised the prospect that Finegan may have breached the confidential seal of confession - a sacrament of the Catholic Church. “It also raises a very disturbing issue on the usurping of the sanctity of the confessional box - for many over and above the immediate victims this is just too horrendous to contemplate,” he said. He added that “the continued absence of any explanations for the systemic cover up on Finnegan’s criminal activities the issuing of the NCND notice by the police may have inadvertently provided us with the answer. “To that end it’s a case of the reasons staring us in the face all along.”

High profile figures who attended St Colman’s have in the past spoken of their own encounters with the alleged predator. Mr Winters, who is also a former pupil at the school, has spoken about his own "unsettling" experience of the former priest. The Dromore diocese has said the first allegation against the former priest surfaced in 1994, seven years after he left St Colman's College. Finegan, who died in 2002, was also a parish priest of Clonduff in Hilltown in Co Down, where it is alleged he carried out further serious sexual abuse.