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We all know this disgusting scandal is as a result of The Church and The State, but who do you hold mostly accountable, and should therefore pay out the most in compensation to victims?

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playwiththewind1st

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« Reply #2235 on: January 20, 2018, 12:26:17 PM »
Shuffling paedos around, from parish to parish, to avoid convictions = being complicit, in any right thinking person's interpretation.

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« Reply #2236 on: January 20, 2018, 01:54:36 PM »
Shuffling paedos around, from parish to parish, to avoid convictions = being complicit, in any right thinking person's interpretation.

No shit!

That’s a jaw-dropping assertion from Tony!

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« Reply #2237 on: January 20, 2018, 01:57:21 PM »
The article in the IT is not required to present any evidence to  implicate Biship Barro in the cover up.  The evidence for that lies elsewhere. The IT is reporting the news story. Should people want to refute the basis for the story  on the grounds that they see no evidence in the article, then that denial has no merit.

The Catholic Herald called the appointment of the bishop "disastrous appointment of Bishop Barros could spell trouble for Pope Francis".

Article in Catholic journal  (ironically)  called Crux,    by John Allen the editor
https://cruxnow.com/church/2015/03/27/pope-francis-may-be-nearing-a-tipping-point-on-sexual-abuse/

"five members of the pope’s own anti-abuse commission have expressed “concern and incredulity” that Bishop Juan Barros has been given command of the Diocese of Osorno in Chile, despite his public record of defending the country’s most notorious abuser priest"

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« Reply #2238 on: January 20, 2018, 02:39:21 PM »
The pope states "there is not one shred of proof against him. It’s all calumny"

That's a very interesting choice of words. 

People don't bring proof, they bring evidence and guilt is established based on the balance of probabilities after examination of the merits of all the evidence.
Yet the Pope exclaims that it's all calumny, slanderous statements made to damage the bishop.
How exactly does the Pope shift from seeing no proof of guilt, to determining that it's all lies and slander? All lies, means every piece of evidence is a lie.
How did the Pope determine that ALL the evidence offered were lies? He accuses the abused of maliciously lying through their teeth in order to slander the bishop.
Perhaps the pope is afflicted with the delusion that he is God's representative on earth and everything he believes  has the status of absolute truth in all matters.

Ironic though that a catholic cleric would want to see proof before believing something.
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« Reply #2239 on: January 20, 2018, 02:49:55 PM »
Bullshit.Like all other organisations they have statutory child protection procedures.I agree that they are over scrutinised,by themselves,leaving many priests feeling abandoned by the Church when an as yet unfounded allegation is made against them.

Incidentally the above article is about totally unproven allegations against a Bishop about complicity.Whatever mistakes Church authorities made in the past in their handling of Child Abuse allegations,they were certainly not complicit.

Ah, it does not matter now whether he is innocent, he will always be guilty in the Public eyes (sadly)! The trust is lost! The bad smell from previous bad judgments and the above the law feel that the clergy had in the past has left a sour taste in the public's mouth. It will take a generation for this to pass over. By then it's hard to know at what level the Catholic Church will be operating.

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« Reply #2240 on: January 20, 2018, 02:50:21 PM »
Bloody South Americans......nothing but trouble.  Sooner we get back to electing Italian popes the better.  The church has gone completely down the tubes from they started putting people from strange lands & nations into the vatican hot seat. Next Pope should run on a "Latin Mass & buggery" ticket....good old traditional values.
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Re: Clerical abuse!
« Reply #2241 on: January 20, 2018, 04:10:23 PM »

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« Reply #2242 on: January 20, 2018, 04:20:13 PM »
Jesus I didn't know professional soccer clubs were supposed to be our moral guardians?
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playwiththewind1st

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« Reply #2243 on: January 20, 2018, 04:40:19 PM »
They might as well try, as the church of rome ain't been so good at it.

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« Reply #2244 on: February 07, 2018, 06:44:29 PM »
Not great news for the College!  BBC Spotlight programme coming up.  Severe amount of cover up going on.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42979314

Note that the BBC hasn't connected that the President of St Colman's was the school's Principal.
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« Reply #2245 on: February 07, 2018, 07:00:14 PM »
Not great news for the College!  BBC Spotlight programme coming up.  Severe amount of cover up going on.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42979314

Note that the BBC hasn't connected that the President of St Colman's was the school's Principal.

I wonder how the claimants got together - I certainly was never asked - so I guess it was a network of boarders.
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« Reply #2246 on: February 07, 2018, 07:00:49 PM »
This is another example of the BBC and their incitement of mob justice.  This information should be handed over to the authorities and they should be let carry out a proper investigation.

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T. Fearon.


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« Reply #2247 on: February 07, 2018, 10:44:05 PM »
Not great news for the College!  BBC Spotlight programme coming up.  Severe amount of cover up going on.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42979314
Note that the BBC hasn't connected that the President of St Colman's was the school's Principal.

"BBC reporter Mandy McAuley has been investigating this story for several months for a forthcoming BBC NI Spotlight programme"

Anyone know how to view BBCNI programs from the US, is there a way around the geoblocking?

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« Reply #2248 on: February 08, 2018, 08:31:38 PM »
A victim of the President(Headmaster) of St Colman's Newry speaks out:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42991175

What a brave man to come forward and to the public to highlight the abuse and the cover up.

From BBC:

Mr Faloon recalls raising the matter with the then Bishop of Dromore, Francis Brookes.
"He suggested I steer away from outside counselling services as they could be steering me in the wrong direction, and could lead me in the wrong direction," claims Mr Faloon. As a result, he says that Bishop Brookes arranged for him to complete counselling sessions with a nun.
Mr Faloon recalls meeting a nun "six or seven times" at an empty building that was similar to a "small office block". "We would go into a room down a corridor," he said. "The room had simply two chairs and an empty desk. Absolutely no other furniture." During the second last meeting with the nun, Mr Faloon says she told him that "given time, God will forgive you".
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« Reply #2249 on: February 08, 2018, 08:39:18 PM »

"BBC reporter Mandy McAuley has been investigating this story for several months for a forthcoming BBC NI Spotlight programme"

Anyone know how to view BBCNI programs from the US, is there a way around the geoblocking?

Use a VPN. Plenty of firms offering this software which allows you to connect to a server to hide your location.

https://www.bestvpn.com/best-usa-vpn/