Doire v Mhuineacháin 24/5/09

[Maguire01]

Up front Monaghan still rely on Freeman and if Derry stop him Monaghan will struggle. I think Cassidy will have enough men and a decent enough plan to snuff him out.

Ah, that old Tommy Freeman myth that those outside of Monaghan have. Take a look at the spread of scoring over this year's league. We have the likes of Downey, McManus, Finlay, Woods, Ronaghan... Tommy's a star forward, but we're not as reliant on his as we were a couple of years ago. But if Derry want to keep all of their backs concentrating on Tommy, that'll suit us fine. I'd imagine Cassidy has a handle on the reality however.

Sure - look at the scores. Freeman and Jap. Finaly mostly from frees on Freeman.
As for Ronaghan or Woods scoring! Come on! Downey may be a help though.

I think there was a stat last year that 60% of the scores for Monagahan come from Finlay and Freeman - snuff that out and your chances go up.

Well let's look at some stats. Last year's game v Derry:
Finlay - out from suspension
Of Monaghan's 1-13, the following scores did not come from Freeman - Hanratty (0-03), Gollogly (0-02), Clerkin (1-00), McManus, Woods, Smyth (0-01 each)

As for Ronaghan, well he hasn't played too many full games, but he has scored goals in the league against Armagh and Cork - he's had a pretty good return for the amount of game time he's had.

Woods hasn't scored as much during the league as normal, but he knocked over 3 points v Donegal in a Man of the Match performance in last summer's qualifier. He also put over 3 points in the league game against Wexford and has also scored against Kildare and Armagh (there may be others - i can't recall).

Monaghan scored 4-16 against Laois. Of that, Tommy scored 1-06. 3-10 came from other players.

During the league, we've also had scores from Damien Freeman, Lennon, Clerkin, McManus, Hughes, Dessie Mone, Downey, Hanratty, McQuaid........... and scored 1-13 against Armagh with Freeman sent off in the opening minutes.

[Oakleafer93]

Pity there are no Derry fans slagging off Dick Clerkin this year,
worked very well for that Clones game

P Bradley E Bradley S Bradley

Bad enough for us to facing one Bradley, but 3 of them?

2 more in Patsy and Paul as well!!

Is Paul still injured or is no one giving him a chance after his poor enough showing in the league? I feel a bit sorry for him, he didn't really get the chance, while a great club player he has struggled at county level

[Maguire01]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/the_championship/8055696.stm

[Main Street]

Woods hasn't scored as much during the league as normal, but he knocked over 3 points v Donegal in a Man of the Match performance in last summer's qualifier. He also put over 3 points in the league game against Wexford and has also scored against Kildare and Armagh (there may be others - i can't recall).

I think we will need a big game from Rory in order to tip the scales our way

[Main Street]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/the_championship/8055696.stm

Who won?

Derry v Monaghan
ULSTER CHAMPIONSHIP, FIRST ROUND
Venue: Celtic Park Date: Sunday, 17 May Throw-in: 1400 BST

[SidelineKick]

Woods hasn't scored as much during the league as normal, but he knocked over 3 points v Donegal in a Man of the Match performance in last summer's qualifier. He also put over 3 points in the league game against Wexford and has also scored against Kildare and Armagh (there may be others - i can't recall).

I think we will need a big game from Rory in order to tip the scales our way

[Schkite]

Woods hasn't scored as much during the league as normal, but he knocked over 3 points v Donegal in a Man of the Match performance in last summer's qualifier. He also put over 3 points in the league game against Wexford and has also scored against Kildare and Armagh (there may be others - i can't recall).

I think we will need a big game from Rory in order to tip the scales our way

Hope he does better than the first round game last year though! He usually saves his best for later in the summer(MOTM Kerry 07, Donegal 08), but we really need him in this game as you say MS.

[Logan]

Up front Monaghan still rely on Freeman and if Derry stop him Monaghan will struggle. I think Cassidy will have enough men and a decent enough plan to snuff him out.

Ah, that old Tommy Freeman myth that those outside of Monaghan have. Take a look at the spread of scoring over this year's league. We have the likes of Downey, McManus, Finlay, Woods, Ronaghan... Tommy's a star forward, but we're not as reliant on his as we were a couple of years ago. But if Derry want to keep all of their backs concentrating on Tommy, that'll suit us fine. I'd imagine Cassidy has a handle on the reality however.

Sure - look at the scores. Freeman and Jap. Finaly mostly from frees on Freeman.
As for Ronaghan or Woods scoring! Come on! Downey may be a help though.

I think there was a stat last year that 60% of the scores for Monagahan come from Finlay and Freeman - snuff that out and your chances go up.

Well let's look at some stats. Last year's game v Derry:
Finlay - out from suspension
Of Monaghan's 1-13, the following scores did not come from Freeman - Hanratty (0-03), Gollogly (0-02), Clerkin (1-00), McManus, Woods, Smyth (0-01 each)

As for Ronaghan, well he hasn't played too many full games, but he has scored goals in the league against Armagh and Cork - he's had a pretty good return for the amount of game time he's had.

Woods hasn't scored as much during the league as normal, but he knocked over 3 points v Donegal in a Man of the Match performance in last summer's qualifier. He also put over 3 points in the league game against Wexford and has also scored against Kildare and Armagh (there may be others - i can't recall).

Monaghan scored 4-16 against Laois. Of that, Tommy scored 1-06. 3-10 came from other players.

During the league, we've also had scores from Damien Freeman, Lennon, Clerkin, McManus, Hughes, Dessie Mone, Downey, Hanratty, McQuaid........... and scored 1-13 against Armagh with Freeman sent off in the opening minutes.

First of all you can't look at the Laois match - that was a turkey shoot. I heard Banty even got a point that day - in fact going on League scoring is a poor idea.

The only guy there you've mentioned that scored anything substaintial was Hanratty - and he's not playing. As for Woods, maybe 2 points most.

Monaghan rely on Freeman too much and like I said if that is snuffed or he gets injured I think Monaghan will struggle.
 

[Maximus Marillius]

Thats is a serious list fo injuries for Derry

Patsy Bradley, Niall Mc Cusker, Lockhart, Mark Lynch, Collie Devlin, Paul Bradley and now Muldoon. As I said on the Derry thread, is this possibly a bluff by the Derry management...thats 7 players who are very capable of playing.

[Logan]

Hardly a bluff

Patsy Bradley - Defo out - Another 3 weeks I'd say
Niall Mc Cusker  - Defo out- Long term
Lockhart - Defo out
Mark Lynch  - Defo out
Collie Devlin - Defo out
Paul Bradley - Defo out
Muldoon  - Defo out

Missing cover -
Conway
Gilligan
Wilkinson

Fitness Question -
Doherty
Barry McGoldrick

[whiskeysteve]

Thats is a serious list fo injuries for Derry

Patsy Bradley, Niall Mc Cusker, Lockhart, Mark Lynch, Collie Devlin, Paul Bradley and now Muldoon. As I said on the Derry thread, is this possibly a bluff by the Derry management...thats 7 players who are very capable of playing.

Think your reading a bit much into it Max, the derry management arent the ones openly speculating on injuries, its ourselves with time on our hands on the gaaboard. So I dont think this is mindgames.

The simpler explanation is that they are all carrying genuine injuries, the question is to what extent.

I think we have seen in Derry before and with Down recently that playing mind games and muddying the waters vis a ve selection is at best ineffective and at worst counter productive.

[Logan]

Cassidy isn't someone who strikes me as interested in playing mind games

[whiskeysteve]

Gillis

Mc Guckin
Mc Cloy
G O Kane

SL Mc Goldrick
Barry Mc Goldrick
P Cartin

Doc
James kKelt

Lynn
Murphy
Lynch (If he is deemed fit) or else Mullan

Eoin Bradley
Paddy Bradley
Seamus Bradley

I dont mean to pick on your selection Oakleaf but picking kielt at midfield with his age, experience and ball winning ability shown to date is not wise

[SidelineKick]

Hardly a bluff

Patsy Bradley - Defo out - Another 3 weeks I'd say
Niall Mc Cusker  - Defo out- Long term
Lockhart - Defo out
Mark Lynch  - Defo out
Collie Devlin - Defo out
Paul Bradley - Defo out
Muldoon  - Defo out

Missing cover -
Conway
Gilligan
Wilkinson

Fitness Question -
Doherty
Barry McGoldrick

[Oakleafer93]

Whiskey Steve, I have admitted it is a bit of a gamble but James have never looked comfortable on the wing and there is limited options for midfield with only other one Diver who hasn't been too productive of late. As I have said before, although not to compared, he captained Derry to an All Ireland Minor final from Midfield so he obviously has a degree of maturity about it, and regarding experience there is only one way you can get it!! For the past couple or 3 seasons Muldoon has been playing in the wing forward position, when moved into his natural midfield position he was dynamite. I'm not saying its a way to solve the midfield problem but it is certainly an option.