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Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« Reply #39645 on: November 20, 2018, 09:43:23 PM »
Three options from CCC to go to Clubs at a meeting on Thursday night. <snip>
I'd go for option 2. I'd also add to it a few more suggestions...

* Forget about calling them 1A/1B/2A/2B/3 and just call them 1/2/3/4/5.

* Automatic two-up two down promotion & relegation from each division, with an additional play-off between 8th placed team in higher division & 3rd placed team in lower division at a neutral venue.

* Other than the above interdivisional play-off, no other playoff games to be scheduled unless they are required as laid out in the GAA's Official Guide to determine final league positioning (as is currently the case) where it is needed for promotion/relegation or championship grading for the following season. The team that finishes top of the division are declared the winners.

* Failure to fulfil a league fixture shall have a team deducted two points on the first offence that season. A second or subsequent offence shall see a further three point deduction on each occasion.

* Determining the championship grade for the following season as set out, except that the 10th place team in Division 1(1A) shall play in the Intermediate championship the following season, and the 10th place team in Division 3(2A) shall play in the Junior championship the following season - an exception will be if either such team win the Senior or Intermediate championship the same season they finish 10th in their division.

* Have in each division a straight knockout league cup. Rounds are preliminary (two ties in all divisions except one tie in division 5), quarter, semi and final. All games to be played to a finish on the day i.e. extra time & free-kick shoot-out if required. Neutral venue only for each division final. Prem round ties to be played weekend before league starts or some time around that period, quarter finals played on the same weekend the Tyrone senior football team play their first game in the Ulster SFC, semis where possible be played before July holiday break.

* Introduce the new league/championship scheme in 2020, with league & championship placings determined by 2019 league & championship finishing. Note that 2019 final league positions exclude championship winners (so 15th in Divisions 1&2 are bottom and 16th in Division 3).

New Division 1 - 2019 SFC winners & 1st - 9th place in 2019 Division 1. (10)
New Division 2 - 2019 IFC winners & 10th - 14th place in 2019 Division 1 & 1st - 4th in 2019 Division 2. (10)
New Division 3 - 2019 JFC winners & 15th in 2019 Division 1 & 5th - 11th in 2019 Division 2 & 1st in 2019 Division 3. (10)
New Division 4 - 12th - 14th in 2019 Division 2 & 2nd - 8th in 2019 Division 3. (10)
New Division 5 - 15th in 2019 Division 2 & 9th - 16th in 2019 Division 3. (9)

By having the bottom placed teams in the 2019 League divisions 1 & 2 be subject to a lower division for 2020 than the teams that finish above them, it'll help teams in the 2019 league that suffer a bad start after the first few rounds still focus on not finishing bottom rather than giving up early on.

SFC 2020: 2019 SFC & IFC winners & 1st - 13th place in 2019 Division 1 & 1st in 2019 Division 2. (16)
IFC 2020: 2019 JFC winners & 14th - 15th in 2019 Division 1 & 2nd - 13th in 2019 Division 2 & 1st in 2019 Division 3. (16)
JFC 2020: 14th - 15th in 2019 Division 2 & 2nd - 16th in 2019 Division 3. (17)

Even if option 2 doesn't become the consensus, I'd still reckon the points deduction for forfeiting games and the league cup suggestion are worthy of broader consideration.
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Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« Reply #39646 on: November 23, 2018, 10:06:38 AM »
Three options from CCC to go to Clubs at a meeting on Thursday night. <snip>
I'd go for option 2. I'd also add to it a few more suggestions...

* Forget about calling them 1A/1B/2A/2B/3 and just call them 1/2/3/4/5.

* Automatic two-up two down promotion & relegation from each division, with an additional play-off between 8th placed team in higher division & 3rd placed team in lower division at a neutral venue.

* Other than the above interdivisional play-off, no other playoff games to be scheduled unless they are required as laid out in the GAA's Official Guide to determine final league positioning (as is currently the case) where it is needed for promotion/relegation or championship grading for the following season. The team that finishes top of the division are declared the winners.

* Failure to fulfil a league fixture shall have a team deducted two points on the first offence that season. A second or subsequent offence shall see a further three point deduction on each occasion.

* Determining the championship grade for the following season as set out, except that the 10th place team in Division 1(1A) shall play in the Intermediate championship the following season, and the 10th place team in Division 3(2A) shall play in the Junior championship the following season - an exception will be if either such team win the Senior or Intermediate championship the same season they finish 10th in their division.

* Have in each division a straight knockout league cup. Rounds are preliminary (two ties in all divisions except one tie in division 5), quarter, semi and final. All games to be played to a finish on the day i.e. extra time & free-kick shoot-out if required. Neutral venue only for each division final. Prem round ties to be played weekend before league starts or some time around that period, quarter finals played on the same weekend the Tyrone senior football team play their first game in the Ulster SFC, semis where possible be played before July holiday break.

* Introduce the new league/championship scheme in 2020, with league & championship placings determined by 2019 league & championship finishing. Note that 2019 final league positions exclude championship winners (so 15th in Divisions 1&2 are bottom and 16th in Division 3).

New Division 1 - 2019 SFC winners & 1st - 9th place in 2019 Division 1. (10)
New Division 2 - 2019 IFC winners & 10th - 14th place in 2019 Division 1 & 1st - 4th in 2019 Division 2. (10)
New Division 3 - 2019 JFC winners & 15th in 2019 Division 1 & 5th - 11th in 2019 Division 2 & 1st in 2019 Division 3. (10)
New Division 4 - 12th - 14th in 2019 Division 2 & 2nd - 8th in 2019 Division 3. (10)
New Division 5 - 15th in 2019 Division 2 & 9th - 16th in 2019 Division 3. (9)

By having the bottom placed teams in the 2019 League divisions 1 & 2 be subject to a lower division for 2020 than the teams that finish above them, it'll help teams in the 2019 league that suffer a bad start after the first few rounds still focus on not finishing bottom rather than giving up early on.

SFC 2020: 2019 SFC & IFC winners & 1st - 13th place in 2019 Division 1 & 1st in 2019 Division 2. (16)
IFC 2020: 2019 JFC winners & 14th - 15th in 2019 Division 1 & 2nd - 13th in 2019 Division 2 & 1st in 2019 Division 3. (16)
JFC 2020: 14th - 15th in 2019 Division 2 & 2nd - 16th in 2019 Division 3. (17)

Even if option 2 doesn't become the consensus, I'd still reckon the points deduction for forfeiting games and the league cup suggestion are worthy of broader consideration.

No movement on this last night, from the meeting they seemed to be making it up as they go along and Eunan isn't sure on what he wants.

Trillick were big against it.

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Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« Reply #39647 on: November 23, 2018, 10:14:11 AM »
I would be inclined to go for option 1 , but forget about the additional competition.
I honestly think there is enough games over the course of a season, its just the 'feast or famine' structure and the uncertainty that annoys players.
no games at all for 10 weeks last year was the  real gripe.
if they have kept some of the starred games , it would have been better to play 1 game every other weekend throughout the whole summer, have them consistently spread out and at least players would eb aware of what weekends are likley to be 'free'

I would also consider moving the holiday break to the first two weeks in August rather than July as it is more likley to coincide with the super 8 period when there will be no club games anyway.
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Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« Reply #39648 on: November 23, 2018, 12:00:21 PM »
I would be inclined to go for option 1 , but forget about the additional competition.
I honestly think there is enough games over the course of a season, its just the 'feast or famine' structure and the uncertainty that annoys players.
no games at all for 10 weeks last year was the  real gripe.
if they have kept some of the starred games , it would have been better to play 1 game every other weekend throughout the whole summer, have them consistently spread out and at least players would eb aware of what weekends are likley to be 'free'

I would also consider moving the holiday break to the first two weeks in August rather than July as it is more likley to coincide with the super 8 period when there will be no club games anyway.

Telling people to go on their Holidays instead of going to support Tyrone in the Super 8's wouldn't go down well!

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« Reply #39649 on: November 25, 2018, 04:52:48 PM »
Dungannon earn their place in Division 1 next season, a young side that are on the up. Be interesting to see what they will bring. Good luck to Aghyaran in Division 2 still think Killyclogher had a major say in their relegation.
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« Reply #39650 on: November 25, 2018, 07:28:55 PM »
Great win for the Clarke’s today. All worked out well in the end for mcnulty and he scored the Clarke’s last point to seal the win.

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« Reply #39651 on: November 25, 2018, 09:09:57 PM »
6 new sides in Div 2 next year as Beragh went up and Aghyaran went down via play offs. Must be the biggest change since it went to 3 x 16s? I guess!
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« Reply #39652 on: November 26, 2018, 02:55:41 PM »
Fair play to the clarkes getting promotion via the scenic route.

Tyrone club football finally finishes on 25th November, with most clubs out again at the beginning to mid January, there doesn't be much of an off-season.

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« Reply #39653 on: November 26, 2018, 03:13:57 PM »
Great win for the Clarke’s today. All worked out well in the end for mcnulty and he scored the Clarke’s last point to seal the win.

Was McHugh playing? Would have been a massive miss for Aghyaran if he wasn’t - worth 4/5 points at least. If the Clarkes can survive for a few seasons then they could mount a challenge as they have serious amount of good young players coming through from minor level this past few seasons....big if however.

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« Reply #39654 on: November 26, 2018, 03:56:35 PM »
Great win for the Clarke’s today. All worked out well in the end for mcnulty and he scored the Clarke’s last point to seal the win.

Was McHugh playing? Would have been a massive miss for Aghyaran if he wasn’t - worth 4/5 points at least. If the Clarkes can survive for a few seasons then they could mount a challenge as they have serious amount of good young players coming through from minor level this past few seasons....big if however.

I’d imagine he wasn’t, considering he was rumoured to have done his cruciate, game changer because he is a serious player. Was anyone at the game? Who played well for both and did mcnamee play well? I seen he was star man in paper last week but talking to a man at the game and he said he wasn’t that impressive, maybe he just wants to go back on holiday. Heard the clarkes have a good team that could be ready for division 1. Time will tell

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« Reply #39655 on: November 26, 2018, 07:40:24 PM »
Great win for the Clarke’s today. All worked out well in the end for mcnulty and he scored the Clarke’s last point to seal the win.

Was McHugh playing? Would have been a massive miss for Aghyaran if he wasn’t - worth 4/5 points at least. If the Clarkes can survive for a few seasons then they could mount a challenge as they have serious amount of good young players coming through from minor level this past few seasons....big if however.

Mchugh wasnt playing seen him on crutches at the game. McNamee was excellent in first half. Dungannon midfield only got going in second half. Dungannon bringing on subs kiefer morgan and paddy quinn changed the game. Clarkes a bit inexperienced to not see it out in normal time. Good end to end game, clarkes have a lot more depth now they had last time they went up.

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Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« Reply #39656 on: November 26, 2018, 08:09:35 PM »
Great win for the Clarke’s today. All worked out well in the end for mcnulty and he scored the Clarke’s last point to seal the win.

Was McHugh playing? Would have been a massive miss for Aghyaran if he wasn’t - worth 4/5 points at least. If the Clarkes can survive for a few seasons then they could mount a challenge as they have serious amount of good young players coming through from minor level this past few seasons....big if however.

Mchugh wasnt playing seen him on crutches at the game. McNamee was excellent in first half. Dungannon midfield only got going in second half. Dungannon bringing on subs kiefer morgan and paddy quinn changed the game. Clarkes a bit inexperienced to not see it out in normal time. Good end to end game, clarkes have a lot more depth now they had last time they went up.
The subs helped dungannon but it was us loosing 2 of our defenders to injury that lost us the game imo. Didn't help us having lost another one already, early on in the game to a black card.

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« Reply #39657 on: December 01, 2018, 11:06:49 PM »
Any management comings and goings ahead of the new season. Who’s hot and who’s not?
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« Reply #39658 on: December 03, 2018, 10:00:19 PM »
Not sure if many neutrals attended the Paul McGirr u16 final yesterday in dromore. In what was a great spectacle for underage football in Ulster. We were lucky to come out on the right side and bring another underage trophy back to the steps of Quinn’s corner. Some outstanding performances on the carmen team which we hope will drive these lads on to greater things in a not so distant future!!

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« Reply #39659 on: December 04, 2018, 04:39:32 PM »
Not sure if many neutrals attended the Paul McGirr u16 final yesterday in dromore. In what was a great spectacle for underage football in Ulster. We were lucky to come out on the right side and bring another underage trophy back to the steps of Quinn’s corner. Some outstanding performances on the carmen team which we hope will drive these lads on to greater things in a not so distant future!!

Even As a Dromore man I have to admit it was an astonishing game of football played in horrendous conditions, a real credit to both teams and an awesome occasion, the atmosphere in the stand in the last 10 minutes was something to behold, Carmen deserving winners and they have some serious talent in that team. For anyone who wants to see the entire production click onto the ’Spirit of Paul McGirr’ on Facebook and you can see the build up and the full game with Michaél O’Muircheartaigh commentating. It was without doubt the best game I witnessed in a long time.