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« Reply #37875 on: June 12, 2018, 09:09:27 AM »
In no way trying to downplay Carson's injury but to clarify he wasn't hit off the ball or from behind without warning. He had the ball and the Lough play tackled/punched with close fist and caught him when Carson was full on sprinting with the ball.

Again not condoning it but wasn't in the same vein as the Castlederg incident.

Omagh Gael, Carson was hit off the ball! he had played the ball whenever the punch came in and it was from behind/side late. Young carson turned into the punch, I was there and have seen the video. Both acts the same in my eyes

I was at game and Sludden didn't even give a free for initial incident which I think was the injury. Not 100% sure that was the exact cause of the injury though as I had taken my eye off the play for a second. A full on brawl started after that but Mark was still down from initial incident.
Omagh Gael, that's some description of what happened after saying that you had taken your eye off the play and didn't see the incident....

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« Reply #37876 on: June 12, 2018, 09:55:15 AM »
It would be interesting to hear peoples thoughts on the punishment for striking.  Is a month enough or too much?

Personally, I think anybody who strikes should get at least 6 months to try and stamp this out.  I know a lot of people with an old school mentality will think this draconian but we have seen a number of high profile cases in the courts in recent times regarding one punch attacks so everybody should be aware of the potential consequences of striking.

Striking is a one game ban now, and has been for the last few seasons.
We had a lad sent off for striking in the senior game two weeks ago. Was able to play for reserves last weekend (but suspended for senior game). So yeah, maybe things should be reviewed.

That's a complete nonsense that a suspended player can play reserves the following week.

Agree that the penalty needs to be harsher for strikes, particularly if identified in a melee/off the ball etc. Its one thing two lads squaring up to each other but cowardly blindside strikes need to be stamped out. Refs have a tough job but with the massive amount of video evidence available from most games now, retrospective action should be taken if possible and meaningful bans imposed.

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« Reply #37877 on: June 12, 2018, 10:06:32 AM »
Yeah thems the rules. I've seen in the past too whereby a lad gets a straight red card in the reserve game, then comes on in the senior game (on the same day like)

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« Reply #37878 on: June 12, 2018, 10:09:59 AM »
In no way trying to downplay Carson's injury but to clarify he wasn't hit off the ball or from behind without warning. He had the ball and the Lough play tackled/punched with close fist and caught him when Carson was full on sprinting with the ball.

Again not condoning it but wasn't in the same vein as the Castlederg incident.

Omagh Gael, Carson was hit off the ball! he had played the ball whenever the punch came in and it was from behind/side late. Young carson turned into the punch, I was there and have seen the video. Both acts the same in my eyes

I was at game and Sludden didn't even give a free for initial incident which I think was the injury. Not 100% sure that was the exact cause of the injury though as I had taken my eye off the play for a second. A full on brawl started after that but Mark was still down from initial incident.
Omagh Gael, that's some description of what happened after saying that you had taken your eye off the play and didn't see the incident....

Since that post it was clarified what happened. I was merely trying to point out that it wasn't the exact same situation as the Castlederg punch. Lough player clearly in the wrong and is serving his time (well above the usual suspension) as a result.

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« Reply #37879 on: June 12, 2018, 10:49:04 AM »
Exactly OG, not sure how they came up with 8 weeks

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« Reply #37880 on: June 12, 2018, 11:16:08 AM »
Exactly OG, not sure how they came up with 8 weeks

Maybe had previous offence?

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« Reply #37881 on: June 12, 2018, 11:21:06 AM »
I didnt realise the ban was as low as that, thats crazy.  I also dont think there should be any distinction  between types of strikes.  I agree theres a certain moral difference between two lads squaring up and a sneaky punch from behind but in this day and age there should be zero tolerance for striking.

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« Reply #37882 on: June 12, 2018, 11:40:00 AM »
Exactly OG, not sure how they came up with 8 weeks

Maybe had previous offence?
Didn't know the rules accounted for "previous" ??

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« Reply #37883 on: June 12, 2018, 12:04:31 PM »
Exactly OG, not sure how they came up with 8 weeks

Maybe had previous offence?
Didn't know the rules accounted for "previous" ??

Same offence within a 12 month period warrants a double length of ban IIRC

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« Reply #37884 on: June 12, 2018, 12:13:50 PM »
I didnt realise the ban was as low as that, thats crazy.  I also dont think there should be any distinction  between types of strikes.  I agree theres a certain moral difference between two lads squaring up and a sneaky punch from behind but in this day and age there should be zero tolerance for striking.

I tend to agree. Like yourself I don’t particularly have an issue if two lads go toe to toe but in the interests of stamping out the more dangerous acts it should be a blanket punishment. For example, two players box and one gets the better of the other. Ref shouldn’t have to judge if the player is defenceless say.

The big thing is that the minimum punishment has to be meaningful, at least 4 weeks and needs to be consistently enforced. There would be a lot of suspensions at the start but players might cop on then.

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« Reply #37885 on: June 12, 2018, 01:02:40 PM »
I see Barry O'Donnell (Ulster herald) tweeted about the competitiveness of Division two this year. Here's the table below:

1 An Eaglais, Naoimh Pádraig                18
2 Gortin St Patrick's                              14
3 Loughmacrory St. Teresa's                 14
4 Owen Roe O`Neill's GAC, Leckpatrick  13
5 An táite Riabhach Naoimh Pádraig       11
6 Dungannon Thomas Clarke GAA          11
7 Stewartstown Harps                           11
8 Augher St Macartan's GFC                  11
9 Moortown St Malachy's                       11
10 Cookstown Fr. Rock's GAA                11
11 Strabane Sigersons                           8
12 Kildress Wolfe Tones                         8
13 Urney St Columba's                          7
14 Achadh Lú Uí Néill                            6
15 An Caisleán Glas Naoimh Padraig       4
16 Derrytresk Fir an Chnoic                   0

Lough have a game in hand (replay of Greencastle game) over all other teams so are well placed to secure second spot, assuming Eglish don't slip up again. Our remaining fixtures are Derrytresk, Aghaloo, Augher, Greencastle, Tattyreagh and Gortin. We've Augher, GC and Tatts away.

Gortin are also well placed to have a rattle at second place. They have Greencastle, Aghaloo, Urney, Cookstown (away) and the Lough.

Stewartstown were also very well placed but messed up big time against the Lough by failing to take a 13m free to secure a two point lead, lost the ball and conceded an equaliser with last play of the game. They subsequently lost to Moortown so have fallen well back at this point.

Owen Roes have found a rich vein of form recently and have flew up the table to be on 13 points. The only downside for them is they have played all the teams around the foot of the table and face a tough away game in Cookstown against a rejuvenated Fr Rocks. They also still have to face Eglish.

Outside of that there a 6 teams on 11 points which really highlights the competitiveness of the division, any of these teams could make a late charge for the top of the table although games running out now.

Edit: to include games missed.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2018, 02:08:22 PM by omagh_gael »

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« Reply #37886 on: June 12, 2018, 01:22:35 PM »
Loughmacrory have 6 games remaining, not 5.

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« Reply #37887 on: June 12, 2018, 01:30:51 PM »
Loughmacrory also have Augher, while Gortin have Urney. Fixtures not included in OG post there.
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« Reply #37888 on: June 12, 2018, 01:31:31 PM »
Castlederg number 5 blinsides a Clogher player.

The CCC could have set down a marker by suspending Gallagher from Loughmacrory for at least 12 months If not longer. If young Carson's injury was served as a warning it's been soon forgotten. If players knew that they were going to get lengthy & meaningful suspensions this type of cowardice would soon fizzle out. Do the crime - serve the time!

Seen that clip.. as I said before if my son was assaulted like that he be heading for the court house. At least have the balls to fight toe to toe rather than blindsiding like that. So dangerous

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« Reply #37889 on: June 12, 2018, 01:36:14 PM »
I didnt realise the ban was as low as that, thats crazy.  I also dont think there should be any distinction  between types of strikes.  I agree theres a certain moral difference between two lads squaring up and a sneaky punch from behind but in this day and age there should be zero tolerance for striking.

I tend to agree. Like yourself I don’t particularly have an issue if two lads go toe to toe but in the interests of stamping out the more dangerous acts it should be a blanket punishment. For example, two players box and one gets the better of the other. Ref shouldn’t have to judge if the player is defenceless say.

The big thing is that the minimum punishment has to be meaningful, at least 4 weeks and needs to be consistently enforced. There would be a lot of suspensions at the start but players might cop on then.

There is no way we should go back to time bound suspensions, it needs to be a number of games, but agree that 1 game is far too low for a strike or any sort of violent act.
The issue with the old system where you got a month  was that a month could mean missing 4/5 games or it could mean missing 1, it wasnt a fair way of doing things.

personally i think a striking offence should be 3 games automatically, and potential to be even more if it is reviewed by ccc
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