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Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« Reply #37665 on: May 16, 2018, 12:53:30 PM »
This seems to have moved on from having a thirds team which does not have to train as much to a recreational league. As a few have indicated the recreational league could run into insurance issues unless sanctioned by County board and under the auspices of individual clubs.

However I would still contend that the clubs with the bigger population centres could increase their playing numbers by having a Thirds team which does not have the same level of commitment as a Senior player in a Division 1 club.

Carrickmore had one a few years ago as well I think. But they struggled to keep the numbers together.
With regards to commitment. If they were looking to be competitive in D3 they would require a fair level of commitment. Most of the Div 3 teams train as much as a lot of  Div 1 & 2.
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Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« Reply #37666 on: May 16, 2018, 01:03:09 PM »
This seems to have moved on from having a thirds team which does not have to train as much to a recreational league. As a few have indicated the recreational league could run into insurance issues unless sanctioned by County board and under the auspices of individual clubs.

However I would still contend that the clubs with the bigger population centres could increase their playing numbers by having a Thirds team which does not have the same level of commitment as a Senior player in a Division 1 club.

Carrickmore had one a few years ago as well I think. But they struggled to keep the numbers together.
With regards to commitment. If they were looking to be competitive in D3 they would require a fair level of commitment. Most of the Div 3 teams train as much as a lot of  Div 1 & 2.


Agreed. If you are not training 2/3 nights a week regularly you will get left behind very quickly in D3 - speaking from personal experience! Errigal thirds struggled for a few years but seem to be taking it a lot more seriously now and are beating some of the top ranked teams in the league.

Tiempo's idea is a good one. Would this type of competition not face the same resistance from County Board/Croke Park as the over 40's though?

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« Reply #37667 on: May 16, 2018, 01:20:37 PM »
What's the whole insurance debate thing about really, if there was a recreational club just treat it like the Cookstown Street League or whatever, you don't worry about insurance with playing a bit of indoor with your mates. How does the competion that Galbally run every year work like.


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« Reply #37668 on: May 16, 2018, 01:34:29 PM »
Who will organise this league. There is underage girls and boys matches/training nearly every night on club pitches so getting at  evening that would suit all wouldn't happen. It would turn into a farce after a bit. Between injurys, clubs being open to injury claims as it wouldn't be sanctioned by the county board. Div 3 reserve football is as close as your get to something like that. Mental what some people can dream up off. Daydreamers half of Yous

It's a great idea to be fair, but in reality it would hit problems. Because it's recreational and there isn't as much onus on players, you'd find it hard to have the numbers week in and week out. There'd be games cancelled due to lack of numbers every week as people just wouldn't invest as heavily in it. Which is a pity as it would be great for the pool of players who are either past it or not prepared to put in the effort of training 4 days a week.

Around Dungannon about 20 or so years ago there used to be a pub league which was basically a recreational league with teams from the various pubs taking part. Was great craic.
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« Reply #37669 on: May 16, 2018, 01:36:38 PM »
Who will organise this league. There is underage girls and boys matches/training nearly every night on club pitches so getting at  evening that would suit all wouldn't happen. It would turn into a farce after a bit. Between injurys, clubs being open to injury claims as it wouldn't be sanctioned by the county board. Div 3 reserve football is as close as your get to something like that. Mental what some people can dream up off. Daydreamers half of Yous

It's a great idea to be fair, but in reality it would hit problems. Because it's recreational and there isn't as much onus on players, you'd find it hard to have the numbers week in and week out. There'd be games cancelled due to lack of numbers every week as people just wouldn't invest as heavily in it. Which is a pity as it would be great for the pool of players who are either past it or not prepared to put in the effort of training 4 days a week.

Around Dungannon about 20 or so years ago there used to be a pub league which was basically a recreational league with teams from the various pubs taking part. Was great craic.

A pub league is probably the way to go about a recreational league then there can be a focal point for pints after the game lol.
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« Reply #37670 on: May 16, 2018, 01:46:26 PM »
Who will organise this league. There is underage girls and boys matches/training nearly every night on club pitches so getting at  evening that would suit all wouldn't happen. It would turn into a farce after a bit. Between injurys, clubs being open to injury claims as it wouldn't be sanctioned by the county board. Div 3 reserve football is as close as your get to something like that. Mental what some people can dream up off. Daydreamers half of Yous

It's a great idea to be fair, but in reality it would hit problems. Because it's recreational and there isn't as much onus on players, you'd find it hard to have the numbers week in and week out. There'd be games cancelled due to lack of numbers every week as people just wouldn't invest as heavily in it. Which is a pity as it would be great for the pool of players who are either past it or not prepared to put in the effort of training 4 days a week.

Around Dungannon about 20 or so years ago there used to be a pub league which was basically a recreational league with teams from the various pubs taking part. Was great craic.

I've seen pictures of my da in these games actually.

Then there was the league cup a few years ago too, was a good bit of craic - wasn't taken 'as serious' as league or championship but was great craic and an opportunity for lads to get playing proper senior football who were on the fringes or needed that bit of belief.

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Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« Reply #37671 on: May 16, 2018, 01:58:08 PM »
Lack of insurance is recreational football main stumbling block.,

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« Reply #37672 on: May 16, 2018, 02:10:50 PM »
Gavin McGilly walked from Moy apparently. Any truth to the rumour? If so, who will step up?

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« Reply #37673 on: May 16, 2018, 03:21:22 PM »
Gavin McGilly walked from Moy apparently. Any truth to the rumour? If so, who will step up?

Heard this also. RTE and non availability of certain players at the weekend apparently, they haven't fielded in a good few reserve games. Division 2 awaits.

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« Reply #37674 on: May 16, 2018, 03:52:16 PM »
Checked this out and apparently itís true. McGilly is now a free agent and the Moy are sitting bottom of Division 1 without a manager.  Think itís more than last weekend but you canít imagine in a starred fixture to lose Sean Cavanagh to RTE was a positive for him and the club. Looks like there only going one direction ⬇️
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« Reply #37675 on: May 16, 2018, 04:02:34 PM »
The problems arose before the season even started given the numbers and lack of commitment at training.
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Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« Reply #37676 on: May 16, 2018, 04:41:46 PM »
What's the whole insurance debate thing about really, if there was a recreational club just treat it like the Cookstown Street League or whatever, you don't worry about insurance with playing a bit of indoor with your mates. How does the competion that Galbally run every year work like.

Insurance would be an issue and there would be a number of ways to address it. You'll find in England that the RFU have oversight of the touch game, they have fantastic structure, not perfect I'm sure but plenty the GAA could take on board and vice versa with some GAA best practice. If no oversight by GAA then your registration and player injury scheme (which is pish anyway) isn't valid as not official "competitions". I would imagine the RFU use a portion of the entry fee to temporarily register the participants in some form and cover them on a low grade generic scheme, in effect you wouldn't need to be a member of the GAA or a club to play and you could enter as a group of friends without paying affiliation etc. An absolute minefield in terms of the Official Guide at present, in simple terms impossible given the constraints, but nothing that can't be overcome with one simple motion at congress to allow for this level of social participation under a specific set of guidelines/rules.

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« Reply #37677 on: May 16, 2018, 05:01:41 PM »
In South Antrim (mostly the belfast clubs) we have a south antrim league. its pretty much recreational football, played every thursday night. 15 a side if both teams have 15 if 1 team has 13 then 13 a side is played. works great, clubs grade 15 players who can't play. its always a good mix of older lads in their late 30s early 40s and some lads who need game time and also some lads who just dont wanna commit to senior or senior reserve. i think there are 12 teams in the league and there are very few fail to field. also have a championship for it. As its pretty much all belfast teams there is very little travelling which probably helps a lot too.

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Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« Reply #37678 on: May 16, 2018, 09:07:29 PM »

Errigal have the biggest pick of any club in Tyrone?

I'd say Omagh would run them close. Coalisland at stages can have up to 50 men out from what they tell me. Carrickmore used to be in this debate but men at that club could tell you better - think there was a football/hurling split some years ago caused a bit of bother. Don't think anyone else really gets close? Maybe Dromore?
Can't ever remember a fall out between the footballers and hurls in the past few years in fact it is probably stronger than ever now. Carmen had a thirds team for a couple of years but I think it was all older lads or very young. The older boys didn't want to train

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Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« Reply #37679 on: May 17, 2018, 07:57:31 AM »
Anyone know if Club Championship draw is on tonight?