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« Reply #38175 on: August 10, 2018, 01:49:18 PM »
Agreed that teams appreciate the competitive games

I was at the Drumragh V Errigal III Reserve Championship game.
Errigal fielded a very strong team of players that was mostly made up of thirds Senior players

It was a little disappointing to see a team of young lads that have had a strong league campaign, get completely whipped at home by the "same" team they beat in the league at dunmoyle

Playing Senior players in the Reserve Championship is a completely different debate to what you guys are discussing here but its the sort of thing that may add to any gripe some might have about a thirds team

Yeah former county under 21 Sean McKenna is playing in the reserve championship in D3 this year because he didn't play on the thirds senior championship team last year (he was with the firsts and their reserves last year), same with a few others whom dropped down this year. Devalues the compeition from a reserve prespective.

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« Reply #38176 on: August 10, 2018, 04:38:17 PM »
Agreed that teams appreciate the competitive games

I was at the Drumragh V Errigal III Reserve Championship game.
Errigal fielded a very strong team of players that was mostly made up of thirds Senior players

It was a little disappointing to see a team of young lads that have had a strong league campaign, get completely whipped at home by the "same" team they beat in the league at dunmoyle

Playing Senior players in the Reserve Championship is a completely different debate to what you guys are discussing here but its the sort of thing that may add to any gripe some might have about a thirds team

Yeah former county under 21 Sean McKenna is playing in the reserve championship in D3 this year because he didn't play on the thirds senior championship team last year (he was with the firsts and their reserves last year), same with a few others whom dropped down this year. Devalues the compeition from a reserve prespective.

Did he play senior or reserve championship last year?
I thought you were ineligible if you played in the higher grade the year before.

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« Reply #38177 on: August 10, 2018, 06:33:49 PM »
Agreed that teams appreciate the competitive games

I was at the Drumragh V Errigal III Reserve Championship game.
Errigal fielded a very strong team of players that was mostly made up of thirds Senior players

It was a little disappointing to see a team of young lads that have had a strong league campaign, get completely whipped at home by the "same" team they beat in the league at dunmoyle

Playing Senior players in the Reserve Championship is a completely different debate to what you guys are discussing here but its the sort of thing that may add to any gripe some might have about a thirds team

Yeah former county under 21 Sean McKenna is playing in the reserve championship in D3 this year because he didn't play on the thirds senior championship team last year (he was with the firsts and their reserves last year), same with a few others whom dropped down this year. Devalues the compeition from a reserve prespective.

I seen that. Which is definitely a flaw in the system. But is it not that the last senior championship game makes you ineligible for reserve championship? Did Sean make an appearance in last year's final against Omagh? Either way, I think it takes away from the point regarding Errigal 3rds. Despite all this, they are an extra set of competitive games in Div 3 and are a welcome addition. For example, their reserve team are top of the League where I can only assume it doesn't have some of their senior players every week.

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« Reply #38178 on: August 10, 2018, 10:44:23 PM »
Clean sweep for errigal with 2 reserve championship titles tonight in Healy Park

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« Reply #38179 on: August 10, 2018, 11:02:45 PM »
Clean sweep for errigal with 2 reserve championship titles tonight in Healy Park

Fantastic night and with the minor championship last weekend adds up to a decent 7 days for the club.

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« Reply #38180 on: August 10, 2018, 11:06:07 PM »
Clean sweep for errigal with 2 reserve championship titles tonight in Healy Park

Fantastic night and with the minor championship last weekend adds up to a decent 7 days for the club.

A pity the real Junior Clubs won't be able to compete against the calibre of player Errigal is putting out on the field for a Div 3 Reserve game. A situation which will only get worse in the next few years.

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« Reply #38181 on: August 11, 2018, 10:19:33 AM »
Clean sweep for errigal with 2 reserve championship titles tonight in Healy Park

Fantastic night and with the minor championship last weekend adds up to a decent 7 days for the club.

A pity the real Junior Clubs won't be able to compete against the calibre of player Errigal is putting out on the field for a Div 3 Reserve game. A situation which will only get worse in the next few years.

Maybe says more about the effort other clubs are putting in rather than Errigal who have their house in order.

Maybe the County Board will have to split Errigal in two like Dublin??

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« Reply #38182 on: August 11, 2018, 12:14:02 PM »
Clean sweep for errigal with 2 reserve championship titles tonight in Healy Park

Fantastic night and with the minor championship last weekend adds up to a decent 7 days for the club.

A pity the real Junior Clubs won't be able to compete against the calibre of player Errigal is putting out on the field for a Div 3 Reserve game. A situation which will only get worse in the next few years.

Maybe says more about the effort other clubs are putting in rather than Errigal who have their house in order.

Maybe the County Board will have to split Errigal in two like Dublin??

I would honestly like to see a resolution to this situation that suits all the Clubs.

Put it this way - all the way up through youth level Errigal players are playing in Grade 1, winning County, Ulster and All Ireland titles with big numbers. That's not the case for many teams from Junior Clubs who are playing in Grade 3/4. So when these teams finally come through to adult, Errigal will have Grade 1 standard footballers in Div 3 and the other Clubs wouldn't have the players to compete.

Junior Clubs are feeling majorly aggrieved at the situation. I've talked to players and members from almost all Div 3 Clubs and they all feel that it's not right or fair that the County board is letting this happen.

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« Reply #38183 on: August 11, 2018, 12:37:31 PM »
I don't really get why Errigal retaining players and keeping them playing football (regardless of ability level) is being seen as a bad thing. Other big clubs lose players to soccer or transfers to other clubs. Omagh boys going to Drumragh, Tattureagh, Dregish, Drumquin or Coalisland/Clonoe boys going to Brocagh/Derrytresk, etc.

None of this was an issue in other years the Thirds finished near bottom of the league, etc. Knowing the boys on the Thirds they've been lucky this last two years to have got good management in place whereas years previous they struggled to get anyone to take them. Added to the fact older boys have left the senior/reserve panel due to age and not being able to make the required commitment it's left them a good side this year.

Also, there's only ever been one club for the parish of Errigal Ciaran which comprises of 4 TOWNLANDS. It was previously named Ballygawley St Ciarans

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« Reply #38184 on: August 11, 2018, 03:43:43 PM »
I have no issue with Errigal fielding a team in Div3, if they have the numbers to do so then good for them.

For me there have been 2 issues this year. Firstly players that played for Errigal senior or senior reserve championship in 2017 were eligible to play for the junior reserve championship due to the fact they had not played junior championship in 2017 and the county board considered them to be two different teams, which in anybodyís reckoning is a farce. The fact that they beat us so easily in the reserve championship and we are top of the reserve league tells itís own story. Many of these same players will line out for Errigal III in the junior championship too.

Secondly and on a more general note, there were several clubs who were unable to play players in the reserve championship who have played reserve league all year due to the fact that they played in the junior championship in 2017 (probably as a sub) and are now unlikely to get any championship football. This needs to be addressed by the county board as it deprives players of playing the main type of football that any player trains so hard for.

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« Reply #38185 on: August 11, 2018, 09:54:50 PM »
I have no issue with Errigal fielding a team in Div3, if they have the numbers to do so then good for them.

For me there have been 2 issues this year. Firstly players that played for Errigal senior or senior reserve championship in 2017 were eligible to play for the junior reserve championship due to the fact they had not played junior championship in 2017 and the county board considered them to be two different teams, which in anybodyís reckoning is a farce. The fact that they beat us so easily in the reserve championship and we are top of the reserve league tells itís own story. Many of these same players will line out for Errigal III in the junior championship too.

Secondly and on a more general note, there were several clubs who were unable to play players in the reserve championship who have played reserve league all year due to the fact that they played in the junior championship in 2017 (probably as a sub) and are now unlikely to get any championship football. This needs to be addressed by the county board as it deprives players of playing the main type of football that any player trains so hard for.
Two very different arguments there, first that the rules are not restrictive enough and the second that they are too restrictive.

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« Reply #38186 on: August 11, 2018, 11:57:11 PM »
Reserve championship after first round of senior is only solution. Itís annoying and pushes the reserve championship out, but stops this whole nonsense were a player may be forced to miss a years championship football and stops the problem with EC being able to drop ex first team players into the reserve championship and then also being involved in the IIIís after that.
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« Reply #38187 on: August 12, 2018, 01:52:30 AM »
Clogher win the Division 3 league title after a facile win over Glenelly on Saturday evening. 2nd to 5th is Eskra, Beragh, EC III & Killeeshil, with Drumragh in 6th place who will enter promotion play-offs should any of the five above them win the JFC.
http://tyronegaa.ie/fixtures-results/?clubID=1083&compID=103189&leagueTable=y
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« Reply #38188 on: August 12, 2018, 02:13:36 AM »
Also, there's only ever been one club for the parish of Errigal Ciaran which comprises of 4 TOWNLANDS. It was previously named Ballygawley St Ciarans.
A club able to field four adult mens football teams comprised of just four townlands would be pretty damn impressive! However the parish of Errigal Kerogue has around 60 townlands if my half-arsed research is correct**. Rather there are four "areas" of the parish that haven't any official recognition but usually come about as such due to some collective factor.

Also, there has never "only ever been one club for the parish of Errigal Ciaran" as there was Ballygawley St. Ciaran's and the unaffiliated Glencull St. Malachy's from modern history, the two clubs merging to form Errigal Ciaran.  ;) Probably some other clubs have existed in the area before, usually these are from the early decades of the 20th century when the GAA in Tyrone was commonly in a flux up until around 1932/33.



** Detractors I'm sure will point out that Errigal's effective "catchment" is a bit more than this, but they're not the only ones whose effective catchment spills out beyond parish boundaries. As an example, Seskinore lies in the same parish as Beragh but most football players from there come to Fintona as it lies closer to the village than Beragh itself.
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« Reply #38189 on: August 12, 2018, 05:23:36 AM »
I have no issue with Errigal fielding a team in Div3, if they have the numbers to do so then good for them.

For me there have been 2 issues this year. Firstly players that played for Errigal senior or senior reserve championship in 2017 were eligible to play for the junior reserve championship due to the fact they had not played junior championship in 2017 and the county board considered them to be two different teams, which in anybodyís reckoning is a farce. The fact that they beat us so easily in the reserve championship and we are top of the reserve league tells itís own story. Many of these same players will line out for Errigal III in the junior championship too.

Secondly and on a more general note, there were several clubs who were unable to play players in the reserve championship who have played reserve league all year due to the fact that they played in the junior championship in 2017 (probably as a sub) and are now unlikely to get any championship football. This needs to be addressed by the county board as it deprives players of playing the main type of football that any player trains so hard for.

Couple of points stand out above. Are both clubs not top of the reserve league together? I think from memory that reserve league meeting between both, you drew? On top of that it was a midweek game, with a lot of Red Knight seniors playing following the game at the weekend, a bit hypocritical to be harsh of one team exploiting a rule in one competition when Beragh were guilty of the same in a separate competition, with the aim of giving their reserves a better chance of winning the league.

The system is undoubtedly flawed. Nobody is arguing that, but I think to point the finger solely at Errigal IIIs here is wrong. Every club will play eligible senior players in Reserve Championship if they did not get cup tied the previous year. A quick look at the Castlederg team photo from the other evening proves this also. The system of naming 12 starred players, that were unable to play reserve football, worked best. Stops the overstacking of teams with players that would normally be first team players.

The world is not perfect, but this negativity towards a club that is doing a fantastic job at retaining players,  is nothing short of embarrassing.