NFL Division 2 Final - Muineacháin v Corcaigh - 26th April 2009

thebandit · April 27, 2009, 12:46:02 AM

I always said that this was a 'bonus' day out, and I stick to that. A month can be a long time in football, and I still think we'll be there or thereabouts in Celtic Park.

Schkite · April 27, 2009, 01:02:25 AM

Quote from: thebandit on April 27, 2009, 12:46:02 AM
I always said that this was a 'bonus' day out, and I stick to that. A month can be a long time in football, and I still think we'll be there or thereabouts in Celtic Park.

I think the team thought that too! Won't have much of a bearing on the Derry game I don't think tbh.

timmyot501 · April 27, 2009, 10:34:21 AM

Don't think it turned out to be much of a "bonus" in the end (but I know what u mean). It was a poor day out. The first half of the Kerry v Derry game was decent but that was the height of any entertainment. Monaghan had the biggest support but we had very little to shout about bar a brief spell at the start of the 2nd half. Too many players lost form at the same time yesterday. Cork were not brilliant but they could easily have won by a greater margin. I don't think this game will have a major effect on the preperations for Celtic Park. It is going to be a tough game and at least yesterday gave us lots to work on.

Main Street · April 27, 2009, 01:19:57 PM

Cork's goal was a classic textbook clinical finishing of a good move.

I had thought before that it was a nothing game but when it's Croke Park and the fans travel in decent numbers, I thought just maybe we would have a decent divisional final performance. The overall feeling was that the whole team already felt they had done their league duty in getting a deserved promotion. Why Cork didn't suffer too much from that syndrome, I don't know.
The basic level of physicality around midfield that Cork offered, easily put the Monaghan lads on the back foot /losing possession too easily. It reminded me of the Kildare game in that respect.
We could do with 2 Vinny Coreys.

marym · April 27, 2009, 01:51:08 PM

Main street. Main difference in Cork is that players are fighting for their place on the panel and the team. They have 38 training and more due from under 21 panel. That panel has to be cut to 30. Cussen and Miskella are expected to come into the equation. Also John Hayes kicked some great points in against Armagh. Graham Canty has been quoted as saying that you cannot take it easy for one training session as there are guys breathing down your neck. Kerry are the form team but there is a feeling on leeside that their backline are still suspect .

Zulu · April 27, 2009, 02:56:16 PM

I'm pretty surprised at the level of delusion shown by Monaghan posters on this thread, you were well beaten yesterday with pretty much a full strength team by a Cork team who could have anywhere between 3 and 6 changes for the championship. And from what I can see a lot of you are saying that the reason you were beaten was because you didn't really care too much about this game but that Cork did!! If Monaghan can't get up for a national final then there is something wrong and if I were a Monaghan supporter I'd be a bit concerned about what I saw yesterday. In saying that Derry wern't overly impressive either and I think you played the best team in CP yesterday but there were still a number of red flags for Monaghan supporters and you'd be foolish IMO to think yesterday was simply Monghan not being tuned in.

thebandit · April 27, 2009, 03:02:22 PM

Quote from: Main Street on April 27, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
Cork's goal was a classic textbook clinical finishing of a good move.

I had thought before that it was a nothing game but when it's Croke Park and the fans travel in decent numbers, I thought just maybe we would have a decent divisional final performance. The overall feeling was that the whole team already felt they had done their league duty in getting a deserved promotion. Why Cork didn't suffer too much from that syndrome, I don't know.
The basic level of physicality around midfield that Cork offered, easily put the Monaghan lads on the back foot /losing possession too easily. It reminded me of the Kildare game in that respect.
We could do with 2 Vinny Coreys.

It's a pity he's not a twin

GrandMasterFlash · April 27, 2009, 03:36:08 PM

Quote from: thebandit on April 27, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 27, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
Cork's goal was a classic textbook clinical finishing of a good move.

I had thought before that it was a nothing game but when it's Croke Park and the fans travel in decent numbers, I thought just maybe we would have a decent divisional final performance. The overall feeling was that the whole team already felt they had done their league duty in getting a deserved promotion. Why Cork didn't suffer too much from that syndrome, I don't know.
The basic level of physicality around midfield that Cork offered, easily put the Monaghan lads on the back foot /losing possession too easily. It reminded me of the Kildare game in that respect.
We could do with 2 Vinny Coreys.

It's a pity he's not a twin

Where his said twin? Was he not on the panel at the start of the year? Would be good cover for corner back and would allow JP out the field if necessary..

GrandMasterFlash · April 27, 2009, 03:40:20 PM

Quote from: Zulu on April 27, 2009, 02:56:16 PM
I'm pretty surprised at the level of delusion shown by Monaghan posters on this thread, you were well beaten yesterday with pretty much a full strength team by a Cork team who could have anywhere between 3 and 6 changes for the championship. And from what I can see a lot of you are saying that the reason you were beaten was because you didn't really care too much about this game but that Cork did!! If Monaghan can't get up for a national final then there is something wrong and if I were a Monaghan supporter I'd be a bit concerned about what I saw yesterday. In saying that Derry wern't overly impressive either and I think you played the best team in CP yesterday but there were still a number of red flags for Monaghan supporters and you'd be foolish IMO to think yesterday was simply Monghan not being tuned in.

Take your point Zulu. Monaghan kicked 2 ponts at the end to take the bad luck of it.. I think the thing Monaghan supporters are/were saying (at least to me direclty after the game) was that there was no bite or intensity to it. I reckon Cork never got out of 3rd gear either. Monaghan were very lax and allowed Cork to run at them several times. Our half-forward and half-backs were not at it yesterday. This completely exposed the full-back line and made them look not great either. But there are no excuses, Monaghan were bad yesterday and should have been able to produce a much more spirited performance given the fact it was a national final.

Maybe Banty's an 'evil genius' and didn't want to show his hand to them Derry wans...

lynchbhoy · April 27, 2009, 04:08:24 PM

all this 'arse boxing' teams not wanting to win or pretending they dont want to win league final games etc.

I still think that Cork (albeint they lost the focus for a long part in yesterdays game) are a team that could destroy every side and win Sam - kerry included.

when they hit form for a while yesterday they looked unbelieveable.
I said it last year and still think they have what it takes to win Sam.
Only problem they have now is focus and being right mentally.

bingobus · April 27, 2009, 04:25:43 PM

Quote from: thebandit on April 27, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 27, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
Cork's goal was a classic textbook clinical finishing of a good move.

I had thought before that it was a nothing game but when it's Croke Park and the fans travel in decent numbers, I thought just maybe we would have a decent divisional final performance. The overall feeling was that the whole team already felt they had done their league duty in getting a deserved promotion. Why Cork didn't suffer too much from that syndrome, I don't know.
The basic level of physicality around midfield that Cork offered, easily put the Monaghan lads on the back foot /losing possession too easily. It reminded me of the Kildare game in that respect.
We could do with 2 Vinny Coreys.

It's a pity he's not a twin

I can't help but feel that Monghan have unearthed no new talent this year or have found out anything about the squad. Banty harped on about using 28 players in the league but a few of these have left the panel.

James Conlon - a midfielder by trade was never tested in MF. Corner back, full back, half back and taken off after 20 minutes and is now gone from squad.
Martin Corey - may be injured but hasn't been seen.
Edmund Lennon - tight marking Corner back on county final winning team but never featured. Is he injured? Myabe the freemans don't want him playing.
Mark McNally - plays CB for Carrick but hasn;t got a look in all year. Gary Mac has got in front of him everytime.

We still don't have options in Midfield. Hanratty has not shown any form and we where left with an 18 year old player for the future to come in yesterday. Vinny Corey hasn;t played any way consistent all league and most have played every minute.
Duffy in goals can only hoof the ball as far as he can, no short kick outs and variation. He caught a ball yesterday and walked over the line with it.

On their day, Monaghan can give anyone a run but not sure if they have the squad or belief to go all the way in Ulster.

GalwayBayBoy · April 27, 2009, 04:57:11 PM

Cork certainly seem the side best placed to upset Kerry or Tyrone this year. That said I'm still not sure they have what it takes to beat Kerry in a big game outside the confines of the Munster championship. Kerry have toyed with them really at Croke Park. Even the drawn game last year Kerry should have won at a canter only for switching off totally towards the end. Physically though Cork must be the biggest team in the country. Plus they have some decent forwards now. Maybe none of them are marquee forwards but still enough to do damage considering they are usually going to win plenty of possession elsewhere.

Kerry Mike · April 29, 2009, 11:00:42 PM

Some Pics of Cork v Monaghan

http://s211.photobucket.com/albums/bb43/mipix2007/Cork%20v%20Monaghan/?albumview=slideshow

Bud Wiser · April 29, 2009, 11:14:53 PM

You want to watch yourself there KM, the managers of Cork and Down were interviewed on RTE on Sunday and Ross Carr said when asked about young players going to Australia that "the GAA would want to do something about it". The Cork Manager said that " Australia was good for the GAA players because when the came back they brough back new ideas that helped make the GAA more professional". So if they are turning Pro down there (officially) they might look for money for them pics.