The Many Faces of US Politics...

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J70

Quote from: Mourne Red on October 30, 2024, 02:53:52 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 30, 2024, 01:27:31 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2024, 01:13:01 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 30, 2024, 08:55:53 AMHas either of these two got a policy of note to discuss?

I mean one of them does if you bothered to look. But they are domestic policies.

And Trump wants to do massive tariffs, round up and expel millions of immigrants, and replace much of the professional civil service with political lackeys.

Why do you keep dropping illegal and undocumented when saying immigrants? Simple fact check says that's his policy not ones who are legally allowed there

THAT'S your only problem on the topic?

What about those for whom he has pledged to remove their currently legal status? He did it before with the TPS residents. He's pledged to the same again, this time specifically mentioning the Haitian immigrants in Springfield Ohio whom he so racistly slandered.

J70

Quote from: whitey on October 30, 2024, 02:36:34 PMWhat's happening in Gaza is essentially a non issue in this election

Illegal immigration and cost of living are the two issues that are driving those on the right

Resistance to Trump and access to abortion is driving those on the left

Its enough of an issue that it could hand Trump the edge he needs to win a state like Michigan. We're only talking about thousands of votes being the difference.

LA Times pulled it's endorsement of Harris because the daughter of its billionaire owner did not like her mainstream US position on Israel and Gaza.

Between people of Arab descent and progressives, she might lose enough of the vote she'd ordinarily get that it could hand it to Trump.

Maybe Bernie's pep talk will help, but it's late in the game.

seafoid

Quote from: J70 on October 30, 2024, 03:19:16 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 30, 2024, 02:36:34 PMWhat's happening in Gaza is essentially a non issue in this election

Illegal immigration and cost of living are the two issues that are driving those on the right

Resistance to Trump and access to abortion is driving those on the left

Its enough of an issue that it could hand Trump the edge he needs to win a state like Michigan. We're only talking about thousands of votes being the difference.

LA Times pulled it's endorsement of Harris because the daughter of its billionaire owner did not like her mainstream US position on Israel and Gaza.

Between people of Arab descent and progressives, she might lose enough of the vote she'd ordinarily get that it could hand it to Trump.

Maybe Bernie's pep talk will help, but it's late in the game.
Bezis who owns thevWashington post stayed on the fence, much to the anger of the journalists.i still think Harris will win. Trump has nothing to offer independent voters.

Eamonnca1

FAO the "one side is as bad as the other" crowd - Don't make me tap that chart:


Eamonnca1

Quote from: Mourne Red on October 30, 2024, 02:53:52 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 30, 2024, 01:27:31 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2024, 01:13:01 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 30, 2024, 08:55:53 AMHas either of these two got a policy of note to discuss?

I mean one of them does if you bothered to look. But they are domestic policies.

And Trump wants to do massive tariffs, round up and expel millions of immigrants, and replace much of the professional civil service with political lackeys.

Why do you keep dropping illegal and undocumented when saying immigrants? Simple fact check says that's his policy not ones who are legally allowed there

I had to wait an extra year to get my green card renewed after it expired, even though I sent in my renewal application nine months ahead of its expiry date rather than the recommended six months. The USCIS gave me an extension and let me keep on using the expired one. Many other people were in the same boat.

This is because Trump fired the people processing green card renewals.

And of course you might remember the people coming into the country legally from business trips and holidays only to be blocked at the airports because of an arbitrary ban on travel for people from Muslim-majority countries.

His administration attacked legal immigrants. LEGAL immigrants. The far right hates legal immigration just as much as illegal immigration. Except of course for that wing-nut Elon Musk and Trump's sex-worker wife.

Gabriel_Hurl

Quote from: seafoid on October 30, 2024, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 30, 2024, 03:19:16 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 30, 2024, 02:36:34 PMWhat's happening in Gaza is essentially a non issue in this election

Illegal immigration and cost of living are the two issues that are driving those on the right

Resistance to Trump and access to abortion is driving those on the left

Its enough of an issue that it could hand Trump the edge he needs to win a state like Michigan. We're only talking about thousands of votes being the difference.

LA Times pulled it's endorsement of Harris because the daughter of its billionaire owner did not like her mainstream US position on Israel and Gaza.

Between people of Arab descent and progressives, she might lose enough of the vote she'd ordinarily get that it could hand it to Trump.

Maybe Bernie's pep talk will help, but it's late in the game.
Bezis who owns thevWashington post stayed on the fence, much to the anger of the journalists.i still think Harris will win. Trump has nothing to offer independent voters.

Bezos doesn't want to lose his government contracts if Trump gets re-elected - it's as simple as that for him - $$$$$$$

whitey

Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2024, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 30, 2024, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 30, 2024, 03:19:16 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 30, 2024, 02:36:34 PMWhat's happening in Gaza is essentially a non issue in this election

Illegal immigration and cost of living are the two issues that are driving those on the right

Resistance to Trump and access to abortion is driving those on the left

Its enough of an issue that it could hand Trump the edge he needs to win a state like Michigan. We're only talking about thousands of votes being the difference.

LA Times pulled it's endorsement of Harris because the daughter of its billionaire owner did not like her mainstream US position on Israel and Gaza.

Between people of Arab descent and progressives, she might lose enough of the vote she'd ordinarily get that it could hand it to Trump.

Maybe Bernie's pep talk will help, but it's late in the game.
Bezis who owns thevWashington post stayed on the fence, much to the anger of the journalists.i still think Harris will win. Trump has nothing to offer independent voters.

Bezos doesn't want to lose his government contracts if Trump gets re-elected - it's as simple as that for him - $$$$$$$

There's been a lot of talk about this on political radio this week-Smerconish and Dan Abrams have excellent Podcasts if you want to follow

At the end of the day, will an endorsement by the WAPO be the deciding factor for a swing voter in a swing state....probably not

A lot of people in the center could care less what the traditional/legacy media have to say

Didn't the WAPO/NY Times win Pulitzer Prizes for their reporting in the dossier which would up being mainly false

https://www.heritage.org/civil-society/commentary/will-new-york-times-washington-post-return-pulitzer-misleading-russia

A lot of well informed people wouldn't give you a hapenny for the opinion of aforementioned publications

johnnycool

Quote from: whitey on October 30, 2024, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2024, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 30, 2024, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 30, 2024, 03:19:16 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 30, 2024, 02:36:34 PMWhat's happening in Gaza is essentially a non issue in this election

Illegal immigration and cost of living are the two issues that are driving those on the right

Resistance to Trump and access to abortion is driving those on the left

Its enough of an issue that it could hand Trump the edge he needs to win a state like Michigan. We're only talking about thousands of votes being the difference.

LA Times pulled it's endorsement of Harris because the daughter of its billionaire owner did not like her mainstream US position on Israel and Gaza.

Between people of Arab descent and progressives, she might lose enough of the vote she'd ordinarily get that it could hand it to Trump.

Maybe Bernie's pep talk will help, but it's late in the game.
Bezis who owns thevWashington post stayed on the fence, much to the anger of the journalists.i still think Harris will win. Trump has nothing to offer independent voters.

Bezos doesn't want to lose his government contracts if Trump gets re-elected - it's as simple as that for him - $$$$$$$

There's been a lot of talk about this on political radio this week-Smerconish and Dan Abrams have excellent Podcasts if you want to follow

At the end of the day, will an endorsement by the WAPO be the deciding factor for a swing voter in a swing state....probably not

A lot of people in the center could care less what the traditional/legacy media have to say

Didn't the WAPO/NY Times win Pulitzer Prizes for their reporting in the dossier which would up being mainly false

https://www.heritage.org/civil-society/commentary/will-new-york-times-washington-post-return-pulitzer-misleading-russia

A lot of well informed people wouldn't give you a hapenny for the opinion of aforementioned publications

This endorsement shít does my head in, who gives a flying f**k who Fox News, or Arnie or Taylor Swift or whoever endorses?

Are people so easily swayed?

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Jell 0 Biafra

Bookies odds skewed by a few massive bets, apparently. NYT has it:

That surge appears to have been pushed almost entirely by a very small number of high-value bets from just four accounts linked to a French national. Those accounts have collectively placed $30 million on a Trump victory this month.

Blowitupref

#25555
Quote from: johnnycool on October 31, 2024, 12:24:03 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 30, 2024, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2024, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 30, 2024, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 30, 2024, 03:19:16 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 30, 2024, 02:36:34 PMWhat's happening in Gaza is essentially a non issue in this election

Illegal immigration and cost of living are the two issues that are driving those on the right

Resistance to Trump and access to abortion is driving those on the left

Its enough of an issue that it could hand Trump the edge he needs to win a state like Michigan. We're only talking about thousands of votes being the difference.

LA Times pulled it's endorsement of Harris because the daughter of its billionaire owner did not like her mainstream US position on Israel and Gaza.

Between people of Arab descent and progressives, she might lose enough of the vote she'd ordinarily get that it could hand it to Trump.

Maybe Bernie's pep talk will help, but it's late in the game.
Bezis who owns thevWashington post stayed on the fence, much to the anger of the journalists.i still think Harris will win. Trump has nothing to offer independent voters.

Bezos doesn't want to lose his government contracts if Trump gets re-elected - it's as simple as that for him - $$$$$$$

There's been a lot of talk about this on political radio this week-Smerconish and Dan Abrams have excellent Podcasts if you want to follow

At the end of the day, will an endorsement by the WAPO be the deciding factor for a swing voter in a swing state....probably not

A lot of people in the center could care less what the traditional/legacy media have to say

Didn't the WAPO/NY Times win Pulitzer Prizes for their reporting in the dossier which would up being mainly false

https://www.heritage.org/civil-society/commentary/will-new-york-times-washington-post-return-pulitzer-misleading-russia

A lot of well informed people wouldn't give you a hapenny for the opinion of aforementioned publications

This endorsement shít does my head in, who gives a flying f**k who Fox News, or Arnie or Taylor Swift or whoever endorses?

Are people so easily swayed?

Puerto Ricans living in America probably are.

QuoteThe more that the "floating garbage" line is repeated—on television, on the radio—the more riled up Puerto Ricans are getting. More Puerto Ricans live on the mainland than on the island now. One result of the botched response to María has been, ironically, the migration of thousands of islanders—many to swing states such as Pennsylvania, where there are now nearly half a million Puerto Rican residents. Tens of thousands of Puerto Ricans currently reside in Georgia and Arizona as well. The Democratic strategist José Parra told The Hill that what happened at Madison Square Garden might make a real difference: "If Pennsylvania swings toward the Democrats, I think you can look back on this as a pivotal moment."
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

seafoid

The polls were wrong in 2016 and 2020. Trump is a fascist

https://www.ft.com/content/ef885f29-96a0-4255-a738-304e452609f1

Trump is the man who would be king Were the former president to return to the White House, it would encourage rightwing populists everywhere MARTIN WOLFAdd to myFT © Martin Wolf 27 October 2024 
What would a second coming of Donald Trump mean for the US and the world? Optimists can point to what happened last time: his presidency, they might assert, was full of sound and fury. But it signified little. He ruled more conventionally than many feared. Moreover, in the end, he was beaten by Joe Biden and departed. He departed with bad grace, it is true. But what else would one expect? He departed, all the same. Why would it not be similar if he won a second term, as polls suggest is likely?
 Trump is an expert in empty promises. In 2016, a centrepiece of his campaign was the "wall" that Mexico would pay for. In the end, there was no wall, let alone any money from Mexico. This time he has promised to round up and deport as many as 11mn undocumented aliens. The operation needed to do this would be immensely costly and controversial. Indeed, how exactly would many millions be deported and to where?
 
More ridiculous is Trump's suggestion that by raising tariffs, he could eliminate the income tax. This is utter nonsense. According to a paper by Kimberly Clausing and Maurice Obstfeld, even the revenue-maximising tariff of 50 per cent all round would deliver less than 40 per cent of the revenue from income tax. The net loss of tax revenue would gut the spending on which his relatively elderly voters depend. Yet a second Trump presidency could still be far worse than the first. In 2016, he was the dog that caught the car. In his ignorance, he ended up hiring people who shared neither his goals nor his interests. Today, the Republican party consists of loyalists who accept that the "great leader" defines truth, as he has done over the results of the 2020 election. The Heritage Foundation's "2025 Project" has also produced plans to tame the federal government, while the Supreme Court has stated that, in his "official . . . functions", the president is above the criminal law. He would feel vindicated and be vengeful.
 
 What might this persuade Trump to do? He could increase already huge US fiscal deficits and pressure the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates low. If he succeeded in appointing devoted loyalists to run the justice department, the intelligence agencies and the Internal Revenue Service, he could proceed to prosecute perceived enemies without restraint.






 

He could justify such actions as a quid pro quo for the many justified prosecutions of himself. He would presumably pardon the insurrectionists of January 6 2021, who attempted to prevent the certification of the results of the last election. With control over the armed forces, he might declare martial law freely. More broadly, he could use the apparatus of the US government to exercise control over parts of the country seen as too independent. Abroad, he could implement his trade war with few restraints, including against Canada and Mexico. As commander-in-chief, he could render Nato commitments meaningless, merely by indicating his disinclination to order troops into battle. 
 He could, once again, pull out of all climate agreements at an even more sensitive moment. He could make it far harder for institutions like the IMF and the World Bank to operate. He could support the hard right throughout Europe. He could (and probably would) abandon Ukraine. In considering the full implications for the world, one has to distinguish the direct effects of such actions from the indirect ones of his comeback. The latter would, above all, be the encouragement to rightwing populists seeking power, particularly in Europe. With the US, the great bastion of democracy in the 20th century, under authoritarian control, there would be a swing in the global balance against liberal democracy, not just in terms of power, but in terms of ideological credibility.
 
The US has, after all, been the model, however imperfect, to much of the world of a law-governed democratic order. Its choice of Trump for a second time would matter greatly. Trump is at the very least "fascistic" and can be credibly called a fascist. In interviews with the New York Times, John Kelly, the former US Marines general who was his longest serving chief of staff, is reported as stating that, "in his opinion, Mr Trump met the definition of a fascist, would govern like a dictator if allowed, and had no understanding of the Constitution or the concept of rule of law". Moreover, Trump "never accepted the fact that he wasn't the most powerful man in the world — and by power, I mean an ability to do anything he wanted, anytime he wanted".
 
For Timothy Snyder, a leading historian of the 1930s and 1940s in Europe, fascism is "a cult of will over reason; it's life inside a Big Lie; it's a transformation of politics into a cult of a leader who tells a Big Lie and who is able to establish himself as the person whose will should dominate society". To this, adds Anne Applebaum, another well-known expert, Trump has described his opponents as "vermin", again a characteristic of fascist (and Stalinist) rhetoric. The recent "blood libels" about Haitians as consumers of pets fit into fascist denigration of some people as subhuman. Mistakes made by the Biden administration help explain Trump's popularity, notably its failure to control immigration. Even so, it is hard to understand the abandonment of core principles of America's great experiment in republican rule. Much of the success of that experiment is owed to the precedents created by its founder, George Washington. As Tom Nichols notes in The Atlantic, Washington served as president for two terms and then went home. Trump is the anti-Washington. Where Washington was renowned for his probity, Trump is known for the opposite. This, then, is truly a fateful hour. martin.wolf@ft.com

AustinPowers

Whatever you  think of the two candidates,  what is it with this   celebrity  endorsement nonsense? Beyoncé, Springsteen,  Madonna. The list goes on..

America is  one f**ked up place.  It's like  a bloody  asylum.

Milltown Row2

Americans have proven for many years, they can't think for themselves

A celebrity will carry more trust than actually working out what's best for them

Hopefully Trump gets in, and really goes bonkers
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

whitey

https://www.boston.com/news/schools/2024/10/31/easthampton-ladies-controversy-vito-perrone-sues-school-district/

If any of you wondering how people can vote for Trump.... Read this

This is a perfect example of what the Democrats are all about