The Many Faces of US Politics...

[whitey]

it could get real ugly real fast and if it kickoff it will make the northern ireland troubles look like a picnic. they're  talking about armed protests in all 50 states.They say there going back to dc but i think they will get scared unless they have massive numbers but they might try something somewhere else.

Astounded by this comment.

You do realise that the poisonous ideology of Trumpism with has killed many, many, many, many more people than died in the Troubles?

620k people died in the US Civil War alone

The Confederacy never went away

Trumpism is the Confederacy

Almost 800 murdered in the city of Chicago in 2020

What ideology is responsible for that?

[sid waddell]

The Washington Post has a new video of the shooting of Ashli Babbit. It shows more of the leadup to it and is about 3 minutes long

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/

There's all sorts of wrong with that.

The cops abandoning their post 30 seconds before the shooting?

Then one of the rioters start shouting "there's a gun" and they keep trying to bust through??

The name of the rioter you are referring to is John Sullivan, do a thorough investigation on him.
Also do likewise with Jacob Anthony Chansley. The events of January 6th, 2021 will come more clearly into focus.

John Sullivan wrote Only Fools And Horses

Which is a good description of people with "views" like "Seamus" - with apologies to horses

[sid waddell]

it could get real ugly real fast and if it kickoff it will make the northern ireland troubles look like a picnic. they're  talking about armed protests in all 50 states.They say there going back to dc but i think they will get scared unless they have massive numbers but they might try something somewhere else.

Astounded by this comment.

You do realise that the poisonous ideology of Trumpism with has killed many, many, many, many more people than died in the Troubles?

620k people died in the US Civil War alone

The Confederacy never went away

Trumpism is the Confederacy

Almost 800 murdered in the city of Chicago in 2020

What ideology is responsible for that?

The Second Amenedment, unfettered capitalism

Both of these things are as sensible as legalising paedophilia

As are your posts

I expect a torrent of race hatred now in response to that, as you have been writing for many years here

[whitey]

IL has among the strictest gun laws in the country

Go back to bed

[sid waddell]

And Indiana has some of the most lax gun laws in the country

And the gun laws everywhere in the country are nuts

Because the second amendment is a ludicrous piece of shit

Three year olds could write more sensible pieces of law

[seafoid]

it could get real ugly real fast and if it kickoff it will make the northern ireland troubles look like a picnic. they're  talking about armed protests in all 50 states.They say there going back to dc but i think they will get scared unless they have massive numbers but they might try something somewhere else.

Astounded by this comment.

You do realise that the poisonous ideology of Trumpism with has killed many, many, many, many more people than died in the Troubles?

620k people died in the US Civil War alone

The Confederacy never went away

Trumpism is the Confederacy

The Confederacy was defeated by superior force and economic power. Maybe payrises might fix QAnon.
Red states are much poorer than blue states.

[whitey]

And Indiana has some of the most lax gun laws in the country

And the gun laws everywhere in the country are nuts

Because the second amendment is a ludicrous piece of shit

Three year olds could write more sensible pieces of law

Town I grew up in Ireland has had more murders than the town I live in (which has thousands of people licensed to own a gun)

[Solo_run]

Everytime I see the scenes from the riots it's just insane. Can't imagine what it is going to be like for Bidens Inauguration

were you off the grid last summer? rioters chased the cops out of one of their buildings in Minneapolis took over the building and then burned it down , been lots of rioting for the last 4 years just the good sort according to the media and some politicians.

I did see them which is another reason why I think the scenes are insane. BLM were much more peaceful than what went down last week. Unfortunately, no matter what protests occur there is always going to be a small element who are physically combative. What happened on Capitol Hill was completely different...people died, people actively encouraging the murder of politicians - they were out for blood, no intentions of being peaceful.

[sid waddell]

it could get real ugly real fast and if it kickoff it will make the northern ireland troubles look like a picnic. they're  talking about armed protests in all 50 states.They say there going back to dc but i think they will get scared unless they have massive numbers but they might try something somewhere else.

Astounded by this comment.

You do realise that the poisonous ideology of Trumpism with has killed many, many, many, many more people than died in the Troubles?

620k people died in the US Civil War alone

The Confederacy never went away

Trumpism is the Confederacy

The Confederacy was defeated by superior force and economic power. Maybe payrises might fix QAnon.
Red states are much poorer than blue states.

The Republican Party is the Confederate Party

The idea of the Confederacy is American Nazism

The Confederacy was never routed like the Nazis

It was allowed survive, both in government and in the general culture

What America has had for the last 156 years is like if the Nazis had been allowed to regroup in Germany post World War II

Calls for "unity" are effectively calls for tolerance of Nazism - but you can't run a country like that

Nobody with power is taking the threat remotely seriously enough

For America to "heal", the American Nazis have to be defeated, routed, driven into the dust, and a stake plunged through the rotten heart of their rotten ideology

And even then, there's always a risk of it returning

[seafoid]

And Indiana has some of the most lax gun laws in the country

And the gun laws everywhere in the country are nuts

Because the second amendment is a ludicrous piece of shit

Three year olds could write more sensible pieces of law

Town I grew up in Ireland has had more murders than the town I live in (which has thousands of people licensed to own a gun)

The plural of anecdote is not data. The US has a settler-colonial history which is reflected in the murder rate.

[sid waddell]

Biden's speech yesterday
"The scenes of chaos at the Capitol do not reflect the true America.
This is not who we are"
"America is about honor, decency, respect, and tolerance.
That's who we are. That's who we've always been."

Eh Joe?  true America?  where the fck has Joe been all his life?  this is true America!  - that was white supremacy on parade.  It's the DNA  of America since the slaughter of native Americans  and the enslavement of Africans from post Civil War/Jim Crow, right through to this day,  exemplified by the red carpet treatment meted out to protestors  invading Congress, urged on by the president and hundreds of elected representatives. The protestors eventually were gently escorted out of the premises, not beaten black and blue, cable cuffed and dragged to a bus to jail.

I read that Trump announces he is going to snub the inauguration, Biden missed his golden opportunity to get his retaliation in first and  tell Trump he wasn't welcome, that his presence would dishonor the event.

What Biden did there is basically what Leo Strauss, the father of neo-conservatism, did

He is perpetuating the myth of American virtue that neo-conservatives believed was essential for a cohesive American nation

Neo-conservatism was ironically founded based on opposition to individualism - but individualism has always been something that the Republican party has preached

But that individualism was only open to those of a higher caste, and certainly only open to whites - society for whites, ghettoisation for minorities

Left-wing politics believes, or should believe, in society being achieved through real individual freedom at a micro level but societal solidarity at a macro level, and the questioning and exposing of historical myths and lies

Conservatism believes the opposite - that historical myths and lies should never be exposed - and that societal solidarity can come from the perpetuation of those myths, these lies - but this is clearly wrong

Grand virtuous myths tie in completely with what I say about right wing politics and the fantasy world it subscribes to

But in America, belief in grand virtuous myths is not something that is exclusive to conservatives - it is widespread, especially among white liberals, and even many minorities who have absorbed this propaganda - like if you watch Rachel Maddow's programme, the perpetuation of American virtue is also a theme

Yet conservatism also preaches against societal solidarity

Conservatism also depends on a mono-cultural, mono-ethnic society, which is exactly what America isn't

Only a mono-cultural, mono-ethnic society can sustain national myths about virtue

There are huge and ludicrous contradictions everywhere in that ideology, it doesn't make sense

Biden is trying to perform a balancing act - he is trying to keep alive the myth of American virtue so order is kept - but in the long run, these myths will have to be faced up to and completely demolished if America is ever to have a real chance of being a cohesive society

Perpetuating the myth of American virtue is political correctness - right wing political correctness - one could say it's right wing political correctness gone mad

I think the essential difference between the way conservatives and liberals portray American virtue is motive

For conservatives, it's a DUP style apartheid ideology of exclusivity - for them, America equals white people in the same way that Ulster equals Protestantism - and they need to justify their own virtue through a flagrant lie

For liberals, especially white liberals, it's naivety, they have a naive, saccharine belief in the idea of American virtue, it's quite similar to how Irish people have a naive believe in the virtue of Irishness based on our own national myth

But liberals are forced into coalition with left-wingers, who correctly want to smash this myth of American virtue - this is a real tension at the heart of the Democratic party

America's problem is it never had a catharsis - it never had a mass facing up by the defeated, ie. the confederates and racists, that they were wrong, that they believed in something that was evil - so the evil continued

They never had to repudiate what they were in the way they should have had to

Germany at least had some form of catharsis after the Nazis and World War II - it had to face up to the fact it had embraced a truly evil ideology and committed almost unspeakable evils, and while this catharsis was not perfect, it was a million miles better than what America had, it brought about a sort of official honesty in that country that does not exist in America, where saccharine sentimentality and delusion about national virtue still reigns

America needs a catharsis to get over Trump and to get over centuries of evil

It does not "need the country to come together" - it needs truth

It needs the 74 million people who are brainwashed to become unbrainwashed

And it needs the criminals who have perpetuated the last four years of shame to be punished

Biden is a lot better than Trump but it's unlikely he will be the man to provide a catharsis, indeed it's unlikely that the Democratic party as it currently exists is the party to do so - because the centrists are afraid of governing boldly, unapologetically and confrontationally for policies and truths that are righteous

This is the heart of it

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/denial-heartbeat-america/617631/

Denial Is the Heartbeat of America
When have Americans been willing to admit who we are?

JANUARY 11, 2021

Ibram X. Kendi
Director of the Boston University Center for Antiracist Research

[five points]

The Republican Party is the Confederate Party

The idea of the Confederacy is American Nazism

The Confederacy was never routed like the Nazis

It was allowed survive, both in government and in the general culture

What America has had for the last 156 years is like if the Nazis had been allowed to regroup in Germany post World War II

Calls for "unity" are effectively calls for tolerance of Nazism - but you can't run a country like that

Nobody with power is taking the threat remotely seriously enough

For America to "heal", the American Nazis have to be defeated, routed, driven into the dust, and a stake plunged through the rotten heart of their rotten ideology

And even then, there's always a risk of it returning

Everything you say here is based on lies.

Lincoln was a Republican.

The Southern Democrats founded and established the Confederacy.

The Confederates were Democrats.

20th century Democrat, Confederate apologist and segregationist Strom Thurmond picked Joe Biden to deliver the eulogy at his funeral, which took place in 2003.

[whitey]

And Indiana has some of the most lax gun laws in the country

And the gun laws everywhere in the country are nuts

Because the second amendment is a ludicrous piece of shit

Three year olds could write more sensible pieces of law

Town I grew up in Ireland has had more murders than the town I live in (which has thousands of people licensed to own a gun)

The plural of anecdote is not data. The US has a settler-colonial history which is reflected in the murder rate.

The homicide rate for my demographic isn't a whole lot different for the homicide rate for my demographic in Ireland

[trailer]

And Indiana has some of the most lax gun laws in the country

And the gun laws everywhere in the country are nuts

Because the second amendment is a ludicrous piece of shit

Three year olds could write more sensible pieces of law

Town I grew up in Ireland has had more murders than the town I live in (which has thousands of people licensed to own a gun)

I don't know how anyone with any empathy, can see children gunned down in a classroom and not see a problem with that countries gun laws.

[sid waddell]

The Republican Party is the Confederate Party

The idea of the Confederacy is American Nazism

The Confederacy was never routed like the Nazis

It was allowed survive, both in government and in the general culture

What America has had for the last 156 years is like if the Nazis had been allowed to regroup in Germany post World War II

Calls for "unity" are effectively calls for tolerance of Nazism - but you can't run a country like that

Nobody with power is taking the threat remotely seriously enough

For America to "heal", the American Nazis have to be defeated, routed, driven into the dust, and a stake plunged through the rotten heart of their rotten ideology

And even then, there's always a risk of it returning

Everything you say here is based on lies.

Lincoln was a Republican.

The Southern Democrats founded and established the Confederacy.

The Confederates were Democrats.

20th century Democrat, Confederate apologist and segregationist Strom Thurmond picked Joe Biden to deliver the eulogy at his funeral, which took place in 2003.

Standard issue pro-Republican response

My post is the truth and you don't like it because you have Confederate sympathies

The Democratic party was indeed the Confederate party - it should have been driven into the dust after the Civil War

As it happened the parties ended up swapping places in the century afterwards - this was a process completed by the Civil Rights Act, when the Democrats lost the white south forever - because the white South was and is iredeemably racist - and became the party of choice for minorities - and the Republicans became once and for all the Confederate party

Today the Republican party is the Confederate party, it is the American Nazi Party, it is the white supremacist party

This is basic history and it's quite astonishing you didn't know it