The Many Faces of US Politics...

[brokencrossbar1]

The GOP seem to be hoping it will fade away from the news as the days go by.

Some of them also talking about "healing", by which they mean the Dems would hinder that by Trump being held to account. See the idiotic Michael Goodwin in the NY Post.

Dems need to hold their resolve and impeach tomorrow. Should have been done this weekend.

If McConnell won't bring the Senate back, then finish to the job under Schumer after the 20th.

Can he be impeached after he leaves office?

I thought the point of impeachment was to remove someone from office

He can. To prevent him from running again. Pour encourager les autres
And this is why GA was a GOP catastrophe

There's precedent for people having been impeached after leaving office, but at cabinet level. Impacts on ability to run again, pension rights, security rights and a few other things. It could become a distraction for Biden in first 100 days but some may feel it is necessary to make the point

Trump is the glue binding Qanon and the conspiracists  to the GOP.
He is very dangerious from the POV of US Democracy .
They might decide to remove him

They can't remove him through the the 25th Amendment situation. Time would be too tight.  There is a 21 day cooling off period and needs half the cabinet. It won't happen.

[J70]

The GOP seem to be hoping it will fade away from the news as the days go by.

Some of them also talking about "healing", by which they mean the Dems would hinder that by Trump being held to account. See the idiotic Michael Goodwin in the NY Post.

Dems need to hold their resolve and impeach tomorrow. Should have been done this weekend.

If McConnell won't bring the Senate back, then finish to the job under Schumer after the 20th.

Can he be impeached after he leaves office?

I thought the point of impeachment was to remove someone from office

Going by what I've read over the past few days, apparently he can.

[J70]

Shouldn't take the Senate too long to rule once he is impeached by the House.  Democratic control of the Senate means McConnell can't block an issue from coming on to the floor.  And there'll either be the 17 Republicans voting to convict, or there won't.  Can't see much time being used up to persuade anyone with their mind already made up.

Unless McConnell changes it, Senate are on a break until the 19th.

[Eamonnca1]

I wonder if the senate can change its rules to strip the majority leader of the power to block bills from going to the floor. That's too much power for one person who probably doesn't even represent the majority of voters.

[Denn Forever]

Hitting Trump where it hurts.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pga-pulls-major-2022-tournament-trump-s-bedminster-days-after-n1253371

[johnnycool]

What sort of banana republic allows an outgoing President to pardon people?

surely that's a load of balls irrespective of the president!

[sid waddell]

What sort of banana republic allows an outgoing President to pardon people?

surely that's a load of balls irrespective of the president!

I bet he'll pardon the fascist goons who invaded the Capitol

[johnnycool]

What sort of banana republic allows an outgoing President to pardon people?

surely that's a load of balls irrespective of the president!

I bet he'll pardon the fascist goons who invaded the Capitol

If someone opens a door for you, is it a crime if you walk in?

[sid waddell]

What sort of banana republic allows an outgoing President to pardon people?

surely that's a load of balls irrespective of the president!

I bet he'll pardon the fascist goons who invaded the Capitol

If someone opens a door for you, is it a crime if you walk in?

It really does depend what is behind the door

In this case, it very much is a crime

These f**kers would have lynched AOC and Pelosi

And Trump planned it all

[brokencrossbar1]

What sort of banana republic allows an outgoing President to pardon people?

surely that's a load of balls irrespective of the president!

I bet he'll pardon the fascist goons who invaded the Capitol

Thankfully any of them are unlikely to be convicted prior to him leaving office.

[HiMucker]

What sort of banana republic allows an outgoing President to pardon people?

surely that's a load of balls irrespective of the president!

I bet he'll pardon the fascist goons who invaded the Capitol

Thankfully any of them are unlikely to be convicted prior to him leaving office.

Can pardons not be issued for future crimes? Is that not what happened with Nixon? Is that not what Trump plans to do for himself?

[brokencrossbar1]

What sort of banana republic allows an outgoing President to pardon people?

surely that's a load of balls irrespective of the president!

I bet he'll pardon the fascist goons who invaded the Capitol

Thankfully any of them are unlikely to be convicted prior to him leaving office.

Can pardons not be issued for future crimes? Is that not what happened with Nixon? Is that not what Trump plans to do for himself?

I don't know about pardons for future crimes, that's a bit dystopian. Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon. The irony of a pardon is that the notion of a pardon is that it's an acceptance of guilt. You can only be pardoned if you have been found guilty of something. It is not an exoneration. If Trump 'future proofs' himself with a pardon then effectively he admits that he has committed a crime. I don't see him doing that

[HiMucker]

What sort of banana republic allows an outgoing President to pardon people?

surely that's a load of balls irrespective of the president!

I bet he'll pardon the fascist goons who invaded the Capitol

Thankfully any of them are unlikely to be convicted prior to him leaving office.

Can pardons not be issued for future crimes? Is that not what happened with Nixon? Is that not what Trump plans to do for himself?

I don't know about pardons for future crimes, that's a bit dystopian. Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon. The irony of a pardon is that the notion of a pardon is that it's an acceptance of guilt. You can only be pardoned if you have been found guilty of something. It is not an exoneration. If Trump 'future proofs' himself with a pardon then effectively he admits that he has committed a crime. I don't see him doing that

Sorry what I meant with future crime, was actually charges brought about in the future to past crimes. Of course it would be Trump admitting guilt, but I honestly don't think he'd care if he thinks it benefits him. I woudnt be surprised in the slightest if he does it. Though Id imagine there would be repercussions

[Main Street]

What sort of banana republic allows an outgoing President to pardon people?

surely that's a load of balls irrespective of the president!

I bet he'll pardon the fascist goons who invaded the Capitol

Thankfully any of them are unlikely to be convicted prior to him leaving office.

Can pardons not be issued for future crimes? Is that not what happened with Nixon? Is that not what Trump plans to do for himself?

I don't know about pardons for future crimes, that's a bit dystopian. Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon. The irony of a pardon is that the notion of a pardon is that it's an acceptance of guilt. You can only be pardoned if you have been found guilty of something. It is not an exoneration. If Trump 'future proofs' himself with a pardon then effectively he admits that he has committed a crime. I don't see him doing that

Sorry what I meant with future crime, was actually charges brought about in the future to past crimes. Of course it would be Trump admitting guilt, but I honestly don't think he'd care if he thinks it benefits him. I woudnt be surprised in the slightest if he does it. Though Id imagine there would be repercussions

The example is with the preemptive pardon issued to Tricky Dicky, for any crimes he might have committed while president. Nixon did not admit guilt, apparantly he didn't have to, but the guilt was imposed upon him by the act of pardon being granted, therefore Nixon confessed guilt by accepting the pardon, while denying guilt by his mouth for decades afterwards.

[Main Street]

Could it be called the Immaculate Pardon?