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« Reply #17160 on: July 01, 2020, 04:09:25 AM »
Eamonn, I see that the graph is from Johns Hopkins, but where did you find it in the first place? All the best from Florida, realm of DeInsanity, he who is slow to close and quick to open, like a willing date with syphilis.

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« Reply #17161 on: July 01, 2020, 04:35:12 AM »
Eamonn, I see that the graph is from Johns Hopkins, but where did you find it in the first place? All the best from Florida, realm of DeInsanity, he who is slow to close and quick to open, like a willing date with syphilis.
3500 deaths with a huge elderly population you are safer there than alot of other places, you got any pet  name for cuomo ? Granny killer ?

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« Reply #17162 on: July 01, 2020, 05:40:57 AM »
Wasn’t expecting you to jump in, Gmac.  All I have is DeSantis’s smug boast: “Part of the reason is that because you got a lot of people in your profession who waxed poetically for weeks and weeks about how Florida was going to be just like New York, wait two weeks and Florida’s going to be next just like Italy, wait two weeks. Well hell, we’re eight weeks away from that and it hasn’t happened,”
Well, it has happened. Just about 10,000 new cases a day, and soaring. My son lives in New York, and I’m glad he does because the “granny killer” has managed to bend the curve sharply downward. I, an over 65 yr old with a serious chronic progressive disease, do not feel at all comforted by the inept mismanagement of the Trump-puppet we have as governor.

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« Reply #17163 on: July 01, 2020, 10:51:46 AM »
Show us your evidence, Gmac. The National Enquirer and Fox News don’t count.
hundreds of thousands of people protesting and it doesn’t cause a spike ?, Austin , Los Angeles spikes started around June 15th, the media are all in on Biden the blm movement and anything anti trump so I really don’t believe what they say but you can look it up yourself .

We should be seeing these spikes already or soon then in most cities and states where protests took place then, no?

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« Reply #17164 on: July 01, 2020, 11:22:02 AM »
So Trump may win because of Chicago and an isolated spike in violence in parts of NYC?

Are you not confirming Main Street’s point whitey?

Also are the Democrats not the party of gun control? Surely it's the President/Republican Party's fault that these guns are still out there killing people?

ILLEGAL guns are killing people

Gun control is off the docket for the 2020 election thanks to the Democrats

The GOP are bought and paid for by the NRA, gun control has been off the table for years, but its all the Dems fault, as usual with you! ;D

Letting mobs run unchecked through middle class neighborhoods is not a winning strategy IMHO

Private individuals having to use legally held firearms to protect themselves and their properties from mobs of looters and hooligans and crickets from the Democrats

Is this another Boston-area single event anecdote?

Believe what you want

What did you think of the mob pelting the NYPD with bottles over the weekend when they were responding to a shooting?

Its not a matter of believing what I want.

You're the one, as usual, making the bold claims and then complaining when questioned on it.

As for the Harlem incident, I think it was disturbing. I would imagine most people find it disturbing, whether they're reactionary right wingers demanding absolute respect for all police, no matter what, or black residents fed up with the conduct, tactics and strategies of the police in their neighbourhoods.

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« Reply #17165 on: July 01, 2020, 11:55:16 AM »
Another Q-anon enthusiast makes it through to represent the GOP in the general election, this time in Colorado.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/923019/5term-gop-congressman-endorsed-by-trump-unseated-by-farright-challenger-qanon-sympathies

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« Reply #17166 on: July 01, 2020, 12:19:51 PM »
So Trump may win because of Chicago and an isolated spike in violence in parts of NYC?

Are you not confirming Main Street’s point whitey?

Also are the Democrats not the party of gun control? Surely it's the President/Republican Party's fault that these guns are still out there killing people?

ILLEGAL guns are killing people

Gun control is off the docket for the 2020 election thanks to the Democrats

The GOP are bought and paid for by the NRA, gun control has been off the table for years, but its all the Dems fault, as usual with you! ;D

Letting mobs run unchecked through middle class neighborhoods is not a winning strategy IMHO

Private individuals having to use legally held firearms to protect themselves and their properties from mobs of looters and hooligans and crickets from the Democrats

Is this another Boston-area single event anecdote?

Believe what you want

What did you think of the mob pelting the NYPD with bottles over the weekend when they were responding to a shooting?

Its not a matter of believing what I want.

You're the one, as usual, making the bold claims and then complaining when questioned on it.

As for the Harlem incident, I think it was disturbing. I would imagine most people find it disturbing, whether they're reactionary right wingers demanding absolute respect for all police, no matter what, or black residents fed up with the conduct, tactics and strategies of the police in their neighbourhoods.

A serious breakdown in law and order is developing

A felon with a gun in Boston-cops surrounded by a mob while trying to arrest him

Shooting in NYC-cops pelted with bottles while trying to respond

And now this one from Connecticut-

https://www.fox61.com/mobile/article/news/local/wethersfield-police-release-video-details-to-put-social-media-of-arrest-in-context/520-16aaa331-0556-4c9d-a54f-ea116c092b38?fbclid=IwAR2M6KKUhN95VrlEt7srBBaXj7gZKtFaKYepmFNs1irdaRtC59fUj653698


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« Reply #17167 on: July 01, 2020, 12:48:27 PM »
So Trump may win because of Chicago and an isolated spike in violence in parts of NYC?

Are you not confirming Main Street’s point whitey?

Also are the Democrats not the party of gun control? Surely it's the President/Republican Party's fault that these guns are still out there killing people?

ILLEGAL guns are killing people

Gun control is off the docket for the 2020 election thanks to the Democrats

The GOP are bought and paid for by the NRA, gun control has been off the table for years, but its all the Dems fault, as usual with you! ;D

Letting mobs run unchecked through middle class neighborhoods is not a winning strategy IMHO

Private individuals having to use legally held firearms to protect themselves and their properties from mobs of looters and hooligans and crickets from the Democrats

Is this another Boston-area single event anecdote?

Believe what you want

What did you think of the mob pelting the NYPD with bottles over the weekend when they were responding to a shooting?

Its not a matter of believing what I want.

You're the one, as usual, making the bold claims and then complaining when questioned on it.

As for the Harlem incident, I think it was disturbing. I would imagine most people find it disturbing, whether they're reactionary right wingers demanding absolute respect for all police, no matter what, or black residents fed up with the conduct, tactics and strategies of the police in their neighbourhoods.

A serious breakdown in law and order is developing

A felon with a gun in Boston-cops surrounded by a mob while trying to arrest him

Shooting in NYC-cops pelted with bottles while trying to respond

And now this one from Connecticut-

https://www.fox61.com/mobile/article/news/local/wethersfield-police-release-video-details-to-put-social-media-of-arrest-in-context/520-16aaa331-0556-4c9d-a54f-ea116c092b38?fbclid=IwAR2M6KKUhN95VrlEt7srBBaXj7gZKtFaKYepmFNs1irdaRtC59fUj653698

Depends how you define "serious breakdown in law and order".

The authorities and community leaders have to get together to sort this stuff out, but its not going to be solved overnight.

At least the cops in CT got that guy.

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« Reply #17168 on: July 01, 2020, 01:45:49 PM »
J70-if you were a cop in a high crime area, why would you put yourself in danger at this point trying to apprehend anyone?

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« Reply #17169 on: July 01, 2020, 01:49:06 PM »
J70-if you were a cop in a high crime area, why would you put yourself in danger at this point trying to apprehend anyone?

Are they not continuing to do their job every day and night all across the big cities?

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« Reply #17170 on: July 01, 2020, 03:59:34 PM »
J70-if you were a cop in a high crime area, why would you put yourself in danger at this point trying to apprehend anyone?

Are they not continuing to do their job every day and night all across the big cities?

Of course they’re “doing their jobs“, but are they now backing away from situations where previously they would have attempted an arrest

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« Reply #17171 on: July 01, 2020, 04:05:53 PM »
This heartbreaking story just gets worse. Not content with murdering the gentlest soul you could ever meet, they have the gall to gloat about it. How is this any different from the Gestapo?

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Colorado Police Officers Under Investigation For Photos At Elijah McClain Memorial
June 30, 202012:09 PM ET

The police department in Aurora, Colo., is investigating several officers who posed for photographs near the site where Elijah McClain was forcibly arrested as he walked home from a convenience store last summer. The site became a memorial to the 23-year-old who died in police custody. He was not suspected of committing any crime.

Interim Chief of Police Vanessa Wilson announced the investigation late Monday night, saying that when she learned about the photos on Thursday, she "immediately ordered Internal Affairs to make this investigation their top priority."

The photos came to light after an Aurora police officer reported them to the department's internal affairs unit. Summarizing that initial report, Wilson said that "multiple Aurora Police officers were depicted in photographs near the site where Elijah McClain died."

Wilson did not provide further details about the officers or the photographs. Reporter Brian Maass of local TV station CBS 4 described the images as showing officers reenacting the carotid restraint hold that was used on McClain.


The police chief released her statement confirming the internal investigation about an hour after Maass tweeted about the photos.

McClain was confronted by police on Aug. 24, after a man who was driving down the same street called 911 and reported a man who looked "sketchy."

At the time, "McClain was walking home from a local convenience store carrying a bottle of iced tea," as NPR's Vanessa Romo has reported. "He was wearing a ski mask and listening to music on the kind of headphones that fit snugly inside the ear."

McClain's family has said he sometimes wore a face mask because he felt cold due to anemia. Police body-cam footage from the encounter shows McClain pleading with the officers, "I was just going home. I don't have a gun. I don't do that stuff. I don't even kill flies. I don't even eat meat."

He is pinned down for several minutes in a carotid hold.

A medic with the Aurora Fire Rescue later injected McClain with ketamine to calm him. McClain was put into an ambulance and suffered cardiac arrest en route to the hospital. He was taken off life support on Aug. 30.

Last week, Colorado Gov. Jared Polis took the rare step of ordering a new investigation into McClain's death, telling Attorney General Phil Weiser to prosecute the case if the facts warrant criminal charges.

The governor acted after millions of people signed a petition calling for an independent look into McClain's death.

"They murdered him. They are bullies with badges," McClain's mother, Sheneen McClain, said of the Aurora police in an interview with CBS News.

In February, the Aurora Police Department cleared the three officers involved in the fatal encounter — Nathan Woodyard, Jason Rosenblatt and Randy Roedema.

Adams County District Attorney Dave Young also declined to file criminal charges, saying that while he might agree with those who say McClain's death was avoidable, he did not believe the evidence and circumstances would support a criminal case.

McClain's death has come under renewed scrutiny in recent weeks, as mass protests have focused public outrage over police killings of Blacks and other minorities.

Chief Wilson said that when the internal investigation into the photos began, the officers involved were switched into "non-enforcement capacities." They are currently on administrative leave with pay.

The internal affairs unit finished its investigation Monday night, Wilson said. She pledged that her department would release all materials related to the inquiry.

"This will include reports, photographic evidence obtained, officer's names, and my final determination which can rise to the level of termination," Wilson said.

The pattern is so predictable it's not even funny.

  • A black man acts slightly different from the norm.
  • A white person gets freaked out and calls the cops.
  • Cops show up and get rough with their victim, who has not done anything illegal, and who has underlying medical conditions.
  • The victim dies.
  • Police investigate themselves and clear their buddies of any wrongdoing.
  • Prosecutors, who have a cozy relationship with police, decline to prosecute despite  glaring evidence that would have seen a private citizen locked up without bail if they had done the same thing.

In cases like George Floyd, conservatives dig into the victim's past to find wrongdoing, implying that the extra-judicial killing was justified. How can they do this in the case of Elijah McClain? He was on the autistic spectrum. He wore a mask to stay warm because of his anemia. He was listening to music and dancing as he walked, which, the last time I checked, was not illegal.

He was not a thug. He was not a criminal. He was an innocent. He would go to the local animal shelter and play the violin to sooth lonely homeless kittens.

His last words were:




Let's see your ifs, buts, "there must be more to the story" claims, and justification for this, evil Nazis.

So a guy wearing a balaclava (in August)  fails to compl with a lawful order,, resists  arrest and attempts to take an officers gun (twice I believe), but the cops are at fault....eh......okay


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« Reply #17172 on: July 01, 2020, 04:33:27 PM »
J70-if you were a cop in a high crime area, why would you put yourself in danger at this point trying to apprehend anyone?

Are they not continuing to do their job every day and night all across the big cities?

Of course they’re “doing their jobs“, but are they now backing away from situations where previously they would have attempted an arrest
unfortunately a lot  cops just want to survive long enough to get their pension and are using a hands off approach to policing, staying away from potential trouble as much as they can .

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« Reply #17173 on: July 01, 2020, 04:39:23 PM »
J70-if you were a cop in a high crime area, why would you put yourself in danger at this point trying to apprehend anyone?

Are they not continuing to do their job every day and night all across the big cities?

Of course they’re “doing their jobs“, but are they now backing away from situations where previously they would have attempted an arrest
unfortunately a lot  cops just want to survive long enough to get their pension and are using a hands off approach to policing, staying away from potential trouble as much as they can .

I’m going away for a few of days over the Fourth. with 2 other families. One of the guys is a detective....should be interesting to hear his take

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« Reply #17174 on: July 01, 2020, 04:43:16 PM »
J70-if you were a cop in a high crime area, why would you put yourself in danger at this point trying to apprehend anyone?

Are they not continuing to do their job every day and night all across the big cities?

Of course they’re “doing their jobs“, but are they now backing away from situations where previously they would have attempted an arrest

I don't know. Are they?