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« Reply #16381 on: June 01, 2020, 03:47:46 PM »
America is right on the edge. I mean a real breakdown of society is quite possible.

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« Reply #16382 on: June 01, 2020, 04:01:22 PM »
As I said yesterday the NRA must be very happy at how this is playing out

https://mobile.twitter.com/ArtValley818/status/1267459971161022466

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« Reply #16383 on: June 01, 2020, 04:08:47 PM »
As I said yesterday the NRA must be very happy at how this is playing out

https://mobile.twitter.com/ArtValley818/status/1267459971161022466

Until one of these vigilantes shoot someone dead, depending on the state.

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« Reply #16384 on: June 01, 2020, 04:14:15 PM »
As I said yesterday the NRA must be very happy at how this is playing out

https://mobile.twitter.com/ArtValley818/status/1267459971161022466

Until one of these vigilantes shoot someone dead, depending on the state.

Very true, but why let that get in the way of raising wads if cash

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« Reply #16385 on: June 01, 2020, 04:18:06 PM »
America is right on the edge. I mean a real breakdown of society is quite possible.

Don't know about others, but I see serious parallels between this and 1969 here. 
Nothing united about the United States. 

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« Reply #16386 on: June 01, 2020, 04:18:36 PM »
Very true, but why let that get in the way of raising wads if cash

Someone using an automatic rifle to mow down a dozen police wouldn't look so good.
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« Reply #16387 on: June 01, 2020, 04:19:28 PM »
America is right on the edge. I mean a real breakdown of society is quite possible.

Don't know about others, but I see serious parallels between this and 1969 here. 
Nothing united about the United States.

You've also got an ongoing pandemic and a president who it seems would sacrifice a million citizens if it meant he got reelected.
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« Reply #16388 on: June 01, 2020, 05:17:46 PM »
America is right on the edge. I mean a real breakdown of society is quite possible.

Don't know about others, but I see serious parallels between this and 1969 here. 
Nothing united about the United States.

You've also got an ongoing pandemic and a president who it seems would sacrifice a million citizens if it meant he got reelected.
how would sacrificing a million people help him get re-elected? Would it not do the opposite.

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« Reply #16389 on: June 01, 2020, 05:19:26 PM »
from what Iím seeing it doesnít matter itís just a looting and burning exercise now . George who ?

Translation: "pipe down, black people, and know your place".

The reason there are protests is that American police are behaving like a rabid white supremacist mob.

And the US president is an out of control racist and fascist.

If you're a Catholic from the North of Ireland, you should understand all this stuff.

If you don't understand it, you're flicking a two fingers sign at Irish history and its lessons.
just like the footage of George Floydís death the camera doesnít lie whatís on the footage is whatís happening.
The camera doesn't lie. We have video after video after video of police behaving in a brutal manner towards protesters.

And that's what matters.

The anger at police and the ruling fascist regime of Trump is entirely justified, and then some.

This is the issue.

The behaviour of the police in the US is reminiscent of the Black And Tans in this country.

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« Reply #16390 on: June 01, 2020, 05:22:44 PM »
America is right on the edge. I mean a real breakdown of society is quite possible.

Don't know about others, but I see serious parallels between this and 1969 here. 
Nothing united about the United States.

You've also got an ongoing pandemic and a president who it seems would sacrifice a million citizens if it meant he got reelected.
how would sacrificing a million people help him get re-elected? Would it not do the opposite.

He exaggerates obviously.

But, this is the man who thought it was good policy to take babies and young children and drag them away from their screaming mothers at the border. Trump is completely absent of morals, empathy and general humanity.

In fairness to him and his political instincts, I'm sure the child separation played well with a certain section of his base.

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« Reply #16391 on: June 01, 2020, 05:23:36 PM »
Okay, sorry for the mishap with the last one, I've fixed it below, and the latest odds are at the bottom:

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Delegate count:
Buttigieg 22
Sanders 21
Warren 8
Klobuchar 7
Biden 6
Bloomberg 0

Betting odds for 2020 winner:

Trump 8/13
Sanders 4/1
Bloomberg 9/1
Biden 20/1

Bloomberg took a hiding last night. He was like a duck out of water. Warren obliterated him. Will be interesting to see how that affects the polling numbers over the next few days, and if his high burn rate can take the bad look off it. I just wish he'd get out of the race and put his money into something useful like flipping the 4 senate seats we're going to need.
Odds update:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 7/2 (3.5/1)
Bloomberg: 8/1
Biden: 22/1

Bernie's odds moving in the right direction. Biden, not so much.

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:8/1
Biden: 9/1

Update:
Delegate count:
Sanders 31
Buttigieg 22
Warren 8
Biden 8
Klobuchar 7
Bloomberg 0

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 25/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 5/6
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:11/1
Biden: 11/1

Interesting that Chrome still thinks "Buttigieg" is a typo.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 29/10 (2.9/1)
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 28/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 4/5
Bloomberg: 4/1
Biden: 10/1
Buttigieg:12/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 12/1
Biden: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 4/1
Bloomberg: 11/2
Buttigieg:20/1

Bloomberg and Buttigeig getting it tight.

Bernie's odds are slipping slightly in the general election, but he's still the favourite to get the nomination.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 10/3 (3.3/1)
Biden: 9/1
Bloomberg: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 13/4
Bloomberg: 6/1
Buttigieg:20/1

This stock market crash might throw a spanner in the works. It was this kind of October surprise that worked in Obama's favor in 2008 when "the fundamentals of our economy [were] strong" until they weren't. Trump might cruise to reelection if the economy stays strong, but the coronavirus could change all that.

Get in there Bernie!

Delegate count:
Sanders: 58
Biden: 50
Buttigeig: 26 (I wonder what happens to delegates after a candidate pulls out)
Warren: 8
Klobuchar: 7

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/6
Sanders: 3/1
Biden: 13/2 (6.5/1)
Bloomberg: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Biden: 5/2
Bloomberg: 7/1
Hillary Clinton(!): 33/1

This is the first we've seen Trump's odds moving in a while. Could be the coronavirus effect. Damned if I know why they're showing odds for Hillary instead of the likes of Warren or Klobuchar who are actually in the race.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8 (1.6/1)
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11
Biden: 6/4
Sanders: 18/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/8
Sanders: 9/1

Trump getting it tight. Looking good for Biden if these odds keep moving the way they are. If he puts Warren on his ticket as VP, that should pick up enough Bernie supporters in November. This could be the light at the end of the tunnel.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8 (1.6/1)
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1
Delegate count:
Biden 857
Sanders 709

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11 (1/1.1)
Biden: 13/10 (1.3/1)
Sanders: No longer in the top 4

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/14
Sanders: 40/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 1/1
Biden: 15/13
Sanders: 50/1
Deval Patrick: 50/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/16
Sanders: 33/1

The trend is unmistakable.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10
Biden: 11/10
Sanders: 33/1
Deval Patrick: 33/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/12
Sanders: 25/1

Game over for Trump, it seems. Although it's a long way to November, but I'm not sure how he can come back from this. He can't lie or spin his way out of this. Not even Fox News can help him when the dead start piling up.

From what I saw of the debate it looked like Bernie was knocking it out of the park while Joe was wandering off into the weeds.  Still, Bernie seems to be getting it tight now.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10
Biden: 11/10
Mike Pence: 33/1
Sanders: 40/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/12
Sanders: 40/1

Funny old game.

2020 winner:
Trump: 1/1
Biden: 11/10

WTF is the matter with people?

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11
Biden: 5/4

Seems like Trump's lash-out-at-the-media-and-shoot-the-messenger strategy is paying off.

But if Biden does get in somehow, I could see him serving one term and then someone like Newsom having a go.

I wouldn't write Biden off yet. It's a long way to November and a lot of dead bodies are going to be piled up between now and then thanks to Donald. A lot will depend on how successful he is in shifting blame away from himself. He'll take credit for anything that goes right and deflect blame for anything that goes wrong, which will play well with the religious crowd who are used to doing that sort of thing with God. I don't know if it'll be enough with swing voters though.
Well well well. Trump starting to get it tight again. Maybe his supporters are dropping dead with the virus.

2020 winner:
Trump 1/1
Biden 5/4

Wheisht! Trump getting it tight now.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10 (1.1/1)
Biden: 15/13 (1.15/1)

Well well well. Now it's even. Trump's odds of reelection are in freefall. As the covid death toll mounts and the riots spread, I expect to see him get even more desperate. Expect more scapegoating of China, Mexico, immigrants, and people of colour in the next few months. That includes you, Whitey. I assume you're an immigrant. Don't for one minute think he has your back.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10
Biden 11/10

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« Reply #16392 on: June 01, 2020, 06:16:07 PM »
You've also got an ongoing pandemic and a president who it seems would sacrifice a million citizens if it meant he got reelected.
how would sacrificing a million people help him get re-elected? Would it not do the opposite.

How many have needlessly died due to COVID because The Donald sought to chase the short-term economy for his reelection?

How many will die over the coming months as he continues to chase the short-term economy?

Now, add these riots and his ego's need to appear as the strongman.

I suppose I should amend my original statement to:

... and a president who it seems would sacrifice a million citizens if he thought it meant he got reelected.
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« Reply #16393 on: June 01, 2020, 06:19:57 PM »
from what Iím seeing it doesnít matter itís just a looting and burning exercise now . George who ?

Translation: "pipe down, black people, and know your place".

The reason there are protests is that American police are behaving like a rabid white supremacist mob.

And the US president is an out of control racist and fascist.

If you're a Catholic from the North of Ireland, you should understand all this stuff.

If you don't understand it, you're flicking a two fingers sign at Irish history and its lessons.
just like the footage of George Floydís death the camera doesnít lie whatís on the footage is whatís happening.
The camera doesn't lie. We have video after video after video of police behaving in a brutal manner towards protesters.

And that's what matters.

The anger at police and the ruling fascist regime of Trump is entirely justified, and then some.

This is the issue.

The behaviour of the police in the US is reminiscent of the Black And Tans in this country.
what about videos of innocent people trying to protect their businesses and getting beat to an inch of their life or the homeless guy getting his stuff burnt and the crowd cheering you see any of those videos? I see both .

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« Reply #16394 on: June 01, 2020, 06:50:22 PM »
what about videos of innocent people trying to protect their businesses and getting beat to an inch of their life or the homeless guy getting his stuff burnt and the crowd cheering you see any of those videos? I see both .

What about them?

Are they relevant to police brutality?

Are you saying the police are brutal only to the perpetrators of such action?
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