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« Reply #15870 on: April 30, 2020, 06:11:05 AM »
Yes-but what relevance does that have to this case?

They either acted improperly or they didnít-Iím not an attorney so I donít know


What I do know is that documents were withheld and that is a serious violation of the defendants rights!


If this was above board, then why were these documents withheld ?

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« Reply #15871 on: April 30, 2020, 06:39:24 AM »
I am an old man and I do not have the time to debate with someone who evangelized against Obamacare with anecdotes. I think that most rational Americans are now on the side of a healthcare system that would take care of most of us without having absolute authority who our doctor might be. If recollection serves me well you wanted to hang Obama on one statement ďIf you like your own doctor, you can keep your own doctorĒ. He was almost right but not right enough for you. Youíre anecdotal diatribe was all about the lads in wherever your are selling whatever you are selling who had to pay ridiculously more in insurance health insurance premiums because of Obamacare. The reality was that they really had
no health insurance and were paying accordingly. Obamacare brought real insurance to them and they are now quiet.
Trumps crowd are all a bunch of crooks whom you appear to be prepared to cut slack for. I am not and if you have to use RICO to get them to obey the law... so be it.

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« Reply #15872 on: April 30, 2020, 07:08:05 AM »
I am an old man and I do not have the time to debate with someone who evangelized against Obamacare with anecdotes. I think that most rational Americans are now on the side of a healthcare system that would take care of most of us without having absolute authority who our doctor might be. If recollection serves me well you wanted to hang Obama on one statement ďIf you like your own doctor, you can keep your own doctorĒ. He was almost right but not right enough for you. Youíre anecdotal diatribe was all about the lads in wherever your are selling whatever you are selling who had to pay ridiculously more in insurance health insurance premiums because of Obamacare. The reality was that they really had
no health insurance and were paying accordingly. Obamacare brought real insurance to them and they are now quiet.
Trumps crowd are all a bunch of crooks whom you appear to be prepared to cut slack for. I am not and if you have to use RICO to get them to obey the law... so be it.

Believe what you want.....Flynn will walk.

Regarding Obamacare, the architect of the whole scheme, professor Gurber said they had to write the law in such an ďintentionally torturedĒ way, because if people actually knew what was in it theyd never go for it.....his words not mine.  I was just cynical enough at the time not to believe anything they were peddling.

My clients are all self employed and yes, almost every single one of them saw enormous increases in the cost of their health plans

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/12/14/674791999/health-costs-bear-down-on-families-who-dont-qualify-for-aca-subsidies
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« Reply #15873 on: April 30, 2020, 07:52:10 AM »
i am going to bed now on the beautiful west central coast of America. I will try to sleep well and ignore your almost non sequitur response.  I hope you sleep well too. Try to concentrate a little more on the real problem. The total and complete lack of rational government that we have in the US at this critical time. I am all ears on any suggestions you might have to help us through this pandemic. Flynnís fatuous fixations on Turkey, Russia and lining his pocket are completely incidental.

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« Reply #15874 on: April 30, 2020, 12:43:57 PM »
Read a few articles on this from CBS and FoxNews basically the interviewers had a strategy to try to catch Flynn out (which they did) and also didnít want to make a big issue of reminding him about statute 1001 (lying to a federal agent).

Am I missing something? I would have thought these were fairly standard things to do when investigating someone??

Iím open to the rights view of things but so far Iím not really convinced he still lied to Pence and to the Federal investigator didnít he? Oh and plead guilty!

Yes, Iím also having trouble reconciling whiteyís enthusiasm and energy to what is being reported.

I work with an ex-NYPD detective and heís full of stories and strategies he used to use to tease evidence and confessions out of suspects. Earnest honesty and transparency is not one of them.

Proof will be in the pudding I guess. Wouldnít be the first time someone walked on a technicality.

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« Reply #15875 on: April 30, 2020, 05:19:04 PM »
It all goes back to Michael Lewisís book and the clown show that is the Trump administration

Comey admitted to Nicole Wallace that he would never have tried a stunt like this under a previous administration.  And a stunt is what it was.

No crime had been committed up until that point- (believe it or not)

Normal procedure is that the FBI provide the interviewee of a transcript of the call they were there to discuss-they didnít and they intentionally made a decision not to

And then they failed to turn over these documents which Flynn was legally entitled to
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« Reply #15876 on: April 30, 2020, 10:18:38 PM »
Okay, sorry for the mishap with the last one, I've fixed it below, and the latest odds are at the bottom:

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Delegate count:
Buttigieg 22
Sanders 21
Warren 8
Klobuchar 7
Biden 6
Bloomberg 0

Betting odds for 2020 winner:

Trump 8/13
Sanders 4/1
Bloomberg 9/1
Biden 20/1

Bloomberg took a hiding last night. He was like a duck out of water. Warren obliterated him. Will be interesting to see how that affects the polling numbers over the next few days, and if his high burn rate can take the bad look off it. I just wish he'd get out of the race and put his money into something useful like flipping the 4 senate seats we're going to need.
Odds update:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 7/2 (3.5/1)
Bloomberg: 8/1
Biden: 22/1

Bernie's odds moving in the right direction. Biden, not so much.

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:8/1
Biden: 9/1

Update:
Delegate count:
Sanders 31
Buttigieg 22
Warren 8
Biden 8
Klobuchar 7
Bloomberg 0

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 25/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 5/6
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:11/1
Biden: 11/1

Interesting that Chrome still thinks "Buttigieg" is a typo.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 29/10 (2.9/1)
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 28/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 4/5
Bloomberg: 4/1
Biden: 10/1
Buttigieg:12/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 12/1
Biden: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 4/1
Bloomberg: 11/2
Buttigieg:20/1

Bloomberg and Buttigeig getting it tight.

Bernie's odds are slipping slightly in the general election, but he's still the favourite to get the nomination.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 10/3 (3.3/1)
Biden: 9/1
Bloomberg: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 13/4
Bloomberg: 6/1
Buttigieg:20/1

This stock market crash might throw a spanner in the works. It was this kind of October surprise that worked in Obama's favor in 2008 when "the fundamentals of our economy [were] strong" until they weren't. Trump might cruise to reelection if the economy stays strong, but the coronavirus could change all that.

Get in there Bernie!

Delegate count:
Sanders: 58
Biden: 50
Buttigeig: 26 (I wonder what happens to delegates after a candidate pulls out)
Warren: 8
Klobuchar: 7

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/6
Sanders: 3/1
Biden: 13/2 (6.5/1)
Bloomberg: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Biden: 5/2
Bloomberg: 7/1
Hillary Clinton(!): 33/1

This is the first we've seen Trump's odds moving in a while. Could be the coronavirus effect. Damned if I know why they're showing odds for Hillary instead of the likes of Warren or Klobuchar who are actually in the race.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8 (1.6/1)
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11
Biden: 6/4
Sanders: 18/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/8
Sanders: 9/1

Trump getting it tight. Looking good for Biden if these odds keep moving the way they are. If he puts Warren on his ticket as VP, that should pick up enough Bernie supporters in November. This could be the light at the end of the tunnel.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8 (1.6/1)
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1
Delegate count:
Biden 857
Sanders 709

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11 (1/1.1)
Biden: 13/10 (1.3/1)
Sanders: No longer in the top 4

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/14
Sanders: 40/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 1/1
Biden: 15/13
Sanders: 50/1
Deval Patrick: 50/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/16
Sanders: 33/1

The trend is unmistakable.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10
Biden: 11/10
Sanders: 33/1
Deval Patrick: 33/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/12
Sanders: 25/1

Game over for Trump, it seems. Although it's a long way to November, but I'm not sure how he can come back from this. He can't lie or spin his way out of this. Not even Fox News can help him when the dead start piling up.

From what I saw of the debate it looked like Bernie was knocking it out of the park while Joe was wandering off into the weeds.  Still, Bernie seems to be getting it tight now.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10
Biden: 11/10
Mike Pence: 33/1
Sanders: 40/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/12
Sanders: 40/1

Funny old game.

2020 winner:
Trump: 1/1
Biden: 11/10

WTF is the matter with people?

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11
Biden: 5/4

Seems like Trump's lash-out-at-the-media-and-shoot-the-messenger strategy is paying off.

But if Biden does get in somehow, I could see him serving one term and then someone like Newsom having a go.

I wouldn't write Biden off yet. It's a long way to November and a lot of dead bodies are going to be piled up between now and then thanks to Donald. A lot will depend on how successful he is in shifting blame away from himself. He'll take credit for anything that goes right and deflect blame for anything that goes wrong, which will play well with the religious crowd who are used to doing that sort of thing with God. I don't know if it'll be enough with swing voters though.
Well well well. Trump starting to get it tight again. Maybe his supporters are dropping dead with the virus.

2020 winner:
Trump 1/1
Biden 5/4

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« Reply #15877 on: April 30, 2020, 10:32:44 PM »
Okay, sorry for the mishap with the last one, I've fixed it below, and the latest odds are at the bottom:

Quote
Delegate count:
Buttigieg 22
Sanders 21
Warren 8
Klobuchar 7
Biden 6
Bloomberg 0

Betting odds for 2020 winner:

Trump 8/13
Sanders 4/1
Bloomberg 9/1
Biden 20/1

Bloomberg took a hiding last night. He was like a duck out of water. Warren obliterated him. Will be interesting to see how that affects the polling numbers over the next few days, and if his high burn rate can take the bad look off it. I just wish he'd get out of the race and put his money into something useful like flipping the 4 senate seats we're going to need.
Odds update:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 7/2 (3.5/1)
Bloomberg: 8/1
Biden: 22/1

Bernie's odds moving in the right direction. Biden, not so much.

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:8/1
Biden: 9/1

Update:
Delegate count:
Sanders 31
Buttigieg 22
Warren 8
Biden 8
Klobuchar 7
Bloomberg 0

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 25/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 5/6
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:11/1
Biden: 11/1

Interesting that Chrome still thinks "Buttigieg" is a typo.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 29/10 (2.9/1)
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 28/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 4/5
Bloomberg: 4/1
Biden: 10/1
Buttigieg:12/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 12/1
Biden: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 4/1
Bloomberg: 11/2
Buttigieg:20/1

Bloomberg and Buttigeig getting it tight.

Bernie's odds are slipping slightly in the general election, but he's still the favourite to get the nomination.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 10/3 (3.3/1)
Biden: 9/1
Bloomberg: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 13/4
Bloomberg: 6/1
Buttigieg:20/1

This stock market crash might throw a spanner in the works. It was this kind of October surprise that worked in Obama's favor in 2008 when "the fundamentals of our economy [were] strong" until they weren't. Trump might cruise to reelection if the economy stays strong, but the coronavirus could change all that.

Get in there Bernie!

Delegate count:
Sanders: 58
Biden: 50
Buttigeig: 26 (I wonder what happens to delegates after a candidate pulls out)
Warren: 8
Klobuchar: 7

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/6
Sanders: 3/1
Biden: 13/2 (6.5/1)
Bloomberg: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Biden: 5/2
Bloomberg: 7/1
Hillary Clinton(!): 33/1

This is the first we've seen Trump's odds moving in a while. Could be the coronavirus effect. Damned if I know why they're showing odds for Hillary instead of the likes of Warren or Klobuchar who are actually in the race.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8 (1.6/1)
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11
Biden: 6/4
Sanders: 18/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/8
Sanders: 9/1

Trump getting it tight. Looking good for Biden if these odds keep moving the way they are. If he puts Warren on his ticket as VP, that should pick up enough Bernie supporters in November. This could be the light at the end of the tunnel.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8 (1.6/1)
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1
Delegate count:
Biden 857
Sanders 709

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11 (1/1.1)
Biden: 13/10 (1.3/1)
Sanders: No longer in the top 4

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/14
Sanders: 40/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 1/1
Biden: 15/13
Sanders: 50/1
Deval Patrick: 50/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/16
Sanders: 33/1

The trend is unmistakable.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10
Biden: 11/10
Sanders: 33/1
Deval Patrick: 33/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/12
Sanders: 25/1

Game over for Trump, it seems. Although it's a long way to November, but I'm not sure how he can come back from this. He can't lie or spin his way out of this. Not even Fox News can help him when the dead start piling up.

From what I saw of the debate it looked like Bernie was knocking it out of the park while Joe was wandering off into the weeds.  Still, Bernie seems to be getting it tight now.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10
Biden: 11/10
Mike Pence: 33/1
Sanders: 40/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/12
Sanders: 40/1

Funny old game.

2020 winner:
Trump: 1/1
Biden: 11/10

WTF is the matter with people?

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11
Biden: 5/4

Seems like Trump's lash-out-at-the-media-and-shoot-the-messenger strategy is paying off.

But if Biden does get in somehow, I could see him serving one term and then someone like Newsom having a go.

I wouldn't write Biden off yet. It's a long way to November and a lot of dead bodies are going to be piled up between now and then thanks to Donald. A lot will depend on how successful he is in shifting blame away from himself. He'll take credit for anything that goes right and deflect blame for anything that goes wrong, which will play well with the religious crowd who are used to doing that sort of thing with God. I don't know if it'll be enough with swing voters though.
Well well well. Trump starting to get it tight again. Maybe his supporters are dropping dead with the virus.

2020 winner:
Trump 1/1
Biden 5/4

Biden will be well f**ked then if he wont even be voting for himself. At least he should get Trump's vote tho.

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« Reply #15878 on: April 30, 2020, 10:34:12 PM »
Pence thinks Flynn maybe lied unintentionally now . . . you couldn't make this shit up!!

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« Reply #15879 on: May 01, 2020, 10:22:31 AM »
Pence thinks Flynn maybe lied unintentionally now . . . you couldn't make this shit up!!

Now that didn't happen.

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« Reply #15880 on: May 01, 2020, 11:03:05 PM »
Big move by Joe



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« Reply #15881 on: May 01, 2020, 11:30:42 PM »
He has to do it, itís the kind of move you make if youíre not guilty,to do otherwise would only bring more suspicion!

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« Reply #15882 on: May 01, 2020, 11:55:24 PM »
Big move by Joe




He got well grilled by Mika this morning by all accounts

Personally I think itís BS

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« Reply #15883 on: May 02, 2020, 12:01:40 AM »
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.204569/gov.uscourts.dcd.204569.29.7.pdf

Interesting reading. Lots of redactions of course, including what appears to be the identities of people high up in the Israeli government or close to it who appear to have intervened on Trumps behalf to deal with a potential October surprise. Refer to page 5, 12 to 16. This redacted individual even wrangled for a meeting with then candidate Trump. I wonder what Trump had to do in return for such help.

Foreign interference I believe itís called.

Now going by this document alone, the evidence of direct contact between any Russian government officials or agents and Stone, Assange or Corsi, or Trump seems absent, with only conjecture from FBI and US Intelligence that it seems likely to be going on. No surprise the Russia Today would be happy to put Assange on their broadcasts since Hillary had been directly threatening Russia during her time in government and in her election campaigns. This doesnít mean Russia were not doing more to influence the election, but from that document, the evidence suggests interference was coming from somewhere else.
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« Reply #15884 on: May 07, 2020, 07:51:42 PM »
Read a few articles on this from CBS and FoxNews basically the interviewers had a strategy to try to catch Flynn out (which they did) and also didnít want to make a big issue of reminding him about statute 1001 (lying to a federal agent).

Am I missing something? I would have thought these were fairly standard things to do when investigating someone??

Iím open to the rights view of things but so far Iím not really convinced he still lied to Pence and to the Federal investigator didnít he? Oh and plead guilty!

Yes, Iím also having trouble reconciling whiteyís enthusiasm and energy to what is being reported.

I work with an ex-NYPD detective and heís full of stories and strategies he used to use to tease evidence and confessions out of suspects. Earnest honesty and transparency is not one of them.

Proof will be in the pudding I guess. Wouldnít be the first time someone walked on a technicality.


Told you the case would be dropped

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