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« Reply #15735 on: April 17, 2020, 09:59:06 PM »
Okay, sorry for the mishap with the last one, I've fixed it below, and the latest odds are at the bottom:

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Delegate count:
Buttigieg 22
Sanders 21
Warren 8
Klobuchar 7
Biden 6
Bloomberg 0

Betting odds for 2020 winner:

Trump 8/13
Sanders 4/1
Bloomberg 9/1
Biden 20/1

Bloomberg took a hiding last night. He was like a duck out of water. Warren obliterated him. Will be interesting to see how that affects the polling numbers over the next few days, and if his high burn rate can take the bad look off it. I just wish he'd get out of the race and put his money into something useful like flipping the 4 senate seats we're going to need.
Odds update:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 7/2 (3.5/1)
Bloomberg: 8/1
Biden: 22/1

Bernie's odds moving in the right direction. Biden, not so much.

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:8/1
Biden: 9/1

Update:
Delegate count:
Sanders 31
Buttigieg 22
Warren 8
Biden 8
Klobuchar 7
Bloomberg 0

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 25/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 5/6
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:11/1
Biden: 11/1

Interesting that Chrome still thinks "Buttigieg" is a typo.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 29/10 (2.9/1)
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 28/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 4/5
Bloomberg: 4/1
Biden: 10/1
Buttigieg:12/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 12/1
Biden: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 4/1
Bloomberg: 11/2
Buttigieg:20/1

Bloomberg and Buttigeig getting it tight.

Bernie's odds are slipping slightly in the general election, but he's still the favourite to get the nomination.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 10/3 (3.3/1)
Biden: 9/1
Bloomberg: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 13/4
Bloomberg: 6/1
Buttigieg:20/1

This stock market crash might throw a spanner in the works. It was this kind of October surprise that worked in Obama's favor in 2008 when "the fundamentals of our economy [were] strong" until they weren't. Trump might cruise to reelection if the economy stays strong, but the coronavirus could change all that.

Get in there Bernie!

Delegate count:
Sanders: 58
Biden: 50
Buttigeig: 26 (I wonder what happens to delegates after a candidate pulls out)
Warren: 8
Klobuchar: 7

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/6
Sanders: 3/1
Biden: 13/2 (6.5/1)
Bloomberg: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Biden: 5/2
Bloomberg: 7/1
Hillary Clinton(!): 33/1

This is the first we've seen Trump's odds moving in a while. Could be the coronavirus effect. Damned if I know why they're showing odds for Hillary instead of the likes of Warren or Klobuchar who are actually in the race.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8 (1.6/1)
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11
Biden: 6/4
Sanders: 18/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/8
Sanders: 9/1

Trump getting it tight. Looking good for Biden if these odds keep moving the way they are. If he puts Warren on his ticket as VP, that should pick up enough Bernie supporters in November. This could be the light at the end of the tunnel.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8 (1.6/1)
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1
Delegate count:
Biden 857
Sanders 709

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11 (1/1.1)
Biden: 13/10 (1.3/1)
Sanders: No longer in the top 4

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/14
Sanders: 40/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 1/1
Biden: 15/13
Sanders: 50/1
Deval Patrick: 50/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/16
Sanders: 33/1

The trend is unmistakable.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10
Biden: 11/10
Sanders: 33/1
Deval Patrick: 33/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/12
Sanders: 25/1

Game over for Trump, it seems. Although it's a long way to November, but I'm not sure how he can come back from this. He can't lie or spin his way out of this. Not even Fox News can help him when the dead start piling up.

From what I saw of the debate it looked like Bernie was knocking it out of the park while Joe was wandering off into the weeds.  Still, Bernie seems to be getting it tight now.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10
Biden: 11/10
Mike Pence: 33/1
Sanders: 40/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/12
Sanders: 40/1

Funny old game.

2020 winner:
Trump: 1/1
Biden: 11/10

WTF is the matter with people?

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11
Biden: 5/4

Seems like Trump's lash-out-at-the-media-and-shoot-the-messenger strategy is paying off.

But if Biden does get in somehow, I could see him serving one term and then someone like Newsom having a go.

I wouldn't write Biden off yet. It's a long way to November and a lot of dead bodies are going to be piled up between now and then thanks to Donald. A lot will depend on how successful he is in shifting blame away from himself. He'll take credit for anything that goes right and deflect blame for anything that goes wrong, which will play well with the religious crowd who are used to doing that sort of thing with God. I don't know if it'll be enough with swing voters though.
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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #15736 on: April 18, 2020, 01:06:25 AM »
Well I think most reasonable people arenít blaming him for the Corona virus

Realistically, whoever else was in charge, there would probably have been a similar death count anyway

And NYC is (so far anyway) completely skewing our National number, and one can apportion as much blame to DeBlasio and Coumo for that as you can to Trump

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« Reply #15737 on: April 18, 2020, 02:09:21 AM »
Well I think most reasonable people arenít blaming him for the Corona virus

Realistically, whoever else was in charge, there would probably have been a similar death count anyway

And NYC is (so far anyway) completely skewing our National number, and one can apportion as much blame to DeBlasio and Coumo for that as you can to Trump

Thatís probably fair he hasnít handled it great but then very few have...

If thereís a second wave of this thing that hits before November then I canít see any way he gets in.

Saw a clip of Laura Ingraham this evening how vile is she?? Iím surprised Fauci didnít lay into her comparing the Coronavirus to HIV Jesus Christ!!

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« Reply #15738 on: April 18, 2020, 03:17:53 AM »
Well I think most reasonable people arenít blaming him for the Corona virus

Realistically, whoever else was in charge, there would probably have been a similar death count anyway

And NYC is (so far anyway) completely skewing our National number, and one can apportion as much blame to DeBlasio and Coumo for that as you can to Trump

Well he can certainly f**k things up from here on in if today was any guide to how things will proceed.

Has he explained what ďliberateĒ means yet?

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« Reply #15739 on: April 18, 2020, 05:44:12 AM »
Well I think most reasonable people arenít blaming him for the Corona virus

Realistically, whoever else was in charge, there would probably have been a similar death count anyway

And NYC is (so far anyway) completely skewing our National number, and one can apportion as much blame to DeBlasio and Coumo for that as you can to Trump

Really? So if Obama were still in charge, do you think he would have been dismissing it as a hoax a few months into the crisis? Do you think Obama would have not bothered reading his intelligence briefings?

You people amaze me with your Houdini-like abilities to wriggle out of any responsibility for your Trump-supporting actions.

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« Reply #15740 on: April 18, 2020, 07:13:06 AM »
Well I think most reasonable people arenít blaming him for the Corona virus

Realistically, whoever else was in charge, there would probably have been a similar death count anyway

And NYC is (so far anyway) completely skewing our National number, and one can apportion as much blame to DeBlasio and Coumo for that as you can to Trump

Really? So if Obama were still in charge, do you think he would have been dismissing it as a hoax a few months into the crisis? Do you think Obama would have not bothered reading his intelligence briefings?

You people amaze me with your Houdini-like abilities to wriggle out of any responsibility for your Trump-supporting actions.


Well Nancy Pelosi and DiBlasio sure werenít taking it too seriously either and how many died under Joes watch with H1N1?


https://youtu.be/UcvIQJ-QurQ

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/coronavirus-critic-joe-biden-will-need-to-explain-why-he-didnt-replenish-the-medical-supply-reserve-following-swine-flu-pandemic%3f_amp=true

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/25/after-last-pandemic-task-force-advised-obama-to-avert-shortage-of-masks/amp/
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« Reply #15741 on: April 18, 2020, 12:18:13 PM »
Well I think most reasonable people arenít blaming him for the Corona virus

Realistically, whoever else was in charge, there would probably have been a similar death count anyway

And NYC is (so far anyway) completely skewing our National number, and one can apportion as much blame to DeBlasio and Coumo for that as you can to Trump

Really? So if Obama were still in charge, do you think he would have been dismissing it as a hoax a few months into the crisis? Do you think Obama would have not bothered reading his intelligence briefings?

You people amaze me with your Houdini-like abilities to wriggle out of any responsibility for your Trump-supporting actions.


Well Nancy Pelosi and DiBlasio sure werenít taking it too seriously either and how many died under Joes watch with H1N1?


https://youtu.be/UcvIQJ-QurQ

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/coronavirus-critic-joe-biden-will-need-to-explain-why-he-didnt-replenish-the-medical-supply-reserve-following-swine-flu-pandemic%3f_amp=true

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/25/after-last-pandemic-task-force-advised-obama-to-avert-shortage-of-masks/amp/

What did Pelosi do to merit an unfavourable comparison to Trump on this subject?

As for the masks, we'll probably never know what happened after 2009, because any investigation into it will end up a partisan blame game.

I do wonder though what effect the right's apocalyptic backlash and campaign about deficits and government spending had on this at the time? Remember the Tea Party and the outrage over the 2009 stimulus and the debt ceiling and Obamacare?

What's the odds that if Biden wins, that by this time next year, Mitch will suddenly be back to talking sternly about deficits and the debt and how we just can't afford these things and we'll have Tea Party 2.0 for the 2022 midterms?

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« Reply #15742 on: April 18, 2020, 12:42:50 PM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pelosi-encouraged-public-gatherings-in-late-february-weeks-after-trumps-china-travel-ban%3f_amp=true

Look, some on the left want to pin every last death on Trump and that is going to backfire on them

I would agree that a lot of the blame probably lies with those fbckers from the Tea Party.

Instead of sticking on message what are the left ranting about this week-Checks supposedly being delayed by needing Trumps signature......and so far it looks like that attack is just another pile of steaming cow manure (but of course NY Times and WaPo had to run with it)



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« Reply #15743 on: April 18, 2020, 01:03:21 PM »
Given what was known at the time, what was wrong with what Pelosi (or on a similar note in NYC, DeBlasio) said about trying to get people back to their respective Chinatowns?

This was before Italy. They weren't denying that COVID was potentially going to strike the US. Congress people under Pelosi had already been calling for the administration to take it more seriously while Trump was in active denial and calling their concerns a Democratic hoax even later than that.

What exactly do you think the response would have been had Democratic politicians been calling for actual shutdowns at that point? Seriously.

Right now we've got right wingers coming out with assault weapons in various states protesting about the shutdowns, with Fox News, the rest of right wing media and even Trump himself cheering them on. Even in f**king New Jersey, where hundreds are still dying every day. There is no equivalency to be found here.

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« Reply #15744 on: April 18, 2020, 01:10:02 PM »
And I should add, that of course you can't blame Trump for all the deaths. This shit was hitting no matter who was in charge. The responsibility is a lot bigger than him.

As I said the other day, he can still do a good job on this. He made a start down that road on Thursday. Hopefully after yesterday's irresponsible outbursts he'll get back on it.

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« Reply #15745 on: April 18, 2020, 01:14:43 PM »
Given what was known at the time, what was wrong with what Pelosi (or on a similar note in NYC, DeBlasio) said about trying to get people back to their respective Chinatowns?

This was before Italy. They weren't denying that COVID was potentially going to strike the US. Congress people under Pelosi had already been calling for the administration to take it more seriously while Trump was in active denial and calling their concerns a Democratic hoax even later than that.

What exactly do you think the response would have been had Democratic politicians been calling for actual shutdowns at that point? Seriously.

Right now we've got right wingers coming out with assault weapons in various states protesting about the shutdowns, with Fox News, the rest of right wing media and even Trump himself cheering them on. Even in f**king New Jersey, where hundreds are still dying every day. There is no equivalency to be found here.

And what would Democratís have made of it had Trump introduced all these restrictions bang smack in the middle of the impeachment hearings and votes?

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« Reply #15746 on: April 18, 2020, 01:15:55 PM »
Given what was known at the time, what was wrong with what Pelosi (or on a similar note in NYC, DeBlasio) said about trying to get people back to their respective Chinatowns?

This was before Italy. They weren't denying that COVID was potentially going to strike the US. Congress people under Pelosi had already been calling for the administration to take it more seriously while Trump was in active denial and calling their concerns a Democratic hoax even later than that.

What exactly do you think the response would have been had Democratic politicians been calling for actual shutdowns at that point? Seriously.

Right now we've got right wingers coming out with assault weapons in various states protesting about the shutdowns, with Fox News, the rest of right wing media and even Trump himself cheering them on. Even in f**king New Jersey, where hundreds are still dying every day. There is no equivalency to be found here.

And what would Democratís have made of it had Trump introduced all these restrictions bang smack in the middle of the impeachment hearings and votes?

If things were like they were a month ago?

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« Reply #15747 on: April 18, 2020, 02:18:32 PM »
Given what was known at the time, what was wrong with what Pelosi (or on a similar note in NYC, DeBlasio) said about trying to get people back to their respective Chinatowns?

This was before Italy. They weren't denying that COVID was potentially going to strike the US. Congress people under Pelosi had already been calling for the administration to take it more seriously while Trump was in active denial and calling their concerns a Democratic hoax even later than that.

What exactly do you think the response would have been had Democratic politicians been calling for actual shutdowns at that point? Seriously.

Right now we've got right wingers coming out with assault weapons in various states protesting about the shutdowns, with Fox News, the rest of right wing media and even Trump himself cheering them on. Even in f**king New Jersey, where hundreds are still dying every day. There is no equivalency to be found here.

And what would Democratís have made of it had Trump introduced all these restrictions bang smack in the middle of the impeachment hearings and votes?

What would your granny be if she had balls??

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« Reply #15748 on: April 18, 2020, 03:33:20 PM »
Given what was known at the time, what was wrong with what Pelosi (or on a similar note in NYC, DeBlasio) said about trying to get people back to their respective Chinatowns?

This was before Italy. They weren't denying that COVID was potentially going to strike the US. Congress people under Pelosi had already been calling for the administration to take it more seriously while Trump was in active denial and calling their concerns a Democratic hoax even later than that.

What exactly do you think the response would have been had Democratic politicians been calling for actual shutdowns at that point? Seriously.

Right now we've got right wingers coming out with assault weapons in various states protesting about the shutdowns, with Fox News, the rest of right wing media and even Trump himself cheering them on. Even in f**king New Jersey, where hundreds are still dying every day. There is no equivalency to be found here.

And what would Democratís have made of it had Trump introduced all these restrictions bang smack in the middle of the impeachment hearings and votes?

What would your granny be if she had balls??

Exactly.....very easy for the Democrats to Monday morning quarter back and say what they would have done

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« Reply #15749 on: April 18, 2020, 03:43:31 PM »
United States is in the melting pot right now.
Trump is urging outright rebellion in locked down Democratic led states.
The red necks ,with their powerful gun lobby backers are promoting street protests. This has the potential for complete disaster. 
Trump is a very poor leader, surrounded by yes men, undemocratic , sound bite led, no blame culture.
God help America , if he is re elected.

The only good thing is , he can only be re-elected for 4 more years.  I hope ....