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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #15345 on: March 04, 2020, 06:04:46 PM »
The US is a plutocracy. The Democratic Party is as corrupt as the GOP.

https://www.ft.com/content/43af1416-5493-11ea-90ad-25e377c0ee1f

...whether the 78-year-old billionaire can salvage his campaign, including through a stronger performance in the next debate on Tuesday, or whether, after spending more than $400m of his vast fortune so far

https://www.ft.com/content/73b3ebfe-5e21-11ea-8033-fa40a0d65a98

Lynn Forester de Rothschild, the wealthy Democratic donor, said that Mr Bloomberg has entered the race with ďthe best of intentionsĒ but called on him to divert his resources to Mr Biden. ď[Mr Bloomberg] is devoted to defeating Trump and [had] worried that Sanders and Biden could not do it. Biden has now rallied and found his connection to the American people,Ē she added. ďI hope that Mike will realise that his best role at this point is to use his vast resources to support Joe Biden.

Well he's pulled out now, so I hope he puts his money into something helpful.

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« Reply #15346 on: March 04, 2020, 06:07:09 PM »
Warren should have pulled out before Tuesday and backed Bernie, just like the establishment candidates pulled out and supported Biden. She split the progressive vote and will deserve some of the blame for undermining Sanders. Shame that MA votes on Super Tuesday. She probably wanted to see how she did in her own state.

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« Reply #15347 on: March 04, 2020, 06:13:25 PM »
Trump has dementia but the GOP need him
The run down to the election is going to be nuts.
if trump has dementia what does joe Biden have ? he canít get through a sentence without making a balls of something and thatís the guy Bernie is going to get shafted for . Dementia is far from a laughing matter and joe should not be out there under that pressure.

Where is the evidence Bernie is going to get shafted?

Will I be shafting him when I hold my nose and vote for Biden in the NY primary? Biden is not my preferred choice, but Bernie IS my least-preferred.
the other candidates pulling out the day before Super Tuesday and backing Biden was a coincidence I suppose , vote for who you want to j70 itís a free country Iím sure Bernie wonít take it personally. As a side note that guy from the young Turks ran for Congress in Los Angeles yesterday and got his arse handed to him .

The other candidates seeing the light after making absolutely no impact in SC and deciding against splitting the moderate vote any further is NOT cheating Sanders. Itís simply acknowledging reality and something that has happened numerous times in other primaries, both Republican and Democratic, without whining, whether sincere or not, about one candidate or another getting fucked.

If anything, Bernie has benefited from the crowded field to date as he is far to the left of everyone else, with the arguable exception of Warren on healthcare, and has seen the moderate vote splintered among a rake of other contenders, none of whom could stand above the rest until SC gave Biden a second chance after a poor few months.

Of course, it suits the right, especially Trump, to claim Bernie is getting cheated, as he is the one they would like to face and depict as a horrible, monstrous, commie, anti-American extremist.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2020, 06:17:35 PM by J70 »

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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #15348 on: March 04, 2020, 07:04:11 PM »
Trump has dementia but the GOP need him
The run down to the election is going to be nuts.
if trump has dementia what does joe Biden have ? he canít get through a sentence without making a balls of something and thatís the guy Bernie is going to get shafted for . Dementia is far from a laughing matter and joe should not be out there under that pressure.

Where is the evidence Bernie is going to get shafted?

Will I be shafting him when I hold my nose and vote for Biden in the NY primary? Biden is not my preferred choice, but Bernie IS my least-preferred.
the other candidates pulling out the day before Super Tuesday and backing Biden was a coincidence I suppose , vote for who you want to j70 itís a free country Iím sure Bernie wonít take it personally. As a side note that guy from the young Turks ran for Congress in Los Angeles yesterday and got his arse handed to him .

The other candidates seeing the light after making absolutely no impact in SC and deciding against splitting the moderate vote any further is NOT cheating Sanders. Itís simply acknowledging reality and something that has happened numerous times in other primaries, both Republican and Democratic, without whining, whether sincere or not, about one candidate or another getting fucked.

If anything, Bernie has benefited from the crowded field to date as he is far to the left of everyone else, with the arguable exception of Warren on healthcare, and has seen the moderate vote splintered among a rake of other contenders, none of whom could stand above the rest until SC gave Biden a second chance after a poor few months.

Of course, it suits the right, especially Trump, to claim Bernie is getting cheated, as he is the one they would like to face and depict as a horrible, monstrous, commie, anti-American extremist.
if there was a straight up popular vote who would win ?

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« Reply #15349 on: March 04, 2020, 07:17:07 PM »
Trump has dementia but the GOP need him
The run down to the election is going to be nuts.
if trump has dementia what does joe Biden have ? he canít get through a sentence without making a balls of something and thatís the guy Bernie is going to get shafted for . Dementia is far from a laughing matter and joe should not be out there under that pressure.

Where is the evidence Bernie is going to get shafted?

Will I be shafting him when I hold my nose and vote for Biden in the NY primary? Biden is not my preferred choice, but Bernie IS my least-preferred.
the other candidates pulling out the day before Super Tuesday and backing Biden was a coincidence I suppose , vote for who you want to j70 itís a free country Iím sure Bernie wonít take it personally. As a side note that guy from the young Turks ran for Congress in Los Angeles yesterday and got his arse handed to him .

The other candidates seeing the light after making absolutely no impact in SC and deciding against splitting the moderate vote any further is NOT cheating Sanders. Itís simply acknowledging reality and something that has happened numerous times in other primaries, both Republican and Democratic, without whining, whether sincere or not, about one candidate or another getting fucked.

If anything, Bernie has benefited from the crowded field to date as he is far to the left of everyone else, with the arguable exception of Warren on healthcare, and has seen the moderate vote splintered among a rake of other contenders, none of whom could stand above the rest until SC gave Biden a second chance after a poor few months.

Of course, it suits the right, especially Trump, to claim Bernie is getting cheated, as he is the one they would like to face and depict as a horrible, monstrous, commie, anti-American extremist.
if there was a straight up popular vote who would win ?

Bernie v Biden - Biden
Bernie v Trump - Trump
Biden v Trump - not sure

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« Reply #15350 on: March 04, 2020, 07:21:15 PM »
Bernie v Biden
Trump beats Bernie but he might struggle to beat joe if joe can keep it together

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« Reply #15351 on: March 04, 2020, 08:14:52 PM »
Bernie v Biden
Trump beats Bernie but he might struggle to beat joe if joe can keep it together

Biden would be more likely to take back places like PA and Michigan.

But, that's if he can stand toe to toe with a dirty brawler like Trump and prevail over whatever is coming, bullshit or otherwise, vis a vis his son in the Ukraine.

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« Reply #15352 on: March 04, 2020, 08:39:42 PM »
Warren should have pulled out before Tuesday and backed Bernie, just like the establishment candidates pulled out and supported Biden. She split the progressive vote and will deserve some of the blame for undermining Sanders. Shame that MA votes on Super Tuesday. She probably wanted to see how she did in her own state.

Warren would have found it difficult to win MA at the best of times (I have lived here for the past 12 years and for 23 of the 30 years I have been in the States)

(1). Mayor of Boston is a personal friend of Biden and while maybe publicly didnít campaign for him, we all know what happens behind closed doors

(2) Unions were all for Biden (because Bernie and Warren were going to abolish their healthcare)

(3) Enormous student population which would have been for Bernie

(4) Independents like me who detest Warren, can pull a Democratic ballot in the primary and vote against her

The goal of folks like me was to undermine her electability by helping defeat her in her home state. We never imagined she would come in third

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« Reply #15353 on: March 07, 2020, 08:48:01 PM »
Warren should have pulled out before Tuesday and backed Bernie, just like the establishment candidates pulled out and supported Biden. She split the progressive vote and will deserve some of the blame for undermining Sanders. Shame that MA votes on Super Tuesday. She probably wanted to see how she did in her own state.

Warren would have found it difficult to win MA at the best of times (I have lived here for the past 12 years and for 23 of the 30 years I have been in the States)

(1). Mayor of Boston is a personal friend of Biden and while maybe publicly didnít campaign for him, we all know what happens behind closed doors

(2) Unions were all for Biden (because Bernie and Warren were going to abolish their healthcare)

(3) Enormous student population which would have been for Bernie

(4) Independents like me who detest Warren, can pull a Democratic ballot in the primary and vote against her

The goal of folks like me was to undermine her electability by helping defeat her in her home state. We never imagined she would come in third

At this point I've become somewhat accustomed to the sheer vitriol that spews from the American right, but I have to ask why you "detest" Warren.
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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #15354 on: March 08, 2020, 01:35:58 AM »
Delegate count:
Buttigieg 22
Sanders 21
Warren 8
Klobuchar 7
Biden 6
Bloomberg 0

Betting odds for 2020 winner:

Trump 8/13
Sanders 4/1
Bloomberg 9/1
Biden 20/1

Bloomberg took a hiding last night. He was like a duck out of water. Warren obliterated him. Will be interesting to see how that affects the polling numbers over the next few days, and if his high burn rate can take the bad look off it. I just wish he'd get out of the race and put his money into something useful like flipping the 4 senate seats we're going to need.
Odds update:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 7/2
Bloomberg: 8/1
Biden: 22/1

Bernie's odds moving in the right direction. Biden, not so much.

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:8/1
Biden: 9/1

Update:
Delegate count:
Sanders 31
Buttigieg 22
Warren 8
Biden 8
Klobuchar 7
Bloomberg 0

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 25/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 5/6
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:11/1
Biden: 11/1

Interesting that Chrome still thinks "Buttigieg" is a typo.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 29/10
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 28/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 4/5
Bloomberg: 4/1
Biden: 10/1
Buttigieg:12/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 12/1
Biden: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 4/1
Bloomberg: 11/2
Buttigieg:20/1

Bloomberg and Buttigeig getting it tight.

Bernie's odds are slipping slightly in the general election, but he's still the favourite to get the nomination.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 10/3
Biden: 9/1
Bloomberg: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 13/4
Bloomberg: 6/1
Buttigieg:20/1

This stock market crash might throw a spanner in the works. It was this kind of October surprise that worked in Obama's favor in 2008 when "the fundamentals of our economy [were] strong" until they weren't. Trump might cruise to reelection if the economy stays strong, but the coronavirus could change all that.

Get in there Bernie!

Delegate count:
Sanders: 58
Biden: 50
Buttigeig: 26 (I wonder what happens to delegates after a candidate pulls out)
Warren: 8
Klobuchar: 7

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/6
Sanders: 3/1
Biden: 13/2
Bloomberg: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Biden: 5/2
Bloomberg: 7/1
Hillary Clinton(!): 33/1

This is the first we've seen Trump's odds moving in a while. Could be the coronavirus effect. Damned if I know why they're showing odds for Hillary instead of the likes of Warren or Klobuchar who are actually in the race.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1


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« Reply #15355 on: March 08, 2020, 04:13:05 PM »
Warren should have pulled out before Tuesday and backed Bernie, just like the establishment candidates pulled out and supported Biden. She split the progressive vote and will deserve some of the blame for undermining Sanders. Shame that MA votes on Super Tuesday. She probably wanted to see how she did in her own state.

Warren would have found it difficult to win MA at the best of times (I have lived here for the past 12 years and for 23 of the 30 years I have been in the States)

(1). Mayor of Boston is a personal friend of Biden and while maybe publicly didnít campaign for him, we all know what happens behind closed doors

(2) Unions were all for Biden (because Bernie and Warren were going to abolish their healthcare)

(3) Enormous student population which would have been for Bernie

(4) Independents like me who detest Warren, can pull a Democratic ballot in the primary and vote against her

The goal of folks like me was to undermine her electability by helping defeat her in her home state. We never imagined she would come in third

At this point I've become somewhat accustomed to the sheer vitriol that spews from the American right, but I have to ask why you "detest" Warren.

Independents are not part of the American right

I canít stand Senator Warren because she is a liar, a fraud and a hypocrite.

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« Reply #15356 on: March 08, 2020, 05:04:44 PM »
I canít stand Senator Warren because she is a liar, a fraud and a hypocrite.

Ah, but really, how many politicians aren't liars, frauds or hypocrites?

Unfortunately democracy at that level tend to attract the wrong kinds of people. Particularly when its so money orientated as within the US (not that UK or Ireland are beacons in this respect either!)
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« Reply #15357 on: March 08, 2020, 06:16:43 PM »
Warren should have pulled out before Tuesday and backed Bernie, just like the establishment candidates pulled out and supported Biden. She split the progressive vote and will deserve some of the blame for undermining Sanders. Shame that MA votes on Super Tuesday. She probably wanted to see how she did in her own state.

Warren would have found it difficult to win MA at the best of times (I have lived here for the past 12 years and for 23 of the 30 years I have been in the States)

(1). Mayor of Boston is a personal friend of Biden and while maybe publicly didnít campaign for him, we all know what happens behind closed doors

(2) Unions were all for Biden (because Bernie and Warren were going to abolish their healthcare)

(3) Enormous student population which would have been for Bernie

(4) Independents like me who detest Warren, can pull a Democratic ballot in the primary and vote against her

The goal of folks like me was to undermine her electability by helping defeat her in her home state. We never imagined she would come in third

At this point I've become somewhat accustomed to the sheer vitriol that spews from the American right, but I have to ask why you "detest" Warren.

Independents are not part of the American right

I canít stand Senator Warren because she is a liar, a fraud and a hypocrite.

How so?

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« Reply #15358 on: March 08, 2020, 07:00:25 PM »
Warren should have pulled out before Tuesday and backed Bernie, just like the establishment candidates pulled out and supported Biden. She split the progressive vote and will deserve some of the blame for undermining Sanders. Shame that MA votes on Super Tuesday. She probably wanted to see how she did in her own state.

Warren would have found it difficult to win MA at the best of times (I have lived here for the past 12 years and for 23 of the 30 years I have been in the States)

(1). Mayor of Boston is a personal friend of Biden and while maybe publicly didnít campaign for him, we all know what happens behind closed doors

(2) Unions were all for Biden (because Bernie and Warren were going to abolish their healthcare)

(3) Enormous student population which would have been for Bernie

(4) Independents like me who detest Warren, can pull a Democratic ballot in the primary and vote against her

The goal of folks like me was to undermine her electability by helping defeat her in her home state. We never imagined she would come in third

At this point I've become somewhat accustomed to the sheer vitriol that spews from the American right, but I have to ask why you "detest" Warren.

Independents are not part of the American right

I canít stand Senator Warren because she is a liar, a fraud and a hypocrite.

How so?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/21/pathological-liar-elizabeth-warren-thinks-presiden/

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« Reply #15359 on: March 09, 2020, 04:45:21 PM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/03/08/complacent-governments-will-torn-shreds-coronavirus-quake-reshapes/

 the jury is also out on the US. It has allowed a surveillance failure. The fight is being led by a man who persisted in calling it a ďhoaxĒ long after it was already spreading in Washington state.

That infamous mantra will ring down through the ages as the defining epithet of the Trump presidency.

Barely in office, Donald Trump slashed the global health security funds of the Center for Disease Control (CDC) by 80pc and closed the pandemic machinery at the White House. His first reflex when cases escalated was to try to spin the message. All must be well so long as Wall Street is rising. But the markets were wrong. On matters of science, it is better to heed scientists.

Whether cuts to the CDC contributed to the fiasco of a faulty reagent sent out to labs will be combed over in the political post mortem, as will the long delay before permitting others to step into the breach. The fact is that the US tested almost nobody until early March. By then it was too late. It was the fatal missed window. Call it ďWuhan IIĒ Ė American style.
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