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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #15135 on: February 22, 2020, 03:08:50 PM »
http://apps.bostonglobe.com/nation/politics/2019/11/voters-2020-election/pennsylvania/erie/


A guy who gets up at 3:00 am to drive two hours to a roofing job, while his wife is working the overnight shift will never vote for a candidate who will provide healthcare to illegals and whoís tax dollars will be used to abolish the student debts of people whoíve never grafted a day in their lives

Jesus wept. So your roofer will happily keep on paying extortionate health insurance premiums to the legalized extortion racket known as "private health insurance" as long as undocumented people get to die of cancer for lack of money?

And what's all this about graduates never having worked?

And your response is exactly why heíll be voting for Trump again this year

Thank you

Your response doesn't make any sense whitey.

You guys just donít seem to accept that the Democrats have lost their traditional white working class vote.. He essentially called the guy stupid

So what?

People like him call people like me stupid.

Is voting completely about sticking it to the other guy?

Is voting for Trump all about ďmake liberals cry again!Ē?

Is that all thatís in it for this guy?

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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #15136 on: February 22, 2020, 03:40:04 PM »
http://apps.bostonglobe.com/nation/politics/2019/11/voters-2020-election/pennsylvania/erie/


A guy who gets up at 3:00 am to drive two hours to a roofing job, while his wife is working the overnight shift will never vote for a candidate who will provide healthcare to illegals and whoís tax dollars will be used to abolish the student debts of people whoíve never grafted a day in their lives

Jesus wept. So your roofer will happily keep on paying extortionate health insurance premiums to the legalized extortion racket known as "private health insurance" as long as undocumented people get to die of cancer for lack of money?

And what's all this about graduates never having worked?

And your response is exactly why heíll be voting for Trump again this year

Thank you

Your response doesn't make any sense whitey.

You guys just donít seem to accept that the Democrats have lost their traditional white working class vote.. He essentially called the guy stupid

So what?

People like him call people like me stupid.

Is voting completely about sticking it to the other guy?

Is voting for Trump all about ďmake liberals cry again!Ē?

Is that all thatís in it for this guy?

Did you read the article?

Do you understand why he voted for Trump in 2016 and why he will vote for him again in 2020? (Him being a lifelong Democrat who voted for both Clinton and Obama)

Do you understand why he probably wouldnít want his tax dollars to pay for the healthcare of illegals or to forgive the student debts of people who got useless majors and now canít get jobs..

If your answer is no to either of my questions I will feel very good about Trumps chances of re election

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« Reply #15137 on: February 22, 2020, 05:03:55 PM »
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why doesnít Bernie or any Democrat say we are going to give free health care to poor Amercian citizens and poor legal immigrants ?

That's precisely what Bernie has been saying all along.
yes but he also says free healthcare for people who are illegally living in country not the same , also just breaking Russians are trying to help Bernie win nomination  Vladimir must be laughing his bollox off the way he is f&cking with everyone.

So if a house is burning down and the occupants are undocumented, should the fire department not be obligated to put the fire out?

If a woman is being assaulted and she happens to be undocumented, should the police not intervene to protect her?

Where does this perverse idea come from that vital services should be withheld from people based on their immigration status?
stupid arguments , everybody gets vital services and hospital treatment if necessary the bottom line is politicians should not be promising healthcare to people who are here illegally and expect the American taxpayer to foot the bill for it.

Do you live on some planet where treatment for everything in the ER is cheaper? Or where you can get chemotherapy in the ER?

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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #15138 on: February 22, 2020, 05:25:27 PM »
Delegate count:
Buttigieg 22
Sanders 21
Warren 8
Klobuchar 7
Biden 6
Bloomberg 0

Betting odds for 2020 winner:

Trump 8/13
Sanders 4/1
Bloomberg 9/1
Biden 20/1

Bloomberg took a hiding last night. He was like a duck out of water. Warren obliterated him. Will be interesting to see how that affects the polling numbers over the next few days, and if his high burn rate can take the bad look off it. I just wish he'd get out of the race and put his money into something useful like flipping the 4 senate seats we're going to need.
Odds update:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 7/2
Bloomberg: 8/1
Biden: 22/1

Bernie's odds moving in the right direction. Biden, not so much.

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:8/1
Biden: 9/1
« Last Edit: February 22, 2020, 05:28:43 PM by Eamonnca1 »

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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #15139 on: February 22, 2020, 05:45:34 PM »
http://apps.bostonglobe.com/nation/politics/2019/11/voters-2020-election/pennsylvania/erie/


A guy who gets up at 3:00 am to drive two hours to a roofing job, while his wife is working the overnight shift will never vote for a candidate who will provide healthcare to illegals and whoís tax dollars will be used to abolish the student debts of people whoíve never grafted a day in their lives

Jesus wept. So your roofer will happily keep on paying extortionate health insurance premiums to the legalized extortion racket known as "private health insurance" as long as undocumented people get to die of cancer for lack of money?

And what's all this about graduates never having worked?

And your response is exactly why heíll be voting for Trump again this year

Thank you

Your response doesn't make any sense whitey.

You guys just donít seem to accept that the Democrats have lost their traditional white working class vote.. He essentially called the guy stupid
Identity politics split the working class vote post 1980 but it is not a law of nature. Far left LOLZ issues such as cheaper healthcare are attractive to law and order types.
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« Reply #15140 on: February 22, 2020, 05:59:06 PM »
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why doesnít Bernie or any Democrat say we are going to give free health care to poor Amercian citizens and poor legal immigrants ?

That's precisely what Bernie has been saying all along.
yes but he also says free healthcare for people who are illegally living in country not the same , also just breaking Russians are trying to help Bernie win nomination  Vladimir must be laughing his bollox off the way he is f&cking with everyone.

So if a house is burning down and the occupants are undocumented, should the fire department not be obligated to put the fire out?

If a woman is being assaulted and she happens to be undocumented, should the police not intervene to protect her?

Where does this perverse idea come from that vital services should be withheld from people based on their immigration status?
stupid arguments , everybody gets vital services and hospital treatment if necessary the bottom line is politicians should not be promising healthcare to people who are here illegally and expect the American taxpayer to foot the bill for it.

Do you live on some planet where treatment for everything in the ER is cheaper? Or where you can get chemotherapy in the ER?
most county hospitals provide all types of care to anyone who canít afford it , it might take 3 months to get an appointment but thatís government run healthcare in most countries , in Ireland I would imagine anyone who can afford to go private does if they can . Democrats talk about giving shite healthcare to people who can already get said shite healthcare itís disingenuous and is all about votes .

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« Reply #15141 on: February 22, 2020, 06:44:27 PM »


most county hospitals provide all types of care to anyone who canít afford it , it might take 3 months to get an appointment but thatís government run healthcare in most countries , in Ireland I would imagine anyone who can afford to go private does if they can . Democrats talk about giving shite healthcare to people who can already get said shite healthcare itís disingenuous and is all about votes .

So healthcare in the USA is fine then? Why are so many people going bankrupt when they get sick when they could just walk into the ER and get all this free stuff?

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« Reply #15142 on: February 22, 2020, 06:59:20 PM »


most county hospitals provide all types of care to anyone who canít afford it , it might take 3 months to get an appointment but thatís government run healthcare in most countries , in Ireland I would imagine anyone who can afford to go private does if they can . Democrats talk about giving shite healthcare to people who can already get said shite healthcare itís disingenuous and is all about votes .

So healthcare in the USA is fine then? Why are so many people going bankrupt when they get sick when they could just walk into the ER and get all this free stuff?

EMERGENCY medical care is available to all......always has been, regardless of legal status

Democrats are now proposing to take it to a whole new level by providing ďCOVERAGEĒ to all under their new plan. Coverage for all would cover everything.

 You think we have problems now with the surge in numbers crossing illegally........wait til this gets passed

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/05/border-arrests-increase-may-1509572

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« Reply #15143 on: February 22, 2020, 07:17:14 PM »


most county hospitals provide all types of care to anyone who canít afford it , it might take 3 months to get an appointment but thatís government run healthcare in most countries , in Ireland I would imagine anyone who can afford to go private does if they can . Democrats talk about giving shite healthcare to people who can already get said shite healthcare itís disingenuous and is all about votes .

So healthcare in the USA is fine then? Why are so many people going bankrupt when they get sick when they could just walk into the ER and get all this free stuff?
[/quote do undocumented people go bankrupt? No because they have no ssn so canít be held accountable, the poor citizens again get the whammy , bottom line my point is take care of your own citizens first however u do it .

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« Reply #15144 on: February 22, 2020, 07:26:05 PM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/14/health-insurance-medical-bankruptcy-debt

Over 1/2 a million people a year in the US go bankrupt due to medical costs. No one in the UK, Ireland, Canada .. go bankrupt because of medical Bill's. Over 20% of people in US reported struggling to pay health insurance. How could it not be a major election issue.
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« Reply #15145 on: February 22, 2020, 07:33:31 PM »


most county hospitals provide all types of care to anyone who canít afford it , it might take 3 months to get an appointment but thatís government run healthcare in most countries , in Ireland I would imagine anyone who can afford to go private does if they can . Democrats talk about giving shite healthcare to people who can already get said shite healthcare itís disingenuous and is all about votes .

So healthcare in the USA is fine then? Why are so many people going bankrupt when they get sick when they could just walk into the ER and get all this free stuff?

EMERGENCY medical care is available to all......always has been, regardless of legal status

Can you get chemo in the ER? How about a hip replacement?

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Democrats are now proposing to take it to a whole new level by providing ďCOVERAGEĒ to all under their new plan. Coverage for all would cover everything.

You think we have problems now with the surge in numbers crossing illegally........wait til this gets passed

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/05/border-arrests-increase-may-1509572

Let's make life as miserable as possible then. Gotta deter those migrants.

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« Reply #15146 on: February 22, 2020, 07:36:34 PM »


most county hospitals provide all types of care to anyone who canít afford it , it might take 3 months to get an appointment but thatís government run healthcare in most countries , in Ireland I would imagine anyone who can afford to go private does if they can . Democrats talk about giving shite healthcare to people who can already get said shite healthcare itís disingenuous and is all about votes .

So healthcare in the USA is fine then? Why are so many people going bankrupt when they get sick when they could just walk into the ER and get all this free stuff?
do undocumented people go bankrupt? No because they have no ssn so canít be held accountable, the poor citizens again get the whammy , bottom line my point is take care of your own citizens first however u do it .

Put those goalposts back where you got them. I didn't ask about undocumented people (or "illegals" as you call them). Why are so many people going bankrupt from medical bills (or dying for lack of coverage) if all their needs can be met in the ER? Are you seriously trying to argue that it's cheaper to provide these essential services in the ER?

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« Reply #15147 on: February 22, 2020, 08:01:36 PM »


most county hospitals provide all types of care to anyone who canít afford it , it might take 3 months to get an appointment but thatís government run healthcare in most countries , in Ireland I would imagine anyone who can afford to go private does if they can . Democrats talk about giving shite healthcare to people who can already get said shite healthcare itís disingenuous and is all about votes .

So healthcare in the USA is fine then? Why are so many people going bankrupt when they get sick when they could just walk into the ER and get all this free stuff?
do undocumented people go bankrupt? No because they have no ssn so canít be held accountable, the poor citizens again get the whammy , bottom line my point is take care of your own citizens first however u do it .

Put those goalposts back where you got them. I didn't ask about undocumented people (or "illegals" as you call them). Why are so many people going bankrupt from medical bills (or dying for lack of coverage) if all their needs can be met in the ER? Are you seriously trying to argue that it's cheaper to provide these essential services in the ER?
County hospitals work like a private one u make appointments to see a doctor who decides what happens next u donít go to the er for shoulder pain knee pain etc which is how bigger problems are mostly discovered, u donít go to the er and say I have cancer ffs , I never said the Er care took care of all ills but it is available for emergencies hence the name .

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« Reply #15148 on: February 22, 2020, 08:07:02 PM »
Healthcare and prisons are 25% of US GDP or 1 in 4 dollars spent.

This is approx 10% of GDP higher than OECD averages and it all goes to the beloved 1% of Whitey and Gmac.

Stein was an official in Nixon's admin. Stein's law says that if something cannot go on forever it will stop.
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« Reply #15149 on: February 22, 2020, 08:25:20 PM »
Why donít apple ,Facebook , google, amazon all owned and run by progressives put a fund together for healthcare with some of the tax that they donít pay . Wouldnít that be something we all agree on .