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sid waddell

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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #13065 on: October 10, 2018, 10:49:11 PM »
You canít understand the US unless you live there is a version of what in philosophy  is referred to as the ďpractical manĒ fallacy, the idea that nothing can exist with any meaning outside immediate physical experience. In football it is known as the ďnever kicked a ball in your lifeĒ theory.

Twitter is free. The NYT is $60 for an online sub.

It gives you context and an understanding that you don't have and cant experience by reading about it with preconceived notions. You cant choose who you meet in the same way as you can choose what you read so it exposes you to perspectives at a personal perspective that you just cant get working from concepts alone.

I'll give you an example. I know a couple of fellas one is Hispanic (whatever that is) the other is Asian (sort of). both young, educated, fairly nerdy, good jobs, good craic, decent lads. To you or me or any1 else they come across as down to earth, smart and normal.. But what do they do their free time? They drive out into their desert to drink beer and shoot guns at shitty targets they set up. I get a good ole laugh outta this cos to me its the most hillbilly thing I ever heard of. Now they hate Trump think he and most Republicans are morons but if you try and tell them they shouldn't be allowed to shoot their guns in the desert in the desert because some psychopath shot up a school they wouldn't think its ridiculous or be outraged or anything else... they would just laugh their heads off as to to them what you are saying would be completely illogical. A German fella got into it with them about guns once and starting citing all these countries with low gun crime rates, it soon shutup when they asked him about Switzerland (he didnt have a clue incidentally!) Now I don't know how they vote, I suspect blue but if the right GOP candidate came along they would vote for them in a flinch.

Now this is the thing you don't get about reading politics in America you don't get the one on one interaction with people, so you don't really get to understand where they are coming from and how genuine they are.
You dont get a feel of the vastness of opinions, eventually you find out that everyone has a different opinion, no one it turns out fits the mould of a typical righty or liberal. And these people come in all shapes, shades, ages and places.
You dont get how politics affects you personally, your income, healthcare, roads, rent, crime in your area. And how you feel about that. You can hypothessze all you want about how you'll feel but the truth is... you just dont know until your in that situation.

Also... never kicked a ball is very true you would know it if ye ever did. I could never tell how good a footballer some is until I played agin or with them , it just gives you a perspective that you cant get when your watching in the stands....and commenting on American politics from Ireland well I am afraid your only watching in the stands.

And most Americans would think its hilarious that you even are watching from the stands, the only people that take notice of you are eejits like me expats...a good portion of whom cant or don't vote.

Whether or not you think people can understand something without direct experience depends on how your brain works. Some people can only do what they know.

What is going on in the US now is fascinating. An economic system is dying. The richest 1% own around 50% of everything. The GOP has managed to convince people that this is fine.

And mainstream Democrats as well, it's all based on the American mentality; if you work hard enough you can make it too.

When you talk to republicans and democrats (in NJ, as the differences between the two have regional variances), the conversations will centre around the following arguments, big government 'v' small government, new immigrants needing to adapt to America, not the other way around ''v' America should be set up to ease entry into American society (immigrant support services). immigration policy, (economic immigrant policy 'v' family immigrant policy), and lastly taxes.

During discussions that I've had, I've always found them to being interesting, and the rep and demo leaning people have honest points.

For example, Rep attitude to taxes, lower corp taxes to encourage company's to employ more people in USA with better paid jobs which in turn helps pull people out of poverty 'v' high taxes to support the poor with benefits

These are the debates that you will exposed to while living in America, debates that you wont hear in the news channels.
All these debates are universal and in their US context endless reams of debates about them are easily accessible online.

In that case, would you agreed that people from outside Northern Ireland would understand the NI people, politics and local issues by watching our political leaders debate on TV?

Or would you agree with the statement that  people would understand the complexities of the border to the same level as the local border communities by watching the DUP / Tories / Sinn Fein debate on line.

Or would the people living in the country have a deeper understanding of the issues via living in the community 'v' someone who watched online debates
I'm not from Northern Ireland and intricately understand all these things, mainly by watching television and reading.
I doubt it.

My club was hammered last year in the public domain regarding PH , and zero nuance surrounding the community history in regards to police harassment / threats, how a significant section of the club supported PH, was communicated in any debate / newspapers. Yet everybody on this website and in NI society had "expert" opinions on what had happened, yet nobody outside of the community did
I certainly wasn't hammering your club, in fact my view on the issue was highly nuanced and I extensively defended them on another forum over the treatment they received both from Joe Brolly and on social media.

Most of that "hammering" came from within the entity known as Northern Ireland.

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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #13066 on: October 10, 2018, 11:26:08 PM »

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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #13067 on: October 11, 2018, 11:16:53 AM »
Presumably the top model is the one to aspire to, or something something.



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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #13068 on: October 14, 2018, 08:30:29 AM »
Douglas A. Blackmon

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1/2 Back when the post-Hurricane Katrina images showed black people taking diapers, food and water from stores, it was mostly called ďlooting.Ē Now with white victims, itís ďsalvaging supplies.Ē
But both catastrophes (and Maria) share two things: .



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The two things shared by Hurricanes Katrina, Maria & Michael:

1) A Republican White House that refused to listen, to fully fund preparations, or to get ready, and then blamed first responders & victims.

2) A president who arrogantly scoffed at the peril of climate change.
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« Reply #13069 on: October 14, 2018, 07:22:13 PM »
The GOP think climate change is a Chinese hoax

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2018/oct/10/climate-change-what-will-happen-hellfire-california-forest-fires

I wonder what the lads in the Gaaboard 4 Chan think.

Fear mongering at it's very best, lets legally spray the skies, block off the dreaded sun and introduce a worldwide carbon tax along with greater control of the people.

The real cause of the Californian fires:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWvuPcurB6Q
I wish I could inspire the same confidence in the truth which is so readily accorded to lies.

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« Reply #13070 on: October 14, 2018, 07:35:34 PM »
The GOP think climate change is a Chinese hoax

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2018/oct/10/climate-change-what-will-happen-hellfire-california-forest-fires

I wonder what the lads in the Gaaboard 4 Chan think.

Fear mongering at it's very best, lets legally spray the skies, block off the dreaded sun and introduce a worldwide carbon tax along with greater control of the people.

The real cause of the Californian fires:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWvuPcurB6Q
What about the floods in Florida? Another Soros conspiracy ?
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« Reply #13071 on: October 14, 2018, 11:54:33 PM »
The GOP think climate change is a Chinese hoax

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2018/oct/10/climate-change-what-will-happen-hellfire-california-forest-fires

I wonder what the lads in the Gaaboard 4 Chan think.

Fear mongering at it's very best, lets legally spray the skies, block off the dreaded sun and introduce a worldwide carbon tax along with greater control of the people.

The real cause of the Californian fires:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWvuPcurB6Q


https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2017-12-22/trump-resort-in-ireland-will-build-seawalls-to-protect-against-climate-change

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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #13072 on: October 15, 2018, 12:37:02 AM »
https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/13/bill-maher-political-correctness-scott-kelly/

Theyíve officially lost the plot. Not a lot of hope for mankind...........er...I mean humankind

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« Reply #13073 on: October 15, 2018, 02:49:00 AM »
Attaboy whitey .... love the Daily Caller

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« Reply #13074 on: October 15, 2018, 03:17:17 AM »
Attaboy whitey .... love the Daily Caller

The clip is the clip.....itís available on numerous sites. find one more to your liking if you donít like the Daily Caller

And for what itís worth, the Daily Caller is about as credible as CNN, The NY Times or NBC

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nbc-news-trump-robert-e-lee_us_5bc3813de4b0bd9ed55b2eda

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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #13075 on: October 15, 2018, 03:28:19 AM »
Attaboy whitey .... love the Daily Caller

The clip is the clip.....itís available on numerous sites. find one more to your liking if you donít like the Daily Caller

And for what itís worth, the Daily Caller is about as credible as CNN, The NY Times or NBC

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nbc-news-trump-robert-e-lee_us_5bc3813de4b0bd9ed55b2eda


"NBC News has issued a correction "

You can tell that NBC is one of those liberal media outlets because it issues corrections. The conservative/right wing/conspiracy loon lot double down on the bullshit.

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« Reply #13076 on: October 15, 2018, 06:06:20 AM »
https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/13/bill-maher-political-correctness-scott-kelly/

Theyíve officially lost the plot. Not a lot of hope for mankind...........er...I mean humankind

WTF Whitey
The Daily Caller is a conservative American news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C. It was founded by political pundit Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel in 2010.
Of course itís objective

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« Reply #13077 on: October 15, 2018, 07:34:44 AM »
Attaboy whitey .... love the Daily Caller

The clip is the clip.....itís available on numerous sites. find one more to your liking if you donít like the Daily Caller

And for what itís worth, the Daily Caller is about as credible as CNN, The NY Times or NBC

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nbc-news-trump-robert-e-lee_us_5bc3813de4b0bd9ed55b2eda
So there are red facts and blue facts, are there?
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« Reply #13078 on: October 15, 2018, 09:50:57 AM »
Attaboy whitey .... love the Daily Caller

The clip is the clip.....itís available on numerous sites. find one more to your liking if you donít like the Daily Caller

And for what itís worth, the Daily Caller is about as credible as CNN, The NY Times or NBC

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nbc-news-trump-robert-e-lee_us_5bc3813de4b0bd9ed55b2eda

I actually think Maher is right. . . political correctness is a load of bullshit and has gone too far and people who see others cave into twitter muppets and halfwits think the Dems are too soft.

So the astronaut quoted Churchill and Churchill was a ****. . . big deal why does there need to be an escapade for keyboard warriors to get him to take it down. The Cambridge thing of not honouring Rememberance Sunday because it glorifies war is also ridiculous as well.

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« Reply #13079 on: October 15, 2018, 10:12:05 AM »
Attaboy whitey .... love the Daily Caller

The clip is the clip.....itís available on numerous sites. find one more to your liking if you donít like the Daily Caller

And for what itís worth, the Daily Caller is about as credible as CNN, The NY Times or NBC

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nbc-news-trump-robert-e-lee_us_5bc3813de4b0bd9ed55b2eda


"NBC News has issued a correction "

You can tell that NBC is one of those liberal media outlets because it issues corrections. The conservative/right wing/conspiracy loon lot double down on the bullshit.

NBC selectively editing a Trump quite to make it appear he said something he didnít

NY Times a couple of weeks ago claiming Nikki Haley spent $50K on curtains when it was Obama

Fake news is real my friends. 

Neither of these were ďmistakesĒ. They were partisan hit jobs that had to be walked back