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« Reply #13005 on: October 06, 2018, 01:15:27 AM »
One could come to a very logical conclusion about whether whitey believes Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Jimmy Savile or Brendan Smyth were innocent or guilty.

Because according to him a victim reporting a rape or an attempted rape after the fact does not count as evidence.

And therefore, according to whitey's logic, these men are totally innocent.


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« Reply #13006 on: October 06, 2018, 01:37:54 AM »
Gmac being fast and loose with the truth again re: Franken.

He wasn't filmed groping a sleeping woman



what is he doing?

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« Reply #13007 on: October 06, 2018, 01:56:02 AM »
One could come to a very logical conclusion about whether whitey believes Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Jimmy Savile or Brendan Smyth were innocent or guilty.

Because according to him a victim reporting a rape or an attempted rape after the fact does not count as evidence.

And therefore, according to whitey's logic, these men are totally innocent.

Her story just doesn’t add up. 

Her best friend who was supposedly there at the party said she didn’t even know Brett Kavanaugh and has no recollection of such a gathering even taking place. (and now it looks like she was pressurized by Fords team to alter her original sworn testimony)

The 2 or 3 other people who were supposedly present haven’t a fvckin clue what she’s talking about either

The 2 pillars of her story, the therapists report fand the polygraph haven’t been handed over to either the FBI or the Senate judiciary committee-WHY?

It’s a free country, believe what you want

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« Reply #13008 on: October 06, 2018, 04:59:37 AM »
More bullshit waffle from the forum's chief Trump sycophant.

A cheerleader with a short skirt and pom poms without a trace of balls to admit what they are.

Like Richard Hammond and Jeff Flake, you're trapped between two different forms of cowardice.

Why did Hillary lose?

For exhibit A please see above
You and all the other far right fruitcakes need to abandon your irrational obsession with the Clintons. It's really unhealthy. Sort of Gemma O'Doherty-esque.

Believing in law and order/innocent until proven guilty = "far right fruitcake"?

I know none of us here affect American elections but if conversations like this are occurring across the states then we are in for two terms of Trump. Democrats are isolating themselves from the middle/swing voter by indulging these people.


I live in the US, so I will give you my two cents.

you are so correct on last point.

What do dems stand for, they don't even know. they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the economy.

Reality is that the economy is booming, the unemployment rate fell to 3.7% this morning, lowest since 1969.
Corporate tax cuts and less regulation across all industries are helping capital spending= more jobs being created by small to mid sized companies=higher salaries, I sincerely doubt that Amazon upped their minimum wage to $15 this week just because they wanted to be nice. The most likely did it to hold on to workers. That is a huge positive, and from what you read salary increases are occurring industry wide, which is great. wages and benefits for lower paid workers were too low to sustain a decent living.

In Short;
Dem strategy appears to be pro worker but anti-business. Reality it does not work.
Republician strategy is to cut corporate and individual taxes, reduce regulations, encourage companies to set up shop here hire more people, and the increased tax receipts from higher GDP will hopefully pay for additional services.

At the moment here, despite all the negative sh*t you are bombarded with on the TV,  consumer confidence is very high, I travel a good bit for work and it genuinely seems to be not just in the North East.

Finally, Can Trump take all the credit, no. Do I agree with everything he does, absolutely not, However he has a business background and he has listened (sometimes) to some bright people and two years into his presidency his pro business policies are now paying dividends for workers.

As for the Dems, (my wife is a registered one), and she has even admitted that the current strategy of trying to stop Kavanaugh is all about getting their base motivated ahead of the mid-term elections. As for their economic strategy, non existent.

Ah now, bit of reading wouldn't go amiss.

Dem strategy is anti business, and Trump has a business background. I would fact check those two for a start.

Amazon's minimum wage is a factor of many things. Hold on to workers? Try share holder pressure and recruitment issues with the threat of significant legal action globally.

You may want to take a look at basic economic theory, before you start claiming a political party doesn't have a leg to stand in. The is economy is unsurprisingly remarakbly complicated, but never in history has a tax cut for the richest when there is a significant wage gap created anything other a temporary bump in equity prices, no trickle down, no investment, no repatriation of profits.

Sadly however there is no upside to mainstream politicians or the rich  to educating poor people in basic economic theory, And it's even better when you don't understand what liberal or socialist means and you turn them into a slur...
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« Reply #13009 on: October 06, 2018, 06:01:31 AM »
Gmac being fast and loose with the truth again re: Franken.

He wasn't filmed groping a sleeping woman



what is he doing?

Was he touching her GMAC or just faking it. I thought Democrats were “fakers”

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« Reply #13010 on: October 06, 2018, 06:16:03 AM »
Alexander Hamilton

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-12-02-0184-0002

The truth unquestionably is, that the only path to a subversion of the republican system of the Country is, by flattering the prejudices of the people, and exciting their jealousies and apprehensions, to throw affairs into confusion, and bring on civil commotion. Tired at length of anarchy, or want of government, they may take shelter in the arms of monarchy for repose and security.
Those then, who resist a confirmation of public order, are the true Artificers of monarchy—not that this is the intention of the generality of them. Yet it would not be difficult to lay the finger upon some of their party who may justly be suspected. When a man unprincipled in private life desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper, possessed of considerable talents, having the advantage of military habits—despotic in his ordinary demeanour—known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty—when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity—to join in the cry of danger to liberty—to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion—to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day—It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may “ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.”
It has aptly been observed that Cato was the Tory-Cæsar the whig of his day. The former frequently resisted—the latter always flattered the follies of the people. Yet the former perished with the Republic the latter destroyed it.
No popular Government was ever without its Catalines & its Cæsars. These are its true enemies.”

The institutions of the US depend on the integrity of the people who run them. Their credibility cannot be guaranteed.


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« Reply #13011 on: October 06, 2018, 06:38:02 AM »
More bullshit waffle from the forum's chief Trump sycophant.

A cheerleader with a short skirt and pom poms without a trace of balls to admit what they are.

Like Richard Hammond and Jeff Flake, you're trapped between two different forms of cowardice.

Why did Hillary lose?

For exhibit A please see above
You and all the other far right fruitcakes need to abandon your irrational obsession with the Clintons. It's really unhealthy. Sort of Gemma O'Doherty-esque.

Believing in law and order/innocent until proven guilty = "far right fruitcake"?

I know none of us here affect American elections but if conversations like this are occurring across the states then we are in for two terms of Trump. Democrats are isolating themselves from the middle/swing voter by indulging these people.


I live in the US, so I will give you my two cents.

you are so correct on last point.

What do dems stand for, they don't even know. they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the economy.

Reality is that the economy is booming, the unemployment rate fell to 3.7% this morning, lowest since 1969.
Corporate tax cuts and less regulation across all industries are helping capital spending= more jobs being created by small to mid sized companies=higher salaries, I sincerely doubt that Amazon upped their minimum wage to $15 this week just because they wanted to be nice. The most likely did it to hold on to workers. That is a huge positive, and from what you read salary increases are occurring industry wide, which is great. wages and benefits for lower paid workers were too low to sustain a decent living.

In Short;
Dem strategy appears to be pro worker but anti-business. Reality it does not work.
Republician strategy is to cut corporate and individual taxes, reduce regulations, encourage companies to set up shop here hire more people, and the increased tax receipts from higher GDP will hopefully pay for additional services.

At the moment here, despite all the negative sh*t you are bombarded with on the TV,  consumer confidence is very high, I travel a good bit for work and it genuinely seems to be not just in the North East.

Finally, Can Trump take all the credit, no. Do I agree with everything he does, absolutely not, However he has a business background and he has listened (sometimes) to some bright people and two years into his presidency his pro business policies are now paying dividends for workers.

As for the Dems, (my wife is a registered one), and she has even admitted that the current strategy of trying to stop Kavanaugh is all about getting their base motivated ahead of the mid-term elections. As for their economic strategy, non existent.

Ah now, bit of reading wouldn't go amiss.

Dem strategy is anti business, and Trump has a business background. I would fact check those two for a start.

Amazon's minimum wage is a factor of many things. Hold on to workers? Try share holder pressure and recruitment issues with the threat of significant legal action globally.

You may want to take a look at basic economic theory, before you start claiming a political party doesn't have a leg to stand in. The is economy is unsurprisingly remarakbly complicated, but never in history has a tax cut for the richest when there is a significant wage gap created anything other a temporary bump in equity prices, no trickle down, no investment, no repatriation of profits.

Sadly however there is no upside to mainstream politicians or the rich  to educating poor people in basic economic theory, And it's even better when you don't understand what liberal or socialist means and you turn them into a slur...

Joemamas.... you are right the economy is doing well currently. Simply put, a continuation of the 8 years of job and economic growth that The previous administration maintained despite Republican sniping. (You will remember who promoted the trickledown voodoo economics that caused the crash and who fixed it) The Trump tax cuts, mostly 85% give backs to the wealthy have done very little to narrow the wealth gap and have merely put the Economy on a “sugar” high which will crash pretty soon. If something is not done to pump up real demand; putting cash in the pockets of people who will spend it in the US immediately ( An example would be a huge amount of investment in infrastructure immediately) we will not sustain the current levels of growth. This current tax cut spend will not sustain increased demand much past the end of the year and  flame out due to inflation and increased health care costs. The increased healthcare costs will be taken out of “joe the plumbers” pocket because of the attacks on Obamacare by the Republicans. However he will keep on voting for them because he knows one day he will become a billionaire and God has told him it’s the right thing to do. Ahhhhh I’m too tired to finish this but I hope you get the drift.

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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #13012 on: October 06, 2018, 06:42:24 AM »
Gmac being fast and loose with the truth again re: Franken.

He wasn't filmed groping a sleeping woman



what is he doing?

You never told me where you stood on High Speed Rail.

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« Reply #13013 on: October 06, 2018, 06:46:00 AM »
I guess I live further west than most of ye. ....... well anyway, the lads who have nothing better to do on a Friday night.

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« Reply #13014 on: October 06, 2018, 09:28:56 AM »
On a related note Kavanaugh played our beloved game in the summer of 1982 as stated in the now famous calender.

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« Reply #13015 on: October 06, 2018, 11:22:06 AM »
One could come to a very logical conclusion about whether whitey believes Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Jimmy Savile or Brendan Smyth were innocent or guilty.

Because according to him a victim reporting a rape or an attempted rape after the fact does not count as evidence.

And therefore, according to whitey's logic, these men are totally innocent.

Her story just doesn’t add up. 

Her best friend who was supposedly there at the party said she didn’t even know Brett Kavanaugh and has no recollection of such a gathering even taking place. (and now it looks like she was pressurized by Fords team to alter her original sworn testimony)

The 2 or 3 other people who were supposedly present haven’t a fvckin clue what she’s talking about either

The 2 pillars of her story, the therapists report fand the polygraph haven’t been handed over to either the FBI or the Senate judiciary committee-WHY?

It’s a free country, believe what you want

Blah blah blah with the disinformation from your usual far right sources.

Of course you think her story doesn't add up.

She's i) a woman, ii) a highly intelligent scholar and iii) has accused a Republican lackey of attempting to rape her. All things people like you hate.

Far more reliable, apparently, are the "memories" somebody we know was an out and out drunkard.

Your confirmation bias, quite literally, is very strong with this one. As ever.

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« Reply #13016 on: October 06, 2018, 01:12:20 PM »
I would love to know what sort of payrises Gmac, Whitey and co got over the last decade to go with their GOP grá. Deflation is for small people.
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« Reply #13017 on: October 06, 2018, 01:15:04 PM »
Gmac being fast and loose with the truth again re: Franken.

He wasn't filmed groping a sleeping woman



what is he doing?

Was he touching her GMAC or just faking it. I thought Democrats were “fakers”
the girl in question has been interviewed lots of times and states he did grope her at this time which al can’t remember of course

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« Reply #13018 on: October 06, 2018, 01:24:03 PM »
Gmac being fast and loose with the truth again re: Franken.

He wasn't filmed groping a sleeping woman



what is he doing?

You never told me where you stood on High Speed Rail.
do u have something to doing on me if u don’t like the answer I give ??
In theory good but I have little faith in California getting anything done near on time or near on budget , started in 2015 for completion in 2023 so let’s see

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« Reply #13019 on: October 06, 2018, 04:10:11 PM »
Gmac being fast and loose with the truth again re: Franken.

He wasn't filmed groping a sleeping woman



what is he doing?

Was he touching her GMAC or just faking it. I thought Democrats were “fakers”
the girl in question has been interviewed lots of times and states he did grope her at this time which al can’t remember of course
Exactly the same as Bart O'Kavanaugh so - except for the key detail that Franken wasn't actually trying to rape her.

Did you think Franken was right to resign?