The Many Faces of US Politics...

[stew]

There`s only 1 thing keeps the America economy going, a good war, i wonder who`s in their sight in the next 4 years,
as for some people who voted for this clown, you brought it all on uself, enjoy!!

Probably as,much as they enjoyed Obama and Clinton, the alternative was to elect a proven warmonger!

[Declan]

https://twitter.com/julienmercille/status/798232851955273732

As always Chomsky gives an alternative perspective

[seafoid]

Bannon is a Nazi. Priebus isn't  . The GOP does not need antisemitism to rule the US. It does not need misogyny.

[seafoid]

Steve Bannon's Appointment Is a Moment of Truth for U.S. Jews
   
      After tapping campaign CEO Stephen Bannon as chief strategist, no one can say there is any ambiguity as to who Trump is and what kind of president he plans to be.
   
 
  Allison Kaplan Sommer    Nov 14, 2016 5:55 PM
Less than a week after Election Day, a clear moral dilemma is presenting itself to the American Jewish community: To work with or against the most powerful leader in the world – one who has placed a white supremacist and anti-Semite at his side. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               Donald Trump has appointed Stephen Bannon, his former campaign CEO, as chief strategist and top aide – a man who deliberately shaped the Breitbart news site into an online gathering place for racists, white nationalists and misogynists. No one can pretend there is any ambiguity as to who Trump is and what kind of president he plans to be. He is precisely the same divisive and dangerous figure he was in his campaign.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               If proof of that is necessary beyond the Bannon appointment, the fact that Trump has refused to repudiate his fractious and frightening campaign rhetoric in post-election interviews provides it. When asked directly by The Wall Street Journal if he regretted inveighing against Muslims, Latinos and other groups during his campaign, the president-elect said "No," because, after all, "I won."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               
                           
                                                                                        
                           
                                                                                                                                                                    Read more on Trump and American Jews: Dr. Priebus and Mr. Bannon: The stuff of which Jewish nightmares are made (Chemi Shalev)| President Trump has shattered Jews' American idyll (Chemi Shalev) | 'You deserve to be gassed': Hate crimes skyrocket after Trump win (Debra Nussbaum Cohen) | To the Trump voter who just told me to leave the country (Bradley Burston)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               During the days immediately following the elections, American Jews could do little more than cross their fingers, watching with trepidation for a signal as to what kind of president he would shape up to be.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               The vast majority of U.S. Jews – liberal Democrats who voted against Trump in overwhelming numbers – were dismayed by his win, but hoped in the name of unity that he would disavow the vile rhetoric that characterized his campaign as he headed into the White House.
                                                                                     
                                                                        Trump campaign CEO Stephen Bannon at the final rally of Trump's 2016 presidential campaign in Michigan, Nov. 7, 2016. Mandel Ngan/AFP
               
               
               
           
                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                               
                           
                  
               
                                                                                        Republican Jews, even some who had deep reservations about Trump, let themselves celebrate the fact that the GOP would now be in control of both the White House and the Capitol. Many had been reassured by surrogates like Trump lawyers Jason Greenblatt and David Friedman – and by Trump's Orthodox Jewish son-in-law Jared Kushner – that a Trump administration would indeed, be "good for the Jews" and, in particular, good for Israel. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               Pragmatic Jewish leaders, knowing who would be in power for the next four years, congratulated and reached out to Trump.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               The day after the election, there was already a preview of things to come. Matt Brooks, executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, attacked the Anti-Defamation League for its behavior during the campaign, charging that the ADL had been too hard on Trump's supporters.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               "The ADL has put itself potentially in a compromising position going forward, in terms of its ability to interact with the incoming administration," Brooks said.
                                                                                                                                                                          skip - ADL tweet
             
       
           
            
                                                        

                                  
                 
     
                                                                                                   
                                                               The ADL's CEO, Jonathan Greenblatt, responded defiantly that it would not be deterred in calling out anti-Semitism – no matter the source.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               And herein lies the crux of the problem. Republican loyalists and the large Jewish organizations whose raison d'etre is to broker and lobby the centers of power in the U.S. government on behalf of Jewish interests will feel they must maintain a connection with the Trump White House. They will be urged to do so by the Israeli government, which will effectively argue that it is a strategic necessity to stay on the good side of the White House, no matter who resides there and no matter who their aides are. 
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                                                               These groups are likely to justify "normalizing" Trump by pointing to the Israel-hostile and anti-Semitic elements within the left, and arguing that this never stopped them from talking to the Obama White House.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               It's exactly the same way in which Bannon defends the alt-right, which he denies is racist. In a Mother Jones interview, he contended: "Look, are there some people that are white nationalists that are attracted to some of the philosophies of the alt-right? Maybe," he said.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               "Are there some people that are anti-Semitic that are attracted? Maybe. Right? Maybe some people are attracted to the alt-right that are homophobes, right? But that's just like, there are certain elements of the progressive left and the hard left that attract certain elements." "
                                                                                                                                                                          skip - Rabbi Greenberg
             
       
           
            
                                                        

                                  
                 
     
                                                                                                   
                                                               Such equivalency, of course, is impossible to buy.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               In 2008, after all, then-candidate Barack Obama ended up resigning his membership in his church over his pastor Jeremiah Wright's inflammatory remarks, which were mild compared to what Bannon published every day on Breitbart: He didn't bring Wright into his campaign, and he certainly didn't give him a top job at the White House. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               Groups like the ADL, for whom standing against anti-Semitism trumps getting along with the powers-that-be, certainly won't buy it. The ADL was the first – and so far the only – major U.S. Jewish organization to denounce Bannon's appointment.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               If violence against minorities continues to mount, and a Bannon-strategized White House continues to dismiss, ignore or in any way encourage it – the Jewish grass roots, particularly young Jews, won't stay silent when Jewish organizations and Israeli leaders "normalize" President Donald Trump with the usual "warm and productive" meetings and photo-ops that characterize the opening days of a presidency.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                               Think seas were stormy for Jews and Israel during the Obama-Netanyahu struggle over the Iran deal? We ain't seen nothing yet
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/.premium-1.753104?utm_content=%24sections%2F1.753104&utm_medium=email&utm_source=smartfocus&utm_campaign=%24segmentId&utm_term=20161114-17%3A11

[sid waddell]

I think what he's saying is these concerns are concerns that are honestly held. And instead of telling them they are stupid concerns, the democrats should have tried to address them. Telling them they are redneck hicks didn't work out so well.

How do you "address" the woman who doesn't like gay marriage or the White House celebration of it?

How do you address the concerns about illegal immigrants overwhelming the country's social services?

How do you address the people who think Obama is a foreign born Muslim or that the BLS is making up job statistics?

How do you address the Jade Helm people or those who think the Confederate flag is a righteous symbol or climate change is a hoax?

How do you do all that when have the other party and their nominee telling them their fears are well founded and doing all they can to foment and exploit them?

The "war on Christmas" will be starting in a week or two. What's the appropriate response to that?

You talk to them. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean you ridicule them from a position where you believe they are too stupid to be taken seriously. You have to show them there is another way to protect them than banning all muslims, or building walls.

It's a very silly error to just discount the worries because you can't be bothered to try and talk to them. Show them the alternative view. Show them why they have nothing to fear. Obviously that wasn't done well enough.

AZ, Nazis have to be destroyed. That is the lesson of WW2.

And agan.....that is the issue.....if you disagree with the elite of the Democratic Party you are NOT a Nazi.

If you guys keep it up, youre going to get completely wiped out in the mid terms in 2 years time

The alt-right and even the not so alt-right are quite adept at throwing the Nazi slurs around, just see their constant references to feminists as "feminazis".

"Fascist liberals" is another one they love to throw around.

Yet when quite legitimate comparisons are made between how Donald Trump ran his campaign and what happened in the 1930s, you know, the vilification of an entire religion, the rhetoric about rounding up 11 million people and expelling them, the "lock her up" chants, the "you're going to jail" rhetoric and all that, it's somehow illegitimate.

Go figure.

[whitey]

I think what he's saying is these concerns are concerns that are honestly held. And instead of telling them they are stupid concerns, the democrats should have tried to address them. Telling them they are redneck hicks didn't work out so well.

How do you "address" the woman who doesn't like gay marriage or the White House celebration of it?

How do you address the concerns about illegal immigrants overwhelming the country's social services?

How do you address the people who think Obama is a foreign born Muslim or that the BLS is making up job statistics?

How do you address the Jade Helm people or those who think the Confederate flag is a righteous symbol or climate change is a hoax?

How do you do all that when have the other party and their nominee telling them their fears are well founded and doing all they can to foment and exploit them?

The "war on Christmas" will be starting in a week or two. What's the appropriate response to that?

You talk to them. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean you ridicule them from a position where you believe they are too stupid to be taken seriously. You have to show them there is another way to protect them than banning all muslims, or building walls.

It's a very silly error to just discount the worries because you can't be bothered to try and talk to them. Show them the alternative view. Show them why they have nothing to fear. Obviously that wasn't done well enough.

AZ, Nazis have to be destroyed. That is the lesson of WW2.

And agan.....that is the issue.....if you disagree with the elite of the Democratic Party you are NOT a Nazi.

If you guys keep it up, youre going to get completely wiped out in the mid terms in 2 years time

The alt-right and even the not so alt-right are quite adept at throwing the Nazi slurs around, just see their constant references to feminists as "feminazis".

"Fascist liberals" is another one they love to throw around.

Yet when quite legitimate comparisons are made between how Donald Trump ran his campaign and what happened in the 1930s, you know, the vilification of an entire religion, the rhetoric about rounding up 11 million people and expelling them, the "lock her up" chants, the "you're going to jail" rhetoric and all that, it's somehow illegitimate.

Go figure.

Again youre missing the point...the Democrats are unjustly applying these labels to their own supporters whenever they have the audacity to disagree with the elites on issues such as transgender bathrooms, Obamacare or homeland security.  Thats what cost them the election....the counties in swing states that switched from Blue to Red.  As the guy in the Eire Pub said....."people are sick and tired of being talked down to". (I was actually in there for a couple of pints just last month)

[sid waddell]

I think what he's saying is these concerns are concerns that are honestly held. And instead of telling them they are stupid concerns, the democrats should have tried to address them. Telling them they are redneck hicks didn't work out so well.

How do you "address" the woman who doesn't like gay marriage or the White House celebration of it?

How do you address the concerns about illegal immigrants overwhelming the country's social services?

How do you address the people who think Obama is a foreign born Muslim or that the BLS is making up job statistics?

How do you address the Jade Helm people or those who think the Confederate flag is a righteous symbol or climate change is a hoax?

How do you do all that when have the other party and their nominee telling them their fears are well founded and doing all they can to foment and exploit them?

The "war on Christmas" will be starting in a week or two. What's the appropriate response to that?

You talk to them. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean you ridicule them from a position where you believe they are too stupid to be taken seriously. You have to show them there is another way to protect them than banning all muslims, or building walls.

It's a very silly error to just discount the worries because you can't be bothered to try and talk to them. Show them the alternative view. Show them why they have nothing to fear. Obviously that wasn't done well enough.

AZ, Nazis have to be destroyed. That is the lesson of WW2.

And agan.....that is the issue.....if you disagree with the elite of the Democratic Party you are NOT a Nazi.

If you guys keep it up, youre going to get completely wiped out in the mid terms in 2 years time

The alt-right and even the not so alt-right are quite adept at throwing the Nazi slurs around, just see their constant references to feminists as "feminazis".

"Fascist liberals" is another one they love to throw around.

Yet when quite legitimate comparisons are made between how Donald Trump ran his campaign and what happened in the 1930s, you know, the vilification of an entire religion, the rhetoric about rounding up 11 million people and expelling them, the "lock her up" chants, the "you're going to jail" rhetoric and all that, it's somehow illegitimate.

Go figure.

Again youre missing the point...the Democrats are unjustly applying these labels to their own supporters whenever they have the audacity to disagree with the elites on issues such as transgender bathrooms, Obamacare or homeland security.  Thats what cost them the election....the counties in swing states that switched from Blue to Red.  As the guy in the Eire Pub said....."people are sick and tired of being talked down to". (I was actually in there for a couple of pints just last month)

I'm not missing the point.

Right-wingers have been talking down to people for generations.

Donald Trump has talked down to women, Mexicans, Muslims, blacks, disabled people, even his own voters.

It would be interesting to see what those on the right who say "people are being talked down to" would have said about people who spoke out against the fascist movements of the 1930s.

I guess they would have classed them as politically correct liberal elites too.

It'll be interesting to see how long those who parrot the anti-political correctness nonsense can keep up the facade this time.

[whitey]

Disagree with me all you want.....if the Democrats continue to unjustly demonize their own supporters they will continue to lose elections....which is just fine by me

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/opinion/election-night-2016/stop-shaming-trump-supporters

[Gmac]

A lot of people calling for Keith Ellison to be new chair of the dnc if I were Jewish in America I would be more worried about him than bannon . White supremacists have a vote the same as anyone else and who do u think they would vote for but to think the country is full of nazis is miles off .a few nuts here and there.

[sid waddell]

A lot of people calling for Keith Ellison to be new chair of the dnc if I were Jewish in America I would be more worried about him than bannon . White supremacists have a vote the same as anyone else and who do u think they would vote for but to think the country is full of nazis is miles off .a few nuts here and there.

What's the old Edmund Burke quote?

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Ah, the old tactic of deliberately confusing criticising the Israeli government with anti-semitism.

Real anti-semitism is the type of abuse journalist Peter Beinart has been receiving and the type of shit Steve Bannon did at Breitbart. I've no time politically for Bill Kristol but labelling him as a "Renegade Jew", well I know what anti-semitism is when I see it.

Bannon's ex-wife has testified in court that Bannon has "said he doesn't like Jews" and didn't want his children to go to school with Jews.

[whitey]

68 % of Jews voted for Hillary.....do you think he gives a $hit if they're offended by Bannon

Tighten your seat belts my friends

[muppet]

A lot of people calling for Keith Ellison to be new chair of the dnc if I were Jewish in America I would be more worried about him than bannon . White supremacists have a vote the same as anyone else and who do u think they would vote for but to think the country is full of nazis is miles off .a few nuts here and there.

You're in good company Whitey. 

As for the lads wondering who Trump declares war on...

My money is on Pakistan. I wonder how many would die in that conflict?

Thank you for your service....

[sid waddell]

https://twitter.com/AP/status/798332268884488192?lang=en

BREAKING: AP source: Rudy Giuliani the favorite to be Trump's secretary of state.

[muppet]

https://twitter.com/AP/status/798332268884488192?lang=en

BREAKING: AP source: Rudy Giuliani the favorite to be Trump's secretary of state.

Wow!

I'd expect incarcerations to go through the roof.

a) watch 13th on Netflix;
b) All hail the Trump;
c) All of my opinions and political leanings can now be derived from b);

[dec]

https://twitter.com/AP/status/798332268884488192?lang=en

BREAKING: AP source: Rudy Giuliani the favorite to be Trump's secretary of state.

Wow!

I'd expect incarcerations to go through the roof.

a) watch 13th on Netflix;
b) All hail the Trump;
c) All of my opinions and political leanings can now be derived from b);

Secretary of State is the US Foreign minister.