The Many Faces of US Politics...

[Hardy]

Thinking about this more, we have lived for the last few decades in the post Soviet Union era. Countries in Eastern Europe left the USSR, joined the EU and even joined NATO.

Along with the UN, the latter 2 organisations were created to prevent another World War. And they succeeded.

Now the UN is redundant, Britain has pulled the plug on the EU, while the US has elected a President who wants to scale down NATO and appears to be under the influence of a particularly menacing Russian dictator.

Yesterday may look, to future historians, as the inexplicable end to a great era.

You are an absolute tool, even you don't believe the President elect is 'under the influence' of anyone let alone that Russian kn**ker!

If you don't believe the shite you spew say fack all you ass hat!

Stew, I think your heart is usually in the right place, but do you not see that contributions like this just make you seem the same as the "lock her up!", "Trump that bitch!" morons whose representative now holds the future of the world in his tiny hands?

[Hardy]

The dispossessed weren't enough for a majority. He had to add to them . With dog whistles like misogyny and hatred. He won't be able to put the genie back in the bottle.

Maybe this is the point about Clinton being the wrong candidate. What if it had been Bernie countering Trump's appeal to the dispossessed? His appeal probably would not have consisted of stoking up fear and hatred and engendering competition and loathing between minorities. It might have embodied policies that would address the capitalisation of profits at the expense of wages and the re-balancing of the positive benefits of globalisation towards working people and away from the 1%.

He too would still have needed to add to this constituency to win, but his additions would have come from a constituency that values equality, opportunity, openness and growth for all, rather than the one that's comfortable with promoting fear, hatred, racism, misogyny and xenophobia.

[Syferus]

The electoral college system favours the Democrats more than the Republicans.

The fact is the states Clinton lost like Michigan and PA are mainly blue states and it's always the Republican chasing the Democrat in them. It's a nice play thing for people who can't get over Trump winning but even it was working against a Trump victory.

He won against a system that made his path to victory very hard, without real support from his nominal party and by spending far less than Clinton. Anyone who thinks he didn't win this one fairly is talking nonsense to be honest. We can argue the methods he used but it's moot now.

[Franko]

The dispossessed weren't enough for a majority. He had to add to them . With dog whistles like misogyny and hatred. He won't be able to put the genie back in the bottle.

Maybe this is the point about Clinton being the wrong candidate. What if it had been Bernie countering Trump's appeal to the dispossessed? His appeal probably would not have consisted of stoking up fear and hatred and engendering competition and loathing between minorities. It might have embodied policies that would address the capitalisation of profits at the expense of wages and the re-balancing of the positive benefits of globalisation towards working people and away from the 1%.

He too would still have needed to add to this constituency to win, but his additions would have come from a constituency that values equality, opportunity, openness and growth for all, rather than the one that's comfortable with promoting fear, hatred, racism, misogyny and xenophobia.

+1 - Said it here before - I think Sanders would have wiped the floor with him.

Rightly or wrongly, nobody trusted Hillary and she came across as a sneaky operator.  If Bernie had told the people he was going to do something, they'd have believed him.  Unfortunately for Hillary, the people reckoned she'd talk the big talk but once she got into the big house, it'd be 4 years of the same.  They were probably right.  I don't know if they're going to much like the 4 years of change that they plumped for instead though.

[Hardy]

The thing is, Clinton didn't even talk the talk effectively. It was going to be hard enough to overcome her credibility deficit anyway, but when she seemed to run whole campaign in reaction to Trump she damaged her chances of overcoming it. I don't remember any articulation of a shining vision, of the America she stood for, or of how people's lives would change. Trump set the agenda and she spent her time saying how awful he is.

[Kickham csc]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/09/podesta-e-mail-suggested-strategy-to-elevate-long-shot-gop-candidates/

The Dems need to STFU complaining about Trump.  They only have themselves to blame

And the following section from the article explains why Bill got elected and Hillary didn't;
"During the Democratic primary, Bill Clinton privately worried to donors that Democrats had, in prioritizing outreach to minority communities, overlooked lower-income white Americans, who had yet to see any of the economic relief that should have come with Obama's promises of "change."

She needed to identify issues that were important across interest groups and communicate her solution, for example, making US manufacturing more competitive and growing the manufacturing sector, pay increases for the low / middle income families, better education etc.

If she'd done that, she would have won  hands down

[stew]

So liberals are offering counseling and puppies to cuddle by universities now in the States, wtf? What a gaggle of pansies.

The liberal press have been found wanting, they are so corrupt they reek, I would say Trump will have a few tetchy pressers during his tenure with these people,should be fun,

[J70]

Trump knew how to get airtime better than anyone. A celebrity president for a celebrity obsessed age. These protests are incredibly childish and serve no purpose.

I agree absolutely on the protests. Childish waste of time.

Now is the time to get politically active. Get involved and support non-profits for whatever cause concerns you. Tie the Trump admin up in court when they try to make drastic, harmful changes. And work towards the next mid-terms.

[Denn Forever]

The result and the reaction of people brings the story of Chicken Lickin to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNkXQYxfIlQ

[J70]

The electoral college system favours the Democrats more than the Republicans.

The fact is the states Clinton lost like Michigan and PA are mainly blue states and it's always the Republican chasing the Democrat in them. It's a nice play thing for people who can't get over Trump winning but even it was working against a Trump victory.

He won against a system that made his path to victory very hard, without real support from his nominal party and by spending far less than Clinton. Anyone who thinks he didn't win this one fairly is talking nonsense to be honest. We can argue the methods he used but it's moot now.

Is anyone suggesting he DIDN'T win it fairly?

Clinton blew this. I'm horrified that Trump will be president, with all that entails, but I've no personal sympathy for Hillary. All her negative press was self-inflicted.

Yes, the leaks were a one-sided, partisan affair, and some day the shoe will be on the other foot showing that the GOP are up to the same antics ( wouldn't be surprised if they start once Trump is installed), but the whole email fiasco and the blurred lines between her government work and the Clinton Foundation were her own creations.

[screenexile]

The poor little lambs!

Mealey mouthed liberals worrying because big bad Donald is coming to town is laughable, these sheep deserve what they think is coming

Thanks for the considered response stew. Said lawyer in my message is of middle eastern parentage and in the last 3 weeks has been followed on numerous occasions on a public road in Boston and called a sand jockey and nigger bitch and go back home we don't want you here. Has reported it to the police but guess what - no response.
A friend's mexican restaurant in Mass was picketed by trump supporters saying we don't want you here and chanting you're going to pay for the wall and again the police authorities refused to act on their complaints. 
So I think they have good reason to be concerned don't you?

Jews are getting a lot of abuse too. #charming

Just like the UK Hate Crimes will sky rocket... but she's not in so it's all OK we'll have our Country back.

Not a good time to be an ethnic minority or immigrant in the US!

[dec]

The electoral college system favours the Democrats more than the Republicans.

Bush beat Gore in the Electoral college while getting less votes than Gore.
Trump beat Clinton in the Electoral college while getting less votes than Clinton.

Could you explain why you think the electoral college system favours the Democrats more than the Republicans?

[J70]

So liberals are offering counseling and puppies to cuddle by universities now in the States, wtf? What a gaggle of pansies.

The liberal press have been found wanting, they are so corrupt they reek, I would say Trump will have a few tetchy pressers during his tenure with these people,should be fun,

What nonsense are you on about with the puppy shite?

And seriously, you're singling out liberal journalists??

[J70]

The electoral college system favours the Democrats more than the Republicans.

Bush beat Gore in the Electoral college while getting less votes than Gore.
Trump beat Clinton in the Electoral college while getting less votes than Clinton.

Could you explain why you think the electoral college system favours the Democrats more than the Republicans?

Add in that, in general, rural votes carry more weight than urban votes. Those wide open western states get a minimum of three electoral votes, no matter how sparse their population.

[seafoid]

The Dem superdelegate system is a stitch up..Clinton would not have won without it. Bernie v Trump would have been fair. But it was Clintons turn. A bit like FF and Cowen.

Probably not a bad election to lose cos the Empire is collapsing.  Trump has to serve the people. And he can't.  The ultra rich own 50% of everything and people cant eat lies.