The Many Faces of US Politics...

[J70]

Trump may not be a conservative Stew, but he is certainly a Republican - in fact, he is the presumptive Republican nominee (I only use presumptive because it is looking like he is going to face a big problem at the convention) and a clear majority of Republican primary voters elected him.

It is getting less and less plausible for you to compare the moral worth of a flawed* but experienced career politician and the gibbering, racist id of a party that has slipped into a chasm of paranoia, denial and ugliness. It stopped being pleasant a long time ago.

(Hillary is flawed IMHO because of her foreign policy and her support for the Iraq war. However it should be emphasized, that no matter how much it is claimed by Republicans, she has never been found guilty of corruption, fraud, treason, murder or whatever the scandal du jour is - despite multiple investigations)

But that only further proves her deviousness and corruption. Of course she gets away with everything! Just like Obama REALLY IS a Kenyan- born communist, fascist, America-hating Muslim! 

In all seriousness though, Hillary IS very flawed and entitled. The whole email thing is completely self-inflicted and could still derail her campaign or even be a big distraction for her presidency. It's maddening as f**k.

But... In no way is she as a candidate in any way comparable to the freak show that is Trump. One can be comfortable, whether you are for or against her, in that you know you will get a mainstream, pragmatic, liberal-leaning presidency. Nothing groundbreaking or seismic shifting or whatever other cliche you want to throw at it. Trump...??

[omaghjoe]

TBF to the Republican party it has been headed up by the neocons for years and has more or less on the whole persued the neocon political philosophy during that time, which is very clear what it is, wether you like it or not and it looks nothing like Trumpism.

Although they have let certain section of their party beat their own drum and walk their own path to an extent in the full knowledge that being associated with popluist nonsense would deliver them voters and power.

But now it has really come home home to roost for the neocons, all the things that that they allowed to float around for years but never really supported have been bundled up in a nice little crazy package that is Donald Trump, he really is their worst nightmare.

[seafoid]

Trump may not be a conservative Stew, but he is certainly a Republican - in fact, he is the presumptive Republican nominee (I only use presumptive because it is looking like he is going to face a big problem at the convention) and a clear majority of Republican primary voters elected him.

It is getting less and less plausible for you to compare the moral worth of a flawed* but experienced career politician and the gibbering, racist id of a party that has slipped into a chasm of paranoia, denial and ugliness. It stopped being pleasant a long time ago.

(Hillary is flawed IMHO because of her foreign policy and her support for the Iraq war. However it should be emphasized, that no matter how much it is claimed by Republicans, she has never been found guilty of corruption, fraud, treason, murder or whatever the scandal du jour is - despite multiple investigations)

He is not a Republican. He doesn't follow GOP doctrine. He is an outsider who beat the GOP field and he scares the bejaysus out of the GOP leadership who thought Jeb would run.

[seafoid]

And in some more good news:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/19/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-election-race-obama-surrogate

And also

http://wapo.st/2009qZI

It turns out that the way you win a nomination is very very very different from how you win an election. Currently trump running for president is likely to cause 2 very significant outcomes for US politics;
1. Democratic control of the Senate and Congress, with a Democrat for president, which would lead to supreme  Court legacy as well as significant immediate changes in US policy

2. A split in the Republican party which could take 10 years to fix, even with Koch brothers money, and that will be to a 10 year younger voting population, which is currently moving more and more socialist by the year.

Interesting times ahead.

younger people and minorities get nothing from the status quo so will not vote GOP.  Romney wrote a report on this after 2012. The GOP in its present form has no future.

[J70]

TBF to the Republican party it has been headed up by the neocons for years and has more or less on the whole persued the neocon political philosophy during that time, which is very clear what it is, wether you like it or not and it looks nothing like Trumpism.

Although they have let certain section of their party beat their own drum and walk their own path to an extent in the full knowledge that being associated with popluist nonsense would deliver them voters and power.

But now it has really come home home to roost for the neocons, all the things that that they allowed to float around for years but never really supported have been bundled up in a nice little crazy package that is Donald Trump, he really is their worst nightmare.

They may have paid these people lip service in actual legislative practice, but they fomented and exploited the unrest for years to get the vote out. Prime example being gay marriage in 2004. Yes, Trump may be anti-free trade, but almost everything else he espouses has been standard, white conservative resentment fodder for a long time.

[J70]

Trump may not be a conservative Stew, but he is certainly a Republican - in fact, he is the presumptive Republican nominee (I only use presumptive because it is looking like he is going to face a big problem at the convention) and a clear majority of Republican primary voters elected him.

It is getting less and less plausible for you to compare the moral worth of a flawed* but experienced career politician and the gibbering, racist id of a party that has slipped into a chasm of paranoia, denial and ugliness. It stopped being pleasant a long time ago.

(Hillary is flawed IMHO because of her foreign policy and her support for the Iraq war. However it should be emphasized, that no matter how much it is claimed by Republicans, she has never been found guilty of corruption, fraud, treason, murder or whatever the scandal du jour is - despite multiple investigations)

He is not a Republican. He doesn't follow GOP doctrine. He is an outsider who beat the GOP field and he scares the bejaysus out of the GOP leadership who thought Jeb would run.

He is not a mainstream establishment fiscal Republican (on trade at least), but his rhetoric is very much part and parcel of the paranoid, conspiratorial, resentment wing of the party i.e. their talk radio enthusiast primary base.

[heganboy]

Shocking news: Senate rejects 4 gun control bills today

Political news. Last month Donald Drumpf raised a grand total of 3.1 million dollars and has 1.3M cash in hand.  Clinton raised 42m.

Comedy news: of that 1.3M, the Donald  paid himself 420 grand last month by renting his own house to the campaign....

[seafoid]

Trump may not be a conservative Stew, but he is certainly a Republican - in fact, he is the presumptive Republican nominee (I only use presumptive because it is looking like he is going to face a big problem at the convention) and a clear majority of Republican primary voters elected him.

It is getting less and less plausible for you to compare the moral worth of a flawed* but experienced career politician and the gibbering, racist id of a party that has slipped into a chasm of paranoia, denial and ugliness. It stopped being pleasant a long time ago.

(Hillary is flawed IMHO because of her foreign policy and her support for the Iraq war. However it should be emphasized, that no matter how much it is claimed by Republicans, she has never been found guilty of corruption, fraud, treason, murder or whatever the scandal du jour is - despite multiple investigations)

He is not a Republican. He doesn't follow GOP doctrine. He is an outsider who beat the GOP field and he scares the bejaysus out of the GOP leadership who thought Jeb would run.

He is not a mainstream establishment fiscal Republican (on trade at least), but his rhetoric is very much part and parcel of the paranoid, conspiratorial, resentment wing of the party i.e. their talk radio enthusiast primary base.

He is not doctrinal on fiscal or culture issues. He doesn't have a problem with trans bathrooms or gay marriage. He is a maverick and a demagogue straight out of the 30s. The GOP doesn't know what to do.

[LeoMc]

This could just as easilty go into the wtf section.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36582770
He 'was planning to kill Trump for a year' but only went to a range yesterday to learn to shoot and then he tried to steal a gun at the rally.
I wonder what went into the other 364 days of planning.

[stew]

I see two government whistleblowers are claiming Obama wanted the names of potential Muslim terrorists in the states who were being watched, this ballix is deliberately ducking up, why would that be.

[J70]

I see two government whistleblowers are claiming Obama wanted the names of potential Muslim terrorists in the states who were being watched, this ballix is deliberately ducking up, why would that be.

"Ducking up"??

[DuffleKing]

I see two government whistleblowers are claiming Obama wanted the names of potential Muslim terrorists in the states who were being watched, this ballix is deliberately ducking up, why would that be.

I may be a bit slow but I can't decifer what you're trying to state or infer here stew?

[Gabriel_Hurl]

Obama wants to know their names so he can harbour them from getting caught.

[heganboy]

What's the thinking here, he will call them and invite them all to stay in the white house for sanctuary?

[screenexile]

I see two government whistleblowers are claiming Obama wanted the names of potential Muslim terrorists in the states who were being watched, this ballix is deliberately ducking up, why would that be.

Ducking idiot!