The Many Faces of US Politics...

[seafoid]

Whitey it's not class envy. The richest 1% have destroyed the US economy . Only way to fix things is to redistribute wealth

I'll agree to disagree

We've had a Dem in the White House for 16/24 prior years. If it was that simple, why didn't they fix it

Cos of campaign finance but mostly because you need serious power to shift the economy and the memes that drive it and the Dems did not have a constituency to do that. Plus they are as corrupt as the GOP anyway

•   "No matter how well-written or delivered, a speech cannot divert whole societies from a well-established course of action. Policies in motion tend to remain in motion; to change the trajectory of a deeply-entrenched set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal momentum. "
 

[DuffleKing]

That's a no then. 

Believe whatever you want my friend....

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429874/ge-leaves-connecticut-boston-blame-taxes

I generally believe in presentable facts and the application of logic. In that spirit, can you explain to me what that link has specifically to do with Bernie Sanders?

[heganboy]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/donald-trump-poll-hillary-clinton-presidential-election-2016


First national polls showing the Donald ahead...

[stew]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/donald-trump-poll-hillary-clinton-presidential-election-2016


First national polls showing the Donald ahead...

Aye but Clinton is still embroiled in her race to win the dem nomination whilst Trump is able to focus on her, skewed poll but he is gaining traction.

[easytiger95]

Whitey you where trying to say that  Bernie Sanders lack of private sector experience means he will perform poorly in office.

Then you turn it into a Dem v Rep thing based on your own presumptions that more democrats are career politicians than republicans.

Firslty Bernie Sanders isnt even a proper Democrat.

Secondly even though its irrelevant I am sure you give us a break down of politicians private sector experience v party allegiance.

Thirdly once you've proved that Im sure you could give us another break down of states economic performance v their politicians political allegiance.

It should be easy enough to prove on way or the other. But I suspect that its a typical political soundbite designed to appeal to popularity as most people work in the private sector and resent the security, stability, rights and benefits of public sector workers, and are frustrated when dealing with the methodical and bureaucratic nature of public services. So when you throw all of that in together people assume that public sector workers dont have a clue how the real world works, however that is based on nothing more than a presumption of the masses. But sure its a usefull way to disparage politicians so who cares if its right or wrong

Again...this is a discussion page, therefore one expresses opinions. My opinions (in my opinion) are very well backed up by facts, even though you may interpret the facts differently than I do.

States run by career politicians (mainly, but not exclusively Democrats) have serious issues with deficits, entitlements and spending that they ignored for decades in an effort to cling to power.

In the sames way that Republicans demonize immigrants and welfare recipients, Democrats demonize high earners and big business. 

Now we have a self styled socialist, career politician, whos playing the class envy card running for office, and you think he will be all of a sudden become fiscally conservative (or at least moderate).....I just cant see it, but agiain thats just my opinion, which is about as valid as yours

Sorry Whitey, have to call BS on this.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/state-economy-ranking-q4-2015-2016-1?r=US&IR=T

This is a link for the states (including DC) economic performance in the final 2 quarters of 2015 - worst performers below

51 - West VA - Democratic Governor
50 - New Mexico - Republican Governor
49 - Oklahoma - Republican Governor
48 - Louisana - Democratic governor (but given the raging dumpster fire that was the state's finances after Jindal, you could almost mark this one red)
47 - Wyoming - Republican governor
46 - Mississippi - Republican governor
45 - Alabama - Republican governor
44 - Arkansas - Republican governor
43 - North Dakota - Republican governor
42 - Missouri - Democratic governor

Anyone else see a pattern emerging? It was the same proportion for the first two quarters of 2015 - 7 red states and 3 blue states in the bottom ten, just some different names - like Christie in NJ and Brownback in Kansas.

Being a career politician has nothing to do with poor economic performance (even though the Republicans are stuffed to the gills with careerists, much as they like to portray themselves as gallant Tea Party outsiders). Poor economic performance comes from poor choices informed by ideology of trickle down, austerity, cutting taxes and hollowing out the state. And if that ideololgy hasn't been discredited by the decline of American cities and infrastructure over the past thirty years, it should surely have been consigned to the dustbin of history after the European experience of the past ten years.

[seafoid]

Class envy is bullshit, whitely. Working class GOP voters got fed up with being shafted so the 1% could increase their wealth.  This is very, very American and happens once every 80 years or so. trump has started a process that will end up with workers taking over the system.

[stew]

Class envy is bullshit, whitely. Working class GOP voters got fed up with being shafted so the 1% could increase their wealth.  This is very, very American and happens once every 80 years or so. trump has started a process that will end up with workers taking over the system.

No chance of that happening.

The status quo will never be the same but there will be more accountability going forward.

[screenexile]

It amazes me the amount of Working Class Americans who vote Republican because they are Christian/hate the gays/advocate a pro life position when in reality the Republican screw them up the ass with their pants on!!

[muppet]

Class envy is bullshit, whitely. Working class GOP voters got fed up with being shafted so the 1% could increase their wealth.  This is very, very American and happens once every 80 years or so. trump has started a process that will end up with workers taking over the system.

Seafoid if that were happening Sanders would be running away with the election. Trump started by talking about building a wall with Mexico, he is feeding on something very different to the common good of workers.

Screenexile, I am always amazed at anyone with a net worth of less than a few million dollars voting GOP. They are experts at making issues like, for example, what toilet you use a higher priority than say earning a living, or sending your son to die abroad.

[J70]

It amazes me the amount of Working Class Americans who vote Republican because they are Christian/hate the gays/advocate a pro life position when in reality the Republican screw them up the ass with their pants on!!

The GOP bait and switch. Use gays, God and guns ( and immigrants)  to rile up the masses, then, once they vote you in, restrict your actual governing and legislation to cutting taxes and regulations to benefit your business constituency. When election time or fundraising comes around again, repeat. There have been many books and much commentary on this e.g. the Thomas Frank book What's The Matter With Kansas?

[seafoid]

It amazes me the amount of Working Class Americans who vote Republican because they are Christian/hate the gays/advocate a pro life position when in reality the Republican screw them up the ass with their pants on!!

not any more

[stew]

Killory e nailed bitches, how do you libtards live with yourselves after your hero has been proven to be a lying sack of shite.

The democrat party is in turmoil, the been needs to come out and say the reason he is still in the fight for the nomination is because she should be stuck in a penitentary.

I despise Trump but I will take him all day long over that repugnant, vile obnoxious pile of dung that is Killory.

[whitey]

Lol....I was waiting for that

Hillary rejected Bernies offer of a CA debate before the upcmng primary.  Looks like Trump is going to take up his offer.  Hillarys situation getting more and more precarious by the day

[J70]

Killory e nailed bitches, how do you libtards live with yourselves after your hero has been proven to be a lying sack of shite.

The democrat party is in turmoil, the been needs to come out and say the reason he is still in the fight for the nomination is because she should be stuck in a penitentary.

I despise Trump but I will take him all day long over that repugnant, vile obnoxious pile of dung that is Killory.

"Libtards"?

So you are going to vote for Trump after all?

[Denn Forever]

Lol....I was waiting for that

Hillary rejected Bernies offer of a CA debate before the upcmng primary.  Looks like Trump is going to take up his offer.  Hillarys situation getting more and more precarious by the day

Go bernie.  Trump will have to show if he can be statesman like,.  What channel will it be on?