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« Reply #7110 on: January 11, 2017, 11:00:38 PM »
Yeah, they'll be terrified of yet another Trump lawsuit. He never f**ks up about how he loves to sue people. Conveniently never bothered to tell you if he won the suits or not.
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« Reply #7111 on: January 11, 2017, 11:46:01 PM »


What is new is the refusal of the president to put his direct personal financial interests off the table. What is fairly new is the deep and bitter partisanship in DC and the country in general. Sure, lone GOP voices like McCain or Graham might raise concerns about something Trump is doing, but if you think Trump is going to be subject to even a small fraction of the oversight that the GOP gave to, say, Hillary Clinton, you're deluded.

Meh, that's the new birth certificate scandal as far as I care.

Oversight? It's a fecking democracy. That's how it works. Same as was here. We have a massive FG LB Gov and they also controlled the councils and the senate. FG had also the support of the richest man in Ireland. I hated that but I put up with it as that's how it was. We had our choice and we made it.

I've no time for Donald Trump, same as the next man. But I do think he is held to a different standard by the international community.

Just because YOU don't care doesn't mean it's not a concern. And what standard is he being held to that his predecessors have not?

And I'm not arguing against the GOP controlling congress and the White House. I'm saying that Trump is refusing to take the normal measures that presidents do to avoid ethical problems and conflicts of interest, and that because of the GOP control, the checks and balances to counter or examine any issues may not exist. Which makes what he is doing even more of a concern.

The birth certificate was a baseless, paranoid, conspiracy theory. This issue is merely asking that Trump do what his predecessors did and leave his personal financial and business considerations outside the door when he has to make decisions on behalf of his constituents.

I love the new found fascination with ethics and conflicts of interests........where was that same concern when the Clintons were lining their pockets?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/27/memo-shows-bill-clintons-wealth-tied-clinton-foundation/92842822/


Band wrote. I could add 500 different examples of things like this.

As I recall, you were one of the people making a big clamour over the Clintons.

So why are you not expressing concern over Trump, especially given that the risks are being flagged, and brazenly dismissed, before he's even taken office?

And do you not think Trump's circle are getting ready to cash in, just like the Clintons allegedly did, as we speak? Are the likes of Lewandowski setting up blocks from the White House for the good of their health?

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« Reply #7112 on: January 12, 2017, 12:08:37 AM »
Trump saying the media are like something out of Nazi Germany - and by association automatically calling John McCain, the FBI and the CIA "Nazis" - lolzers.  ;D

The far right really need to stop calling their opponents "Nazis" and "fascists".

Constantly throwing out the same old tired "Nazi" and "fascist" insults means they lose all meaning and people just consider you an idiot.


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« Reply #7113 on: January 12, 2017, 12:26:32 AM »
Trump saying the media are like something out of Nazi Germany - and by association automatically calling John McCain, the FBI and the CIA "Nazis" - lolzers.  ;D

The far right really need to stop calling their opponents "Nazis" and "fascists".

Constantly throwing out the same old tired "Nazi" and "fascist" insults means they lose all meaning and people just consider you an idiot.
i thought the liberals were calling trump and supporters nazis and a fascists?

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« Reply #7114 on: January 12, 2017, 12:43:14 AM »


What is new is the refusal of the president to put his direct personal financial interests off the table. What is fairly new is the deep and bitter partisanship in DC and the country in general. Sure, lone GOP voices like McCain or Graham might raise concerns about something Trump is doing, but if you think Trump is going to be subject to even a small fraction of the oversight that the GOP gave to, say, Hillary Clinton, you're deluded.

Meh, that's the new birth certificate scandal as far as I care.

Oversight? It's a fecking democracy. That's how it works. Same as was here. We have a massive FG LB Gov and they also controlled the councils and the senate. FG had also the support of the richest man in Ireland. I hated that but I put up with it as that's how it was. We had our choice and we made it.

I've no time for Donald Trump, same as the next man. But I do think he is held to a different standard by the international community.

Just because YOU don't care doesn't mean it's not a concern. And what standard is he being held to that his predecessors have not?

And I'm not arguing against the GOP controlling congress and the White House. I'm saying that Trump is refusing to take the normal measures that presidents do to avoid ethical problems and conflicts of interest, and that because of the GOP control, the checks and balances to counter or examine any issues may not exist. Which makes what he is doing even more of a concern.

The birth certificate was a baseless, paranoid, conspiracy theory. This issue is merely asking that Trump do what his predecessors did and leave his personal financial and business considerations outside the door when he has to make decisions on behalf of his constituents.

I love the new found fascination with ethics and conflicts of interests........where was that same concern when the Clintons were lining their pockets?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/27/memo-shows-bill-clintons-wealth-tied-clinton-foundation/92842822/


Band wrote. I could add 500 different examples of things like this.

As I recall, you were one of the people making a big clamour over the Clintons.

So why are you not expressing concern over Trump, especially given that the risks are being flagged, and brazenly dismissed, before he's even taken office?

And do you not think Trump's circle are getting ready to cash in, just like the Clintons allegedly did, as we speak? Are the likes of Lewandowski setting up blocks from the White House for the good of their health?

Oh I think it's disgraceful. I'm confounded by your newly found outrage......you didn't see to give a $hit when it was the Clintons

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« Reply #7115 on: January 12, 2017, 12:44:53 AM »
Trump saying the media are like something out of Nazi Germany - and by association automatically calling John McCain, the FBI and the CIA "Nazis" - lolzers.  ;D

The far right really need to stop calling their opponents "Nazis" and "fascists".

Constantly throwing out the same old tired "Nazi" and "fascist" insults means they lose all meaning and people just consider you an idiot.
i thought the liberals were calling trump and supporters nazis and a fascists?
Trump and Trump supporters rightly get called Nazis and fascists because they exhibit clear and consistent patterns of behaviour and rhetoric consistent with those ideologies, such as threatening to deport 11 million people in the biggest forced mass mobilisation of "others" since the Holocaust, banning immigration of people of a certain religion, threatening to lock up political opponents, making thinly veiled assassination threats on political opponents, widespread hate crimes after the election, vilifying disabled people, vilifying others for "taking their jobs", vilifying everybody who doesn't agree with them, really. Oh, and having an actual neo-Nazi rally in Washington in celebration of Trump's election.

What's right-wingers' excuse for calling others "Nazis" and "fascists", given that those they seek to vilify qualify for such labelling under precisely no criteria?

Laziness or just terminal stupidity?

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« Reply #7116 on: January 12, 2017, 01:00:32 AM »


What is new is the refusal of the president to put his direct personal financial interests off the table. What is fairly new is the deep and bitter partisanship in DC and the country in general. Sure, lone GOP voices like McCain or Graham might raise concerns about something Trump is doing, but if you think Trump is going to be subject to even a small fraction of the oversight that the GOP gave to, say, Hillary Clinton, you're deluded.

Meh, that's the new birth certificate scandal as far as I care.

Oversight? It's a fecking democracy. That's how it works. Same as was here. We have a massive FG LB Gov and they also controlled the councils and the senate. FG had also the support of the richest man in Ireland. I hated that but I put up with it as that's how it was. We had our choice and we made it.

I've no time for Donald Trump, same as the next man. But I do think he is held to a different standard by the international community.

Just because YOU don't care doesn't mean it's not a concern. And what standard is he being held to that his predecessors have not?

And I'm not arguing against the GOP controlling congress and the White House. I'm saying that Trump is refusing to take the normal measures that presidents do to avoid ethical problems and conflicts of interest, and that because of the GOP control, the checks and balances to counter or examine any issues may not exist. Which makes what he is doing even more of a concern.

The birth certificate was a baseless, paranoid, conspiracy theory. This issue is merely asking that Trump do what his predecessors did and leave his personal financial and business considerations outside the door when he has to make decisions on behalf of his constituents.

I love the new found fascination with ethics and conflicts of interests........where was that same concern when the Clintons were lining their pockets?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/27/memo-shows-bill-clintons-wealth-tied-clinton-foundation/92842822/


Band wrote. I could add 500 different examples of things like this.

As I recall, you were one of the people making a big clamour over the Clintons.

So why are you not expressing concern over Trump, especially given that the risks are being flagged, and brazenly dismissed, before he's even taken office?

And do you not think Trump's circle are getting ready to cash in, just like the Clintons allegedly did, as we speak? Are the likes of Lewandowski setting up blocks from the White House for the good of their health?

Oh I think it's disgraceful. I'm confounded by your newly found outrage......you didn't see to give a $hit when it was the Clintons

That's not true.

You were arguing against Clinton on the basis of corruption. I was pointing out that Trump had a very checkered history, with admissions, even boasts, of buying off of politicians, and was likely to be just as corrupt.

I've also said many times that my choice of vote was not based on ethics, as I generally assume the worst with politicians, but on policy.

Nevertheless, I don't ever recall a man yet to take power, like Trump, with so many red flags with respect to corruption and conflict of interest. 

And please quit with the "outrage" horseshit - Trump is the one who ran on a campaign of anti-corruption and "draining the swamp". Its hardly overreacting or expressing outrage to point out the bleeding obvious in a discussion of US politics.
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« Reply #7117 on: January 12, 2017, 01:08:13 AM »
How many convictions does Trump have for bribery or corruption after 40+ years doing business in some of the most corrupt (and Democratic) districts in the country

Never mind convictions ......how many times has he been brought up on charges?

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« Reply #7118 on: January 12, 2017, 05:16:24 AM »
Trump is so out of his depth. He just wants people to look at him.
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« Reply #7119 on: January 12, 2017, 08:03:05 AM »
Trump ranting about fake news. There was a candidate also called Trump who tweeted that Alicia Menendez had a sex video.
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« Reply #7120 on: January 12, 2017, 09:52:26 AM »
whoever owns buzzfeed the website that published the story about trump and hookers better have some deep pockets or excellent attorneys when the Donald comes after them , btw ithe website was started by former huffington post people and has huge investments from NBC its no wonder no one believes a word that CNN , NBC  say or publish .

There's no way buzzfeed would have posted that without all the correct disclaimers. . . if he was suing them we would have heard by now!!

Also libel in the US is very easy to skirt around which is why Trump constantly talked on his campaign about "opening up those libel laws". It'll be interested.

His behaviour at the Presser yesterday was laughable though. Yes we believe that you are in talks with Mexico about them paying for "the fence-it's not a fence, it's a wall" after it's built... good one  ;) ;)


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« Reply #7121 on: January 12, 2017, 11:11:19 AM »
How many convictions does Trump have for bribery or corruption after 40+ years doing business in some of the most corrupt (and Democratic) districts in the country

Never mind convictions ......how many times has he been brought up on charges?

How many does Clinton have?

Trump openly boasted about using donations to get his way, saying there was no one better than him to combat the practice given his expertise and experience. And that's just his own testimony.

He is plainly a believer in rich people using money to buy favours and influence in government. And now he won't do what his predecessors have done to divest of his holdings and possible conflicts of interest. He refuses to be transparent about his taxes and businesses. Doesn't take much maths to figure out where this could lead.

You said yourself it was disgraceful.

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« Reply #7122 on: January 12, 2017, 11:15:44 AM »
whoever owns buzzfeed the website that published the story about trump and hookers better have some deep pockets or excellent attorneys when the Donald comes after them , btw ithe website was started by former huffington post people and has huge investments from NBC its no wonder no one believes a word that CNN , NBC  say or publish .

There's no way buzzfeed would have posted that without all the correct disclaimers. . . if he was suing them we would have heard by now!!

Also libel in the US is very easy to skirt around which is why Trump constantly talked on his campaign about "opening up those libel laws". It'll be interested.

His behaviour at the Presser yesterday was laughable though. Yes we believe that you are in talks with Mexico about them paying for "the fence-it's not a fence, it's a wall" after it's built... good one  ;) ;)

Just last week he had new information to reveal on the Russian hacking which would cast doubt of the conclusions of the intelligence agencies. Now he admits they're involved.

Just like his detectives were discovering 'unbelievable things" on their Hawaiian birth cert hunt (still waiting for them to be revealed!).

Or the press conference his wife was going to give to address questions about her visa situation 20 years ago. Didn't happen.

It's basically anything to distract in the moment and then hope everyone forgets.

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« Reply #7123 on: January 12, 2017, 12:38:27 PM »
How many convictions does Trump have for bribery or corruption after 40+ years doing business in some of the most corrupt (and Democratic) districts in the country

Never mind convictions ......how many times has he been brought up on charges?

How many does Clinton have?

Trump openly boasted about using donations to get his way, saying there was no one better than him to combat the practice given his expertise and experience. And that's just his own testimony.

He is plainly a believer in rich people using money to buy favours and influence in government. And now he won't do what his predecessors have done to divest of his holdings and possible conflicts of interest. He refuses to be transparent about his taxes and businesses. Doesn't take much maths to figure out where this could lead.

You said yourself it was disgraceful.

So you don't have a problem with the Clintons personally enriching themselves to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars  while peddling access while Hillary was Sec of State? (

One of their closest aides and the top guy at the Clinton Foundation said in writing that there were about 500 potential conflicts of interest with the  Clinton Foundation

Dems now have their hair on fire about "potential" Trump conflicts of interest while completely ignoring "actual" conflicts of interest with the Clintons

Selective outrage at its finest

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« Reply #7124 on: January 12, 2017, 01:21:16 PM »
How many convictions does Trump have for bribery or corruption after 40+ years doing business in some of the most corrupt (and Democratic) districts in the country

Never mind convictions ......how many times has he been brought up on charges?

How many does Clinton have?

Trump openly boasted about using donations to get his way, saying there was no one better than him to combat the practice given his expertise and experience. And that's just his own testimony.

He is plainly a believer in rich people using money to buy favours and influence in government. And now he won't do what his predecessors have done to divest of his holdings and possible conflicts of interest. He refuses to be transparent about his taxes and businesses. Doesn't take much maths to figure out where this could lead.

You said yourself it was disgraceful.

So you don't have a problem with the Clintons personally enriching themselves to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars  while peddling access while Hillary was Sec of State? (

One of their closest aides and the top guy at the Clinton Foundation said in writing that there were about 500 potential conflicts of interest with the  Clinton Foundation

Dems now have their hair on fire about "potential" Trump conflicts of interest while completely ignoring "actual" conflicts of interest with the Clintons

Selective outrage at its finest

I've already explained the distinction, but you seem to be missing it. (And stop trying to put words in my mouth)

I voted for Clinton despite the allegations, given the alternative and based on policies (and there was only a choice of him or her). Their foundation had already said it would no longer accept foreign or corporate donations if she became president. While Trump had an admitted history of corrupting the political process. I didn't choose Hillary because she was less corrupt. I chose and argued for her because she by far the more palatable and serious of two poor candidates with questionable ethics and possible histories of corruption.

And given your seemingly obsessive compulsion to cry "outrage" at every post, Trump himself continually railed against "crooked Hillary", pay for play, and corruption of the Clinton Foundation. It was a decisive factor in his election.

But now, after all that, he is brazenly saying "f**k you, I'll do what I want and there's nothing you can do about it" to similar concerns about conflicts of interest. At least her foundation made pledges that conflicts of interest would be eliminated.

So it is perfectly valid to discuss that he is setting things up to potentially put his personal business over the interests of the country given that he was elected after a scorched earth campaign based partly on ridding D.C. of precisely that. It is perfectly valid that the people and press hold him to the same standard that Hillary was held to (including by him) and which helped doom her campaign.

I'm not "outraged". I expected nothing less. Those who voted for him to "drain the swamp" in the other hand...
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