The Many Faces of US Politics...

[mouview]

WI going blue!!

[Hound]

WI now dead level (near enough). 11% of vote left to count.

[Maiden1]

Trump 4/6 now.  Was 2/5 15 min ago.

[Hound]

Trump 4/6 now.  Was 2/5 15 min ago.

Yep Wisconsin has rattled the state of play. 
That gives Biden hope. Michigan looks his best other bet. AZ still not completely safe. 270-268 for Biden if he wins those 3!

There is plenty of red counties left to count in Wisconsin. Going to be really tight there it looks like.

[Maroon Manc]

We've a new favourite

[GJL]

We've a new favourite

Both at 10/11 on PP currently. What is going on? Serious swinging back and forth...

[whitey]

Has anyone checked their local bridge-I haven't heard from Sid in a while

[Hound]

We've a new favourite

Both at 10/11 on PP currently. What is going on? Serious swinging back and forth...

Everyone else has Trump slightly ahead, nobody at the this very moment has Biden favourites, but just a whisker in it.

I think they're overreacting to WI a little. All red counties left in WI, so Biden's 9k lead could easily switch again. Albeit, Biden's hope is that it is Democrat votes in those red counties that are remaining.

[LCohen]

Genuinely startled. Donald Trump has made one of the most important political speeches of the last 150 years. Who would have thought?

Less startled at the tone and content of the speech. Donald Trump is a disgrace. Calling for votes not to be counted is an attempt for USA to cease to be a democracy.

The votes need to be counted. Trump could still win if they are. This is tight.

[larryin89]

Biden 1.8 trump 2.1 at time of typing with betfair exchange.

[whitey]

Even if Joe wins, how much of a mandate does he have?

With everything going on right now any Democrat should be hammering Trump out the gate

And no Russia to blame this time.  A lot of people were conned into thinking Trump won in 2016 because of Russian interference. Anyone who's lived here as long as I have knew that was a complete cod since day 1. The current Democratic Party has limited appeal to wide swaths if the electorate

[imtommygunn]

Genuinely startled. Donald Trump has made one of the most important political speeches of the last 150 years. Who would have thought?

Less startled at the tone and content of the speech. Donald Trump is a disgrace. Calling for votes not to be counted is an attempt for USA to cease to be a democracy.

The votes need to be counted. Trump could still win if they are. This is tight.

He is an absolute maniac. He will probably win now but even if he loses he won't go easily. There'd be legal challenges left, right and centre and he might flat out refuse to go. He is a dangerous dangerous man. I don't understand the world

[Taylor]

Biden clear favourite now.

Trump obviously seen it coming 3 hours ago which was why he made the speech & was starting this nonsense.

[maddog]

Biden clear favourite now.

Trump obviously seen it coming 3 hours ago which was why he made the speech & was starting this nonsense.

About 2 hours ago it was 4/9 trump 7/4 biden now it is 4/5 Biden and Evens Trump. Can anyone explain to me why the hispanic vote in Florida would vote in numbers for Trump? Or is it a bit like working class northerners in England voting for Johnson ?

[Ed Ricketts]

Even if Joe wins, how much of a mandate does he have?

With everything going on right now any Democrat should be hammering Trump out the gate

And no Russia to blame this time.  A lot of people were conned into thinking Trump won in 2016 because of Russian interference. Anyone who's lived here as long as I have knew that was a complete cod since day 1. The current Democratic Party has limited appeal to wide swaths if the electorate

You're not far wrong.

Even if Biden scrapes through, this election has been another enormous f**k up by the Democrats. Surely they need a clear out of key people and strategists after this. Two open goal elections in a row against one of the most objectionable candidates in history and this is their best effort.

Trump is a dangerous, self-serving, gobshite who shouldn't be anywhere near any position of power. But the Democrats clearly haven't offered a satisfactorily viable alternative to the American people. Biden was an insipid, uninspiring candidate. And their campaign lacked any imagination or vision. Just being not Trump clearly wasn't good enough on its own.