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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #13980 on: January 16, 2019, 08:01:12 PM »
I guess I don’t get the nuances of your question

I would imagine Liberals would want a Democratic President to appoint Liberal judges

How is wanting a a Republican President to appoint Conservative judges an extreme view or an endorsement of Trump?

There were plenty of people on the left calling for RBG to retire early in Obama’s second term. Why did she stick around? Was she waiting for her replacement to be picked by the first woman President?

On top of that she had made blatantly political statements which should disqualify her from voting on anything to do with Trump. Maybe she could head off to New Zealand on vacation with that crew from Liverpool who just got deported. She might keep them in line

I’m not talking about the politics and hypocrisy of who does what and where or when.

I’m asking you why a conservative Supreme Court, which you support, and which has been a focus of the US right (very effectively so) for the past 35 years, should be seen as a positive for the US?

Would a left wing court be seen as positive for the US?

If Hillary has won, that’s what we would have had

So you have nothing to offer? No defense of Citizens United and the like? No defense of workplace arbitration? No defense of gerrymandering? No defense of the coming ban on access to abortion? No defense of allowing companies to opt out of having their health insurance plans cover contraception? These are all important matters on the right.

On the other hand, to name a couple, if Hillary had won, LBGTQ rights would definitely be protected.

There would be restrictions on the wanton environmental exploitation and destruction that Trump and his henhouse foxes seem determined to inflict on US public and other lands and waters.

The Supreme Court might push back on the tipping of the balance completely in favour of corporations when it comes to worker rights and protections and their ability to combine cases.

There might be some hope of some sanity on the gun front.


Citizens United my hole.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-judiciary/308686-democrats-complained-about-citizens-united-until-the-cash%3famp

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/04/02/the-democrats-campaign-finance-hypocrisy/?utm_term=.032b0bda0f18

So still nothing to say. Its all about watching the libtards squirm. Carry on...
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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #13981 on: January 16, 2019, 08:44:16 PM »
i Just have you a defense of Citizens United-from the WAPO no less

When Democrats lose....it’s money in politics to blame. Then they outraise the Republicans 2:1 and they still lose

Let me think.....ah I have it......they’re losing due to voter suppression-but somehow miracously Obama wins twice and nery a word of voter suppression

I know......it must be the Russians. Gosh darn them they, forced the Democrats to have a coronation instead of a nomination and even went so far as to plant her classified emails in Anthony Wienars laptop

Ah....that muther bleepin Electoral College.....you know it’s based on rascism and white supremacy.  Quick let’s amend the constitution


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« Reply #13982 on: January 16, 2019, 08:55:43 PM »
i Just have you a defense of Citizens United-from the WAPO no less



No you didn't. You posted articles on how the Dems are playing on the field created by Citizens United, therefore, it was the right Supreme Court decision. That's not a defense.


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« Reply #13983 on: January 16, 2019, 09:16:12 PM »
i Just have you a defense of Citizens United-from the WAPO no less



No you didn't. You posted articles on how the Dems are playing on the field created by Citizens United, therefore, it was the right Supreme Court decision. That's not a defense.

Keep twisting. Dems were against CU because they thought it gave an advantage to The Republicans. Instead it gave them an advantage. Outrage over Citizens united is a pile of utter nonsense.

Outrage outrage outrage over everything. Outrage over outrage or lack there of. Outrage over intensity and timeliness of outrage. Outrage over a dancing video. Outrage that Republicans were outraged at the outrage of a Congresswoman dancing when she was in college. Outrage over gender neutral pronouns. Outrage that I’m outraged that a man can go into a ladies bathroom. (I’m not BTW) Outraged over a Christmas tree on the stage of the nutcracker. Outrage that people aren outraged that the PTA cancelled the trip to the Nutcracker. Outrage over the enforcement of border laws. Outrage over kids in cages. Outraged that I didn’t check to see that that the kids in cages outrage was perpetrated under Obama

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« Reply #13984 on: January 16, 2019, 09:45:48 PM »
i Just have you a defense of Citizens United-from the WAPO no less



No you didn't. You posted articles on how the Dems are playing on the field created by Citizens United, therefore, it was the right Supreme Court decision. That's not a defense.

Keep twisting. Dems were against CU because they thought it gave an advantage to The Republicans. Instead it gave them an advantage. Outrage over Citizens united is a pile of utter nonsense.

Outrage outrage outrage over everything. Outrage over outrage or lack there of. Outrage over intensity and timeliness of outrage. Outrage over a dancing video. Outrage that Republicans were outraged at the outrage of a Congresswoman dancing when she was in college. Outrage over gender neutral pronouns. Outrage that I’m outraged that a man can go into a ladies bathroom. (I’m not BTW) Outraged over a Christmas tree on the stage of the nutcracker. Outrage that people aren outraged that the PTA cancelled the trip to the Nutcracker. Outrage over the enforcement of border laws. Outrage over kids in cages. Outraged that I didn’t check to see that that the kids in cages outrage was perpetrated under Obama

Still no defense of or positive support in favour of a conservative Supreme Court.

You’re spewing on about “outrage”; meanwhile your entire political outlook as espoused on this discussion board is based on your negative perception of the “ mainstream media” and supposed liberal/Democratic hypocrisy. N’er a positive word in defense of the GOP or conservative principles in general. The very epitome of the politics of grievance.

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« Reply #13985 on: January 16, 2019, 10:01:36 PM »
Why would I need to defend a Conservative Supreme Court?

Whoever wins the election gets to decide who’s on the court

I wouldn’t expect you to defend a Liberal court if Hillary had won nor would I expect my Liberal friends to Be wringing their hands or gnashing their teeth either.

Elections have consequences and after Obama’s 2 picks having a Republican pick 2/3 is no harm

I think it is a good thing if there is a balance on the court, but based on how disgracefully the Democrats behaved over Kavanaugh I think it would be great Karma if Trump stuck another conservative on the court. They now deserve to be railroaded in my opinion, because it’s clear they will stop at absolutely nothing to gain and hold power (exactly like the Republicans)


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« Reply #13986 on: January 16, 2019, 10:09:26 PM »
Why would I need to defend a Conservative Supreme Court?

Whoever wins the election gets to decide who’s on the court

I wouldn’t expect you to defend a Liberal court if Hillary had won nor would I expect my Liberal friends to Be wringing their hands or gnashing their teeth either.

Elections have consequences and after Obama’s 2 picks having a Republican pick 2/3 is no harm

I think it is a good thing if there is a balance on the court, but based on how disgracefully the Democrats behaved over Kavanaugh I think it would be great Karma if Trump stuck another conservative on the court. They now deserve to be railroaded in my opinion, because it’s clear they will stop at absolutely nothing to gain and hold power (exactly like the Republicans)



Did you think that the Republicans behaved disgracefully over Merrick Garland?

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« Reply #13987 on: January 16, 2019, 10:15:41 PM »
Why would I need to defend a Conservative Supreme Court?

Whoever wins the election gets to decide who’s on the court

I wouldn’t expect you to defend a Liberal court if Hillary had won nor would I expect my Liberal friends to Be wringing their hands or gnashing their teeth either.

Elections have consequences and after Obama’s 2 picks having a Republican pick 2/3 is no harm

I think it is a good thing if there is a balance on the court, but based on how disgracefully the Democrats behaved over Kavanaugh I think it would be great Karma if Trump stuck another conservative on the court. They now deserve to be railroaded in my opinion, because it’s clear they will stop at absolutely nothing to gain and hold power (exactly like the Republicans)



Did you think that the Republicans behaved disgracefully over Merrick Garland?

Yes....and I have said so many times on here.

I’m not a Republican. I’m a conservative who usually votes Republican but I have voted for and donated money to Democrats in the past

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« Reply #13988 on: January 16, 2019, 10:40:18 PM »
The President is elected by the “Electoral College”. It’s one of the questions on the citizenship exam if you haven’t taken it yet

Trump won the “Electoral College” vote. The system is the system
Thank you, Whitey. I'm aware of that.

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The entirety of Clinton’s popular vote victory was garnished from the state of California.
And...? California's a US state, is it not? Why should its votes be worth less than any other state?

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The whole point of the EC is that one or a small handful of states wouldn’t be able to do dominate the Presidential Election but believe whatever you want

The point of the EC was a sop to slave-owning states who had a hard time with the concept of democracy and who wanted a veto over the majority. The EC is affirmative action for rednecks. The EC, along with partisan gerrymandering, enables the tyranny of minority rule. One Wyoming voter has roughly the same voting power as four New Yorkers. How is that democratic?

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Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« Reply #13989 on: January 16, 2019, 10:59:38 PM »

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« Reply #13990 on: January 16, 2019, 11:19:39 PM »
Also the only part that you state as fact is this:


The United States success story is due to the people who inhabited it at the time.
Contrast with Mexico and Central America. Look at the fantastic societies they have built. So good they can't get out fast enough.

Pretty simple to argue with all of those "facts", like the flat Earth.

After that you start with "appears to be" , and "can't wait", both uses of language which are conditional terms and then your own speculation leading to opinion to which you are more than welcome.

So speculate away, spout away, repeat a jumble of incoherent crap that you heard from one racist fear mongering source and claim it as your own malformed opinion, but don't call it fact.

It's not some fear mongering source...it's the liberal beloved CNN.

Fact: http://longisland.news12.com/story/39763068/police-ms13-members-stabbed-classmate-in-huntington-station

Fact: https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/21/americas/mexico-bodies-bridge/index.html

I await your apology.

I know you are struggling with the concept here- but as far as your own post goes- you are now pointing to news stories that support your speculation of what may happen in the future.

The facts that you pointed to were :
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The United States success story is due to the people who inhabited it at the time.
Contrast with Mexico and Central America. Look at the fantastic societies they have built. So good they can't get out fast enough.

so again without an apology

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spout away, repeat a jumble of incoherent crap that you heard from one racist fear mongering source and claim it as your own malformed opinion, but don't call it fact.

I would say that America's success is down to immigrants, who showed initiative when deciding to leave their home country, who continued using that initiative to make it in the new country.

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« Reply #13991 on: January 17, 2019, 01:08:38 AM »
Why would I need to defend a Conservative Supreme Court?

Whoever wins the election gets to decide who’s on the court

I wouldn’t expect you to defend a Liberal court if Hillary had won nor would I expect my Liberal friends to Be wringing their hands or gnashing their teeth either.

Elections have consequences and after Obama’s 2 picks having a Republican pick 2/3 is no harm

I think it is a good thing if there is a balance on the court, but based on how disgracefully the Democrats behaved over Kavanaugh I think it would be great Karma if Trump stuck another conservative on the court. They now deserve to be railroaded in my opinion, because it’s clear they will stop at absolutely nothing to gain and hold power (exactly like the Republicans)

You don't have to defend anything if you don't want to.

I'm simply looking for a conservative opinion on why a conservative Supreme Court is a good thing. You've stated on multiple occasions how conservative Supreme Court nominations excite you and are one of the reasons you are happy Trump is there despite your otherwise overall opposition to him. Yet now you appear incapable of offering any opinion on why you would be happy, beyond the "making liberal heads explode" horseshit.

But anyway, I'll drop it.

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« Reply #13992 on: January 17, 2019, 01:32:32 AM »
An extreme court is a bad thing....whether its extreme left or extreme right

From what I have seen each side paints the others as extremists even when theyre not

FFS if you listened to Democrats in MA, Charlie Baker is an extremist

http://newtondems.org/dems/2017/9/29/charlie-baker-dont-believe-the-hype

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« Reply #13993 on: January 17, 2019, 06:57:53 AM »
An extreme court is a bad thing....whether its extreme left or extreme right

From what I have seen each side paints the others as extremists even when theyre not

FFS if you listened to Democrats in MA, Charlie Baker is an extremist

http://newtondems.org/dems/2017/9/29/charlie-baker-dont-believe-the-hype

You are a gobshite, Whitey

Trump is a project to pauperise people like you.
You bought it

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« Reply #13994 on: January 17, 2019, 03:26:07 PM »
first of all while I'm a capitalist- not a liberal.
second liberal is not the pejorative term you think it is.

I see that you are struggling with written comprehension of something that you actually put together yourself.

You believe you stated facts about the success of the US, and Central american societies. I called you out saying
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spout away, repeat a jumble of incoherent crap that you heard from one racist fear mongering source and claim it as your own malformed opinion, but don't call it fact.

you then speculated on what you see happening in the future- fine - your opinion. You then posted cnn stories backing up your speculation.

now i believe you are seeking an apology from liberals for the last two years- non sequitur
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